Monday, February 9, 2009

The Child Bride Debacle Continues

CNN's latest on infant wives. Note the salient points of this video:

- Both the 8-year-old and her mother are against this marriage.
- The marriage was a deal to settle the father's debt.
- The Muslim judge rules in favor of the 47 year old husband.
- The Saudi representative says: "We cannot say the judge is wrong".

A young girl's innocence and hope is one of the most beautiful treasures of this world. It breaks my heart that this girl's innocence and hope has been ripped away from her. Her life will be lived with a man she did not want. It sickens me that her pleas, as well as the pleas of millions of other girls, will go unheard:

"I am a child, not a woman. Please protect my childhood by law."

...all because of one man 1400 years ago.


60 comments:

Osama Abdallah said...

As'salamu Alaikum (Peace be upon you),

I just signed up on this board, and I just wanted to say that this is one of the fundamental differences between the modern-day filthy wahabies/salafies and the good Muslims.

Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/are_salafies_real.htm to read what I've written about this evil and false cult.

In Islam, a marriage is never valid until the Sheikh (minister) himself and personally asks the bride and the groom, seperately, if they agree to the marriage. Since the 8-year old girl, in this case, made it public not just to the filthy modern-day salafi sheikh, BUT TO THE ENTIRE WORLD, that she doesn't want to marry the man, then the marriage is simply invalid, AND THE FATHER, THE JUDGE AND THE NEW HUSBAND are all guilty of the crime of rape, which is punishable by death in Islam.

Have a good day,
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Osama Abdallah said...

And as to the age difference between the 48-year old man and the 8-year old girl, if you visit: www.answering-christianity.com/aisha.htm, then you'll see that Mary, the mother of your god, was 11 when she married 90-year old Joseph, and your Prophets married 100s of wives, which definitely among them were little girls as young as 8.

So your point is as fraud and silly as your man-made bible: www.answering-christianity.com/contra.htm.

Have a good day,
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Osama Abdallah said...

And in case you wonder about the girl's father's role, his only role is to REPRESENT HER in front of the Sheikh and the groom's family, and to lock his hand with the hand of the groom for the marriage. Since it would be inapproriate for the girl to do it, then a man from her side, REPRESENTING HER, does it, and no man is more approriate to represent her than her father or oldest brother, if the father wasn't around.

To the modern-day filthy wahabies/salafies, the girl is virtually her father's property. He can sell her as he pleases. They got Islam mixed with Mr. David Wood's Bible:

Exodus 21:7-11
7. "If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do.


Islam is not the Bible!

Have a good day,
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Nabeel Qureshi said...

Osama Abdallah-

Welcome to this site. I see you have not hesitated a moment to start insulting virtually everyone, Muslim and Christian alike. It's amusing to see :-)

You said: "So your point is as fraud and silly as your man-made bible". I didn't even make a point about the age difference, so how could it be fraud?

My goodness! I've never seen anyone so eager to argue :-) First insulting everyone then making up points in order to argue against them! Well, I'm glad you're here all the same.

Again, welcome Osama.
-Nabeel

Osama Abdallah said...

Nabeel,

Your intentions are clear. No need to deny them and start playing games. You tried to picture Islam as a pedophelic, enslaving and oppressing religion towards little girls. I thoroughly refuted all of this in the links I gave.

Thank you for the welcome, and I do certainly look forward to debating you on "Is the Bible the True Word of GOD Almighty?" and David Wood on "Does the Quran contain Scientific Miracles in It?"

Please get back with Pastor George on when and where in Virginia Beach the debates will take place. He said he is waiting for you.

Have a good day,
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Nabeel Qureshi said...

Osama--

It might be a good idea to discuss debates with your potential opponents before discussing them with a third party. I certainly have not agreed to debate you, though I am considering it. I will talk to Pastor George as my schedule permits.

Regarding this article, you're doing an excellent job of demonstrating how easily you confuse simple issues. I brought up forced early marriage and I focused on forced early marriage. It wouldn't have mattered if her husband was 12 years old or 47 years old; I would have written the exact same article.

This makes me wonder, Osama. I wonder if you'll be able to debate effectively when you cannot even understand what a written article says. Spoken arguments used in debates are much more difficult to grasp than written ones, yet you're having difficulties properly representing written arguments.

Continue along these lines and I'm not sure a debate with you would be productive. A productive debate only happens when both sides actually attempt to represent each other's arguments accurately.

