Tuesday, February 3, 2009

Brigitte Gabriel on Her Experience with the Palestinians

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PART FIVE


PART SIX


PART SEVEN

34 comments:

karim said...

Brigitte Gabriel is professional lyer and deceiver, she has been exposed by one of our brothers in the next vid, see:

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=tBHf2DODBpE&feature=related

After seeing the above video, any honest person can see how biased this woman is and that she does not shy away from lying and twisting many facts in order to attack Muslim.

David Wood said...

I love Karim's comment (though I could have predicted it before I did the post).

Isn't this the standard pattern we've seen over and over again?

(1) Woman living in peace, with no desire to criticize Islam.

(2) Woman is confronted by Muslims who want to kill her. She lives in fear for years.

(3) Woman gets fed up and starts speaking out against Islam.

(4) Muslims condemn the woman for being an evil liar with an evil agenda.

Just to show you how common this is, compare the following:

(1) Muhammad begins preaching in Mecca.

(2) Meccans don't care.

(3) Muhammad begins condemning their beliefs.

(4) Meccans ask him to stop.

(5) Muhammad keeps condemning their beliefs.

(6) Meccans begin persecuting Muslims.

(7) Muhammad flees Mecca.

(8) Meccans are relieved.

(9) Muhammad begins attacking Meccans.

(10) Meccan's don't react.

(11) Muhammad attacks Meccans over and over again.

(12) Meccans finally defend themselves.

(13) Muslims condemn the Meccans for being evil enemies of Islam.

And here's one more:

(1) Palestinians launch missiles at Israel.

(2) Israel returns fire.

(3) Muslims condemn Israel as evil.

Is anyone noticing a pattern here, namely, that Muslims tend to start the problems, then condemn anyone who doesn't stand by idly as Islam tries to obliterate them?

David Wood said...

I think Muslims should give back Arabia to the polytheists.

karim said...

Lol, i love David's "christian missionary style" reaction, i posted a vid, in which brigitte Gabriel clearly lied on camera in fron of an audience, and more facts are presetend by the brother in the vid i posted, yet i still may not call her a "lyer" and "deceiver". But this is the typical christian missionary reaction to Muslim, you proof them something, they reject the proof, no matter if it video recorded or whatever, like Allah said they are blind for the truth.

As for your list about the history of Prophet Muhammad, it proofs how weak your knowledge of islam is. You left out the fact that the Meccans persecuted, tortured the early Muslim in Meccan, when no single Muslim had physically attacked them. Further the Meccans tried to murder our beloved Prophet Muhammad, while he himself had never used violence against them. The prophet condemned the belief of the pagans, and their ill behaviour towards the poor and mis-use of their religious beliefs for financial gains.

But i won;t cite sources or reference, since clear proof does not convince you, just as the lie of Brigitte Gabriel on video tape did not convince you that she does not shy away from lying, i can show you a black paper, but you will still deny that the paper is black in case I [ as a Muslim ] hold the paper in my hands and use it as a proof against you to show that the color of the paper in my hand is truly black .

Further as for the general claims of Brigitte Gabriel, Islam should be judged on the Qur'an and the authentic sunnah of our Prophet, and not on the actions of fundamentalist groupls like AL-Qeuda , who have deviated from true islamic teachings.

ma salama

Nakdimon said...

Dude, you are officially the master of the Metaphors!

Nakdimon said...

Heee Karim, ben jij ook Nederlander?

David Wood said...

Karim said: "You left out the fact that the Meccans persecuted, tortured the early Muslim in Meccan, when no single Muslim had physically attacked them."

Did you actually read what I wrote? Read (6) more carefully. I acknowledged that the Meccans persecuted the Muslims. I simply pointed out the fact that the Meccans were only doing it because the Muslims were condemning their beliefs.

Would Muslims give me better treatment in Mecca today? If I showed up and condemned the beliefs of the inhabitants of Mecca, would I survive there for thirteen years?

So what we have is this: It's perfectly acceptable to take people's land and never give it back. But if people take land from Muslims, they must give it back or die. It's perfectly acceptable to condemn people's religious beliefs, unless those beliefs are held by Muslims, in which case criticism will earn you a death sentence.

If I tried to invent a completely inconsistent religion, I couldn't do better than Islam. Muslims have reached the peak of inconsistency. No one else even comes close.

karim said...

Salaam Nakdimon, ik ben ook nederlander idd.

David i overlooked point 6, but I still think you forgot an important fact, since you did not mention that the Meccans tried to murder Prophet Muhammad, while he had never ever used violence against them. Further the meccans tortured the Muslims, simply because their Prophet rejected their beliefd, and demonstrated their errors and hypocrisy, i don;t think those are justified reasons for persecuting others. So you yourself already demonstrated that it were the meccans that stared the violence [ persecution , torture and murder of Muslims in early Mecca ] . Further the main goal of the Meccans was to murder the Prophet and wipe out Islam , so therefore the prophet was completely justified to fight back the Meccans.

ma salama

David Wood said...