Another indication of poor prognosis was when I clarified to you that I did not make any points about the age disparity; you displayed your unwillingness to be understanding by accusing me of "playing games". This kind of conduct does not make for good debates.

We'll see what happens - I'll be very interested to see your future comments on this site. May God bless you and may you be filled to the fullest measure with an understanding of his love.

Sincerely,
-Nabeel

Dk said...

"A productive debate only happens when both sides actually attempt to represent each other's arguments accurately. "

lol.

Which Muslim has EVER managed to ever accurately represent a Christian Belief? Osama is possibly the WORST case scenario to expect this from.

And to Osama:

Is every post going to be about the Bible? Is every post going to contain the "I have refuted you" immaturity speech?

It really gets old, your website is already filled with SH1T like this, give it a rest, it gets tiresome.

Royal Son said...

Osama,
Welcome to the room. Joseph did not marry Mary when He was 90 and she was 11. This is a commonly repeated assertion which is FALSE.

I know exactly where you got it from. The Catholic Encyclopedia. Read it again. I dare you. It says I quote "It will not be without interest to recall here, unreliable though they are, the lengthy stories concerning St. Joseph's marriage contained in the apocryphal writings. "

Nice try. Is that the quality and reliability of your apologetics?

Royal Son said...

Here's a fuller quote to get the context:

"It will not be without interest to recall here, unreliable though they are, the lengthy stories concerning St. Joseph's marriage contained in the apocryphal writings. When forty years of age, Joseph married a woman called Melcha or Escha by some, Salome by others; they lived forty-nine years together and had six children, two daughters and four sons, the youngest of whom was James (the Less, "the Lord's brother"). A year after his wife's death, as the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age. Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates; a miracle manifested the choice God had made of Joseph, and two years later the Annunciation took place. These dreams, as St. Jerome styles them, from which many a Christian artist has drawn his inspiration (see, for instance, Raphael's "Espousals of the Virgin"), are void of authority; they nevertheless acquired in the course of ages some popularity; in them some ecclesiastical writers sought the answer to the well-known difficulty arising from the mention in the Gospel of "the Lord's brothers"; from them also popular credulity has, contrary to all probability, as well as to the tradition witnessed by old works of art, retained the belief that St. Joseph was an old man at the time of marriage with the Mother of God. "

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Osama Abdallah said...

DK,

Are you that same clown that was transfering messages between me and Sam Shamoun back and forth on paltalk? The same clown that ran with his tail between his legs from my room on the topic of Salah (Prayers) in Islam?

Just wondering.

Osama

Osama Abdallah said...

His name was DK...(something).

Royal Son said...

Osama, thank you for your kind words. I quote you:

"Royal Son, it's funny how now you're denying your own sources, but you accept David Wood's most ridiculous sources when he brings them up against Islam."

That's interesting. Could you provide the quotation of the post(s) indicating which sources I endorsed from David Wood?

Regarding the catholic encyclopedia citation I provided, are you willing to concede that your initial assertion was based on misreading the information and/or overlooking the obvious fact that there is no credible reason to believe the claim as anything close to reliable?

Khayyam said...

salam,

Br Osama,

now watch and see chrstians will be screaming, ...

"but but but that is a Cathilic source... we dont belive that..."

during those times, people (girls esp) married young....

Royal Son said...

Osama, you wrote:

"Did I not also mention the Bible's Prophets that married 100s of wives? Are you really going to honestly tell us here that none of these brides was as young as 8?"

It is no news to me sir that prophets of old married hundreds of wives. I would call that sin. That's the difference between you and I. I can call a spade a spade, but you can't say anything against your prophet Mohammed, because your religion does not permit you to do so.

As for your assertion that any of them were of the age of 8, that is mere conjecture. If any of the prophets did so, I would strongly condemn such things. Could you do the same thing with your prophet sir?

Let me know when you find biblical evidence to support your assertions however, this should be interesting.

Royal Son said...

Khayyam, thank you for your comments. Please allow me to quote what you said:

"salam,

Br Osama,

now watch and see chrstians will be screaming, ...

"but but but that is a Cathilic source... we dont belive that..."

during those times, people (girls esp) married young...."

Actually sir, if you actually read through my posts again, you will clearly see the reasons why I reject the notion that Joseph married Mary at the age of 90, while she was 11.