Karim said: "Further the main goal of the Meccans was to murder the Prophet and wipe out Islam , so therefore the prophet was completely justified to fight back the Meccans."

This is just historically false. They wanted Muhammad out of Mecca. They were willing to kill him to achieve their goal, but once the Muslims had left, the Meccans were quite satisfied.

That's when Muhammad started attacking them. The Muslims attacked the Meccan caravans seven times before the Meccans reacted. It wasn't until the Muslims started killing during the holy month that the Meccans decided to fight.

Bassam said...

David said:

(8) Meccans are relieved.

(9) Muhammad begins attacking Meccans.

(10) Meccan's don't react.

(11) Muhammad attacks Meccans over and over again.

(12) Meccans finally defend themselves.

(13) Muslims condemn the Meccans for being evil enemies of Islam.


And he said:

They were willing to kill him to achieve their goal, but once the Muslims had left, the Meccans were quite satisfied.

David, why do you repeat the same old worn and torn arguments when they have already been refuted:

Did The Muslims Instigate the Battle of Badr? A Rebuttal to David Wood

David said:

(1) Palestinians launch missiles at Israel.

(2) Israel returns fire.

(3) Muslims condemn Israel as evil.


David, you don’t know politics any better than theology. Israel broke the ceasefire, you see here


Regards,

Bassam

David Wood said...

Bassam,

Do you even watch the videos you ask us to watch? Israel launched a rocket at some people who were trying to kidnap an Israeli soldier. Who started the trouble?

I get the feeling that if some Israelis were on their way to kidnap a Muslim, you would say that the Muslims have a right to defend their brother. It's too bad you're not consistent.

(BTW, I'll stop using arguments that have been refuted when they're actually refuted. Like most Muslims, you've always equated "posting some sort of reply" with "a thorough refutation." There's a difference, my friend. A big difference.)

Bassam said...

"Do you even watch the videos you ask us to watch? Israel launched a rocket at some people who were trying to kidnap an Israeli soldier. Who started the trouble?"

Ummm nooooooooooooooooooooo that is what they claimed. Those Palestinians were only digging a tunnel. Palestinians have to dig tunnels to also bring in medical supplies and food into Gaza you know. I guess you forgot that the Israeli terrorists that you adhor dont easily let medical supplies and food come in.

So where was the evidence that indeed this was the case? Mere speculation. You want to catch someone, catch him while he is committing the crime.

The Israelis broke the ceasefire, they attacked first. Full stop.

David, be a man and walk the walk and actually refute the link I posted. Walk the walk. You ran away and got refuted badly on the Quranic Preservation Topic and Rape of Slave Girls topic on your own blog, let's go for round three.

"Did the Meccans leave Muhammad alone after he made hijrah to Medina"

Walk the walk David and prove your points for once.

Regards,

Bassam

El-Cid said...

Bassam said: "Those Palestinians were only digging a tunnel. Palestinians have to dig tunnels to also bring in medical supplies and food into Gaza you know."

Wow. You are COMPLETELY out of touch with reality Bassam. They use those tunnels to smuggle in weapons and explosives.

El-Cid said...

Karim said: "Brigitte Gabriel is professional lyer and deceiver..."

I'm working on making a list of all the people Muslims keep telling me are "professional liars and deceivers", but I have to buy a bigger hard drive for my computer before I can compile it...

*adds "Gabriel, Brigitte" to the G section*

Nakdimon said...

Bassam; ”Ummm nooooooooooooooooooooo that is what they claimed. Those Palestinians were only digging a tunnel. Palestinians have to dig tunnels to also bring in medical supplies and food into Gaza you know. I guess you forgot that the Israeli terrorists that you adhor dont easily let medical supplies and food come in.

I guess that the Egyptian terrorists are in the same boat as the Israeli terrorists then, aren’t they? You act as if Israel is the only way into Gaza. Gaza is bordered with EGYPT! What is stopping them from aiding their Muslim brethren with food and medication?

This is clear proof of what I said in the other blog. Those Muslim nations pretend to care about the “Palestinians” but in reality, they just hate Israel more than they care about those “refugees”.

Nakdimon

Bassam said...

El Cid said: "Wow. You are COMPLETELY out of touch with reality Bassam. They use those tunnels to smuggle in weapons and explosives."


Why can't they have weapons? Israel has used weapons of mass destruction against people.

El Cid said: "I'm working on making a list of all the people Muslims keep telling me are "professional liars and deceivers", but I have to buy a bigger hard drive for my computer before I can compile it..."