But before I enumerate these for you, I do find it curious that fellow muslims such as yourself would attempt to attribute such things to Mary the mother of Jesus and her husband, Joseph. According to Islam, are you not to respect the mother of your prophet, Isa?

Therefore, you can believe that Joseph was 90 and Mary was 11 if you want. You can slander Isa and his mother if that is what you want. You can take sources no matter how unreliable and rub Jesus' parent's names in the mud if that is what you want. I however, prefer to deal with such matters in a more respectful and careful manner.

The quote itself mentions that these are "unreliable stories" contained in apocryphal writings. Notice, The Catholic Church itself is saying that these stories are unreliable, not just non-Catholics like myself.

Jerome refers to these stories as dreams, being void of authority and contrary to all probability.

That is what the Catholic Encyclopedia is saying sir. So no, I'm not rejecting the notion simply because the out-of-context quote is taken from the Catholic Encyclopedia, but rather because even that Encyclopedia itself doesn't believe in it. So if neither the Catholics, nor non-catholics, nor Jerome himself believed these to be true, upon what basis sir should we even begin to entertain the idea that they have any degree of plausibility?

Royal Son said...

Khayyam, I couldn't let this comment of yours slip by:

"during those times, people (girls esp) married young...."

Are you suggesting sir, that moral behavior depends upon culture?

Are you sure you really want to go down that path? Because I can tell you right now, you are going to find yourself trying to defend a notion that is absurd. I'll give you a chance to help yourself by admitting that it's not where you want to go with this.

Fernando said...

Osama Abdallah and other muslims in this blog said: «Mary was 11 when she married 90-year old Joseph»...

really? Where in any christian source is thate said? And in any case God didn't had sex with Marie...

And if Mary had a child (waht is more difficultt: creating everytjingue from nothingue or makin an ovulos an feccunded egg?) she eas pubbescent... not pre-pubescent..

And where is it saide that Joseph was much older than Marie?

I really find it very foonie this postes:

1) muslims have a difficult in defendind in the West some abnoquecious habits they have, eben today, because they follow Muhammad's example;
2) they saie, falselie, christians did/do the same...;
3) someone presents evidences to the reallity of 1) and the falsely of 2);
4) muslims don't (trie to) understand those evidences and repeat theyre false argumentations;
5) muslims shout out lound: we wonn thise debate...

bery foonie...

Royal Son said...

Osama, I also find it interesting that you used the age of 11. The quote says 12-14. Could you at least get one detail correct?

Fernando, I agree with you completely. What gets me is that these Muslims think they're serving Allah by ridiculing Isa's mother and her husband, albeit with completely bogus claims.

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

Jews did not normally marry of young girls to older men (like they do in Islam), according to the Talmud it is a disgrace. The Song of songs makes this same claim. When a older gentleman comes to ask for a young bride, then the brothers protect her. A bit more virtuous than the parents of Aisha. The particular Gospel mentioned by the Muslims here is not even representing the general norm among the Jews, but probably a norm practised among the Gentile nations, the norm followed the Muhammad and his followers.

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

And now we are dealing with Obama. Whenever I visit Obamas' side my computer virus system alerts me about his website; anyone here who can educate me on the particular reason for such a warning?

Osama Abdallah said...

Hulk Hogan,

McAfee fixed this infidel-lie about my site containing viruses. My site is now cleared by them, and I AM SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING SUING THEM in court for falsely accusing my site for carrying viruses for almost one full year when my site was innocent.

Have a good day,
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Osama Abdallah said...

Hulk Hogan,

You're another liar. Your Talmud not only allows marriage of young girls, but it also records RAPING OF 3-YEAR OLD GIRLS after the battle of Midian. Visit: www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm

So much for your garbage about the bible not allowing marriage with young girls. Snake faces and double standards is all I am seeing here by some.

Have a good day,
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Osama Abdallah said...

The raping was condoned by your Talmud and the Bible, Hogan.

I forgot to mention that!


Osama Abdallah

ben malik said...

Osama is one of the most filthy, vile, lying, and blasphemous Muslims out there who never corrects his lies and distortions. He is worse than Nadir and, like him, wants to make a name for himsel. Listen to all his debates and you will see he loses badly. Even his own co-writers have abandoned him, such as Bassam Zawadi. In fact, here is what he wrote concering Osama:

http://www.authenticsunnah.org/ (This website contains the greatest number of articles on the web that refute false allegations against Islam. However, I do not agree or share the same views as the webmaster of authentic sunnah when it comes to basic Islamic doctrine. For example, the author's stance on the issue of hadith and how he puts them on the same level as the Law found in today's Old Testament, his approval of the september 11 attacks, his wrongful understanding of the rules behind polygamy marraige, and his wrongful understanding of the concept of execution of apostates) and other Islamic issues. Therefore, I only recommend the articles that deal with comparitive religion issues and refutations and not to learn about basic Islamic rulings and doctrine from this website. I also want to state that I previously used to write articles for this website. However, many of my old articles on the site contain errors and need much editing. I asked the author of the site, Osama Abdullah to remove my articles but he has constantly been stubborn and refused. May Allah forgive him. He knows that my articles on his site contain some errors and still continues to keep them on the site only so his site can receive higher rankings. Therefore, I declare my self innocent in the sight of Allah from the mistakes of my old articles and only ask God to judge Osama Abdullah for his stubborness in refusing to remove them.

Go here for the source- http://call-to-monotheism.com/links

Fernando said...

I'll start by sayieng to everyone that I'll use strong words... but strongue words that are needed to be saide to mister Usama who saide «Your Talmud not only allows marriage of young girls, but it also records RAPING OF 3-YEAR OLD GIRLS»...

Are you a lawier? Are you really engaged in propelling falsities? Are you reallie wanting to make a full off yorself? Have you eben read the Talmud?

The problem in that passage is to know whether a girl who has been violentellie raped by someone shoulde be considered, in the prevision of her future husband wanting to know if she was virgin (and if not he would might refuse marrie her...), as someone who conceded to loose her virginity...

would you say that a girl of 3 shoulde be acounted responsable of loosing her virginitie when she was rappede (perhaps bie some muslim who thinks it's ok to do so to prepubescent girls...)?

And where does the Talmud and the Bible (let's forget that we christians read the Ot at the light of the NT) condome the rapping? Don't redirect us to youre boggus-full site... iff we wanted that we would bie Benny Hill videos... unswer to this questions here...

And whie are you calling Hogan Elijah Hulk Hogan? Whie are you insulting people? I knowe the unser (you muslims have little or no respect to other people...) but is foonie to see you behaving like that in public... you may say all the "As'salamu Alaikum" you want, butt your words denie your sinceritie...

greetings in Christ to you...
I'll be praying for you...

Osama Abdallah said...

Sam Shamoun (ben malik),

You sound like you're about to have a heart attack.

As to me trying to build a name, not that I really care about building any name since I take on even the evil ones from the Orthodox Muslims, which proves that I am not out there to make fans, but nonetheless, I do remain, through Allah Almighty's Divine Will and Mercy, among the best defenders of Islam. It just makes you very upset to see yourself reduced to dust in www.answering-christianity.com/dumpster_section.htm from all of the FOUL FILTH that we recorded left and right on you. And of course, it goes without saying that most of your articles had been refuted at www.answering-christianity.com.

That's what's really bothering you. My site had reduced you to dust.

Get lost to Hell where you belong.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

David Wood said...

Did Osama just say that he is among the best defenders of Islam? I feel a new poll coming on.

Osama Abdallah said...

Fernando,

For GOD Almighty's Sake, before you call me a liar, visit the link I gave to read the Talmudic references for yourself:

www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm

Have a good day Fernando,
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Osama Abdallah said...

David Wood,

Here is an authentic poll for you:

www.alexa.com

Enter www.answering-christianity.com and see the rank of my site for yourself.

Osama

ben malik said...

Wow, talk about a humble man! He remains one of the best defenders of Islam! ROFL

You remain one of the most delusional, filthy-mouthed apologists whose site is now ignored by your fellow Muslims. That is why your own guys dumped you in the bin and started their own sites since they are embarrassed to be associated with you. hehehe

Care to address Bassam's allegations and prayer of judgment on you?

In the meantime you can keep dreaming since even Muhammad dreamt and then awoke thinking he was a prophet.

David Wood said...

The word I got from Muslims is that Muslims still visit Osama's site, but not for Osama's articles. They go there for other people's articles (e.g. Bassam's, Sami's, etc.), since Osama refuses to take them down.

Osama Abdallah said...

Sam Shamoun (ben malik),

Like I told David Wood, visit www.alexa.com and enter www.answering-christianity.com to see my site's high rank. Obviously, I do have thousands of fans and readers out there. If I were weak, I wouldn't have such high rank, would I?

As to me being arrogant, not at all. I am not arrogant in one bit. That is why I said through Allah Almighty's Divine Mercy and Will, and not through mine. Obviously, lying is in your blood Sam.

As to Bassam's comments, Bassam became a salafie, and he opposes 9/11. I defend 9/11. What is the big deal?

You're way too desperate Sam Shamoun. I know why you are, and you should be, because once again, my site has reduced you to dust by exposing your extremely foul mouth and also refuting most of your articles. visit: www.answering-christianity.com/dumpster_section.htm

Osama

Osama Abdallah said...

David Wood,

Very funny indeed. Bassam and Sami had been out of the site for years now. My site's rank LITERALLY DOUBLED after they left. It doubled because of the new explosive additions I added to the Scientific Miracles in the Holy Quran Section at:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

Again, visit alexa.com and stop wasting time and beating around the bush.

Osama

Osama Abdallah said...

And oh yeah, my site is still linked in both BASSAM'S AND SAMI'S SITES :-). Another silencing blow to the two of you.

David Wood said...

With that said, I have to say, "Osama, you have a site where you can throw around all the pointless insults you want, as you boast about how wonderful you are and how you've single-handedly refuted everyone on the planet. Please keep up the good work . . . on your own site. We actually try to have discussions on this site, and I'm not sure you're cut out for this sort of thing.

(Note: I'm noticing a parallel here, though. A place like Holland invites Muslims to come to their country. Muslims come, then try to take over Holland and destroy its freedoms. I invite Muslims to come on my blog and share their thoughts, and Osama starts a comment riot in an effort to bring everyone down. Is it just me, or does destruction seem to follow certain Muslims no matter where they go?)

Osama Abdallah said...

David Wood,

Where did I say that I refuted everyone on the planet?

Osama

David Wood said...

Osama said: "And oh yeah, my site is still linked in both BASSAM'S AND SAMI'S SITES :-). Another silencing blow to the two of you."

That is a valid point. Bassam complained about Osama, yet he still obviously supports Osama's site. And if we follow Sami's reasoning (i.e. "If you say you support Israel's right to exist, you're saying you agree with everything Israel has ever done"), then we must conclude that Sami and Bassam support Osama and his views.

David Wood said...

Osama said: "Where did I say that I refuted everyone on the planet?"

That seems to be your attitude. Are you against exaggeration? Your articles would seem to indicate otherwise.

David Wood said...

By the way, are you ever going to say anything of any significance, or are you simply going to keep bragging about yourself?

I feel a series of posts coming on.

Osama Abdallah said...

David Wood,

Please stop speaking because your level of intelligence in my view is rapidly shrinking. Please preserve the remaining respect that I have for you and to your intelligence.

Just what in the world is your dumb point???? www.alexa.com shows that I have 100s of thousands of readers on my site! What does this have to do with Sami and Bassam who branched out to their sites years ago, and who still link my site, even though I do not link Bassam's on my site because he became a salafi?

What is your dumb point? That www.alexa.com 's rank doesn't matter?

Osama

David Wood said...

Hmmm. I would have thought that you would have stopped insulting me when I just agreed with your point, i.e. when I said: "That is a valid point. Bassam complained about Osama, yet he still obviously supports Osama's site. And if we follow Sami's reasoning (i.e. "If you say you support Israel's right to exist, you're saying you agree with everything Israel has ever done"), then we must conclude that Sami and Bassam support Osama and his views."

But feel free to continue calling everyone dumb.

Fernando said...

Usama... I have just reread the Talmud passage in qyestion... I keep my pointe... do you?

Fernando said...

And bie the way... don't run to youre Mnthy Pitonesque boggus site... unswer the questions I posted here...

Osama Abdallah said...

Fernando,

You win :-). I lose.

David,

I am sorry, I misunderstood you.

Kind Regards,
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Javier said...

So...aside from a bombastic display of incompetence from Osama, I'm wondering if any substance will be added to these forty five comments.

Fernando said...

Usama... I don'te whant to win... I juste wante to habe a serious debate, and not a debate based on false assumptions and innacurate statements... once again: where does the bible condomn rape? Where does tha talmud say it's ok to rape 3 years old girls?

you falselie quoite Kethuboth 11b... as I sayde before... It sayis that a girl that was rapped when she was 3 can be considered a virgin to effect of marriege...

But then: the Talmud is not inspired bie God, and nowhere it sayies one should do so... do you see jews marryinf 3 years old childs as muslims do to 6 yeras girls eben nowadays following Muhammad example?

Whate the Talmud says is that «"A girl of three years and a day is [capable of being] married by an act of intercourse ...»: once again: it sayes that a women that was rapped when she was 3 years old can marrie without penalties...

More since Kidushin 12b says it's forbiden to form a marriage bonde bie intercourse, all your argument fails...

Whante more? you quote Sanhedrin 54b... it onlie says that if a men rapped is under 9 years of age he does not habe to be punished as WAS sayd in the Levitucus who said homosexual intercurses should be punished... Onca again no jew kills an homosexual because in the hierachy of God's comandments the "You shall not kill" is much more important... ebem less a Christian...

We habe seen that you muslims beliebe that in Heaben you'll habe an eternal arousal... now he see you already nabe an eternal Pinochio's nose...

I'll be praying for you Usama...

Royal Son said...

Osama, in light of the fact that you have been corrected now both with regard to your allegations that Joseph was 90 and Mary was 11 when they married, and the Talmud's teachings on marriage, would you care to pull down those pages from your site, or at the very least, update those articles to reflect a more accurate representation of the information ?

Brian said...

Muslim Scholar = OxyMoron Peace in Christ.

Osama Abdallah said...

Royal Son and the rest,

What exactly did you refute? Here is what your bible says:

Deuteronomy 20:16
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.

1 Samuel 15:2-4
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.

Psalm 137:8-9
8 O daughter of Babylon, O destroyed one, O the happiness of him who repayeth to thee thy deed, That thou hast done to us.
9 O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy sucklings on the rock!

"They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man........Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)"

Here is what the Talmud says about the history of the verses in Numbers 31:7,17-18:

Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And one can be liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating, to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer [of what lies beneath]. If she was married to a priest, she may eat food in the status of priestly rations. If one of those who are unfit for marriage with her had intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If any of those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her had intercourse with her, he is put to death on her account, but she is free of responsibility [M.Nid. 5:4].
Sanhedrin 7/55B [132]

[130] J. Neusner, The Talmud of Babylonia, vol.XX.A, Tractate Baba Qamma, Atlanta: Scholars Press 1992, 111.

[131] Ibid., vol.XXI.A-D, Tractate Bava Mesia, Atlanta: Scholars Press 1990, p.ix-x.

[132] Ibid., vol.XXIII.B, Tractate Sanhedrin 1984, 150. See also vol.XIX.A, Tractate Qiddushin 10a-b, 1992, 33. "Menstruating" here of course refers to the ritual "flux uncleanness" described in Lev.15.

[133] Ibid., vol.XXV.A, Tractate Abodah Zarah, 1991, 168. Emphasis original.

[134] J. Neusner, The Talmud of Babylonia. A complete outline, Part IV. The Division of Holy Things. B. Number 37. 1995, 704.

[135] Neusner 1993, 41.

[136] Neusner 1995, 7.

[137] Kuhn 1959, §157, 652f. My translation. In general, proselytes are not allowed to marry into the priesthood.

[138] Ibid., §157, footnote 86, 653.

There are many quotes at: www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm

So what exactly did you refute here? What's your say about this terrorism and mass killing of even suckling children?

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Osama Abdallah said...

Brian,

I see that you live in DC. You're most likely a racist red neck "trailer trash" as people call you.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

OumAmir said...

You know how some individuals who have tramatic experiences sometimes block the memories so the rest of the mind can function?


Yeah, I think I'm going to do that with Osama's posts to keep my mind from short circuiting from reading such bad reasoning.

Royal Son said...

Osama, I find it curious that you now try to start up an unrelated discussion on violence in the bible.

Since you brought it up however, I would you please describe for us here as to whether you believe the worldwide flood of Noah killed men, women and children, according to your Qur'an.

The point I was refuting you on was with regard to the quotation you pulled out of the New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia. It's as if you read a sentence and were being willfully ignorant of what the surrounding text said.

Can you please tell me why anyone should accept something described in an encyclopedia as being void of authority, contrary to all probability, dreams mentioned in apocryphal works?

I believe you are not taking the time to read my posts carefully, nor even the materials that you write to source your information.

As far as the Talmud is concerned, Christians have never consulted it as an inspired authority. The Talmud is a collection of OPINIONS of Rabbinical Scholars, albeit coming AFTER the time of the New Testament. If you want to bring up an issue with the bible, stick to the bible.

It's amazing Osama. You expect Christians to believe in "dreams" that are void of authority, and books of OPINIONS of men. Amazing. Simply amazing.

Dk said...

Osama said:

"I do remain, through Allah Almighty's Divine Will and Mercy, among the best defenders of Islam."

LOL.

Hey Best Defender of Islam:

MAYBE you should try to learn SIMPLE logical fallacies, LETS START with a NON-SEQUITOR.

"Quantity does not mean BEST." =)

Isn't that funny that one of the BEST defenders of Islam, uses a non-sequitor to support his claim? hahahah, HE probably IS the best defender of Islam afterall, since he makes the MOST logical fallacies, that is a perfect representation of Muhammad and his goons.

@David, thanks for the poll, except I kind of asked about something similar before Osama brought it up and bragged about it. oh well, guess it takes a Muslim to get things down around here =P

Osama Abdallah said...

DK,

Your bible DOES PRAISE pornography. I've listed the detailed verses at:

www.answering-christianity.com/x_rated.htm

You can also visit: www.answering-christianity.com/ac10.htm#links


My favorite verse is this: Song of Songs 8:1-3 "IF ONLY YOU WERE TO ME LIKE MY BROTHER, who was nursed at my mother's breasts! Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother's house-- she who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink [i.e., her vagina's semen!], the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me."

YOUR BIBLE NOT ONLY PROMOTES PORNOGRAPHY, but it also promotes INCESTUOUS (brothers and sisters falling in love with each others) RELATIONSHIPS.

IS THIS DIVINE REVELATION TO YOU DAN, OR SICK PORNOGRAPHY?!

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Dk said...

Osama the fact that you had to copy and paste to me the same post you gave to DAN is indeed laughable.

You even forgot to erase "dan" at the end of it, proving you are nothing more than a fraud, who wants to talk about the Bible and can't come up with anything original.

Btw, why would I care if you believe the Bible has porn? 1) I'm not defending the Bible as a source of ethics or divine guidance 2) You are not an authority to inteprete the Bible, thus your intepretation is irrelevant.

So Osama as usual on all accounts you look stupid. You also intentionally didn't even address the fallacies you made in this thread, since you CAN'T, that is clear.

Javier said...

Hey Osama another living example of incest is God impregnating Mary and then becoming the son. The son impregnates mom in a different form and comes out as a human from a vagina. that makes sense doenst it. Therefore Jesus is a M@T43RF%(K3R

Royal Son said...

Javier: I hope for your sake you will remove that comment.

El-Cid said...

Javier said: "Hey Osama another living example of incest is God impregnating Mary and then becoming the son. The son impregnates mom in a different form and comes out as a human from a vagina. that makes sense doenst it. Therefore Jesus is a M@T43RF%(K3R"

Wow! I guess only reading the Quran can cause you to make statements as silly as this. When your book says Allah doesn't have a son because he has no wife, this is the nonsense that results. Muhammad didn't understand a bit of Christianity and now neither do his followers. This is why so many Muslims think Christian believe God had sex with Mary and created Jesus.

Royal Son said: "Javier: I hope for your sake you will remove that comment."

Never forget, Royal Son,...."We Muslims love and respect Jesus, he is a great prophet of Islam"...."now please disregard the profane name I just called him".

Royal Son said...

El-Cid wrote "Never forget, Royal Son,...."We Muslims love and respect Jesus, he is a great prophet of Islam"...."now please disregard the profane name I just called him".

I guess when all of the Muslim arguments run out, cursing and blaspheming is all that's left.

It seems evidently clear to me, that Islam is fighting for its surivival and credibility.

Whatever the method, as long as it somehow brings even the remotest sense of victory, the muslim is serving Allah.

May the Muslims here who think they are serving God by carrying out such behavior, be struck by the awe and beauty of our Triune God. May God visit them as he did Saul of Tarsus on his way to Damascus. May he change the hearts of stone to hearts of flesh, cause them to repent of their sins and come humbly to receive the forgiveness of their sins through Jesus Christ our Lord.