El Cid, I will add you to the E section of my file "Islamaphobes in Denial"

Nakdimon said: "What is stopping them from aiding their Muslim brethren with food and medication?"

Helloooooo, you heard about the Gaza blockade, which is the reason why Hamas is firing into Israel?

El-Cid said...

Bassam said: "El Cid, I will add you to the E section of my file "Islamaphobes in Denial" "

Ok Bassam...I guess that makes you a "Christophobe in denial" then, because obviously if you disagree with a particular religion you must be harboring some irrational fear towards it, right?

No, I'm not in "denial" about any of my feelings toward Islam. I've spent a lot of time making an honest inquiry about your religion, and I conclude that it's rubbish.

I liked Islam a whole lot better before I actually new what it was about.

Bassam said: "Why can't they [the Palestinians] have weapons?"

Because they get rockets and they launch them at civilian targets; Because they launch those rockets FROM civilian positions thereby causing harm to their own people; Because they get explosives and then convince their youths to strap them on and blow themselves and others up; Because they get guns and kill civilians with them (even students studying religious text in Yeshivas); Because they get guns and kill each other in apparent blood-lust....

In short, every weapon they get is used to kill Jews, kill civilians, and kill other Palestinians.

Maybe if their leadership was 1/10th as serious about improving the condition of their people as they are about killing the Jews there would be some hope of a decent peaceful life for Palestinians.

Nakdimon said...

Bassam: “Helloooooo, you heard about the Gaza blockade, which is the reason why Hamas is firing into Israel?”

Oh boy…Bassam, don’t act as if you are the smart one and I just don’t get it. The “Gaza blockade” is ONLY applied to the border with Gaza that Israel controls! Does Israel control the Egyptian border with Gaza?

Evidently NOT! Yet you want us to believe that the Egyptians can’t aid the people from Gaza with basic supplies because the ISRAELI border with Gaza blocks the goods that come through Israel?

This makes no sense whatsoever and therefore my question still stands: What is stopping them from aiding their Muslim brethren with food and medication?

You haven’t answered. Please do!

Bassam said...

Nakdimon said: Does Israel control the Egyptian border with Gaza?

Yes they control the Kerem Shalom crossing.

Nakdimon said...

Who are you trying to fool Bassam? You mention the Kerem Shalom crossing but conveniently fail to mention the Rafa crossing. Who controls the Rafa crossing into Egypt?

All the crossings were open at first but were closed after attacks from Hamas. Now a donkey knows better when he bumps into a rock once, but Hamas seemingly isn't that smart. Because all those crossings closed after being attacked. So also the Rafa crossing. The Rafa crossing was open at first, but was closed by the EGYPTIAN AUTHORITIES after Hamas got into power.

So I ask again for the third time: What is stopping them from aiding their Muslim brethren with food and medication?

The fact that I repeatedly have to ask you the exact same question over and over again and your constant beating around the bush instead of giving decisive answer should be a sign on the wall to all spectators.

Bassam said...

What a joke. The Rafah crossing was closed for 86% of the days since June 25, 2006. One of the conditions of the ceasefire in early 2008 was that Israel ends it blockade. Did they do it? Noooooooooooooo. As even non-Muslims in the links that I have posted, which you don't address have stated.

So it wasn't only Israel's attack on November 4th that violated the treaty, but the fact that they didn't end the blockade as well.

Pathetic. Your false religion makes you blind. If your Bible didn't teach that Israel has a right to the land, you would be condemning Israel. Admit it. But again, you interpret your corrupt religion as inspiring hatred and oppression. What a shame.

Regards,

Bassam

Bassam said...

The Rafah crossing was closed entirely after June 2007 when Hamas took over. Even when Hamas didn't fire rockets for several months and abided by the treaty, it was still closed.

Israel broke the treaty. Period.

And they invaded the land unjustly. Period.

Bassam said...

On January 23, 2008 Hamas had to blow up the wall to get into Egypt just to get food and supplies.

Nakdimon said...

What a joke. The Rafah crossing was closed for 86% of the days since June 25, 2006. One of the conditions of the ceasefire in early 2008 was that Israel ends it blockade. Did they do it? Noooooooooooooo. As even non-Muslims in the links that I have posted, which you don't address have stated.

So it wasn't only Israel's attack on November 4th that violated the treaty, but the fact that they didn't end the blockade as well.


The joke is on YOU Bassam. I have asked you a simple question three times and you fail to answer. Regardless of how many times the crossing was closed, that still doesn’t answer the question: WHO CONTROLS THE RAFA CROSSING? EGYPT OR ISRAEL?

I’ll give you a hint this time so to make answering this question a little easier to you: IT IS NOT ISRAEL! Which only leaves Egypt. So the question, for the fourth time, is: What is stopping them from aiding their Muslim brethren with food and medication?

So please answer the question this time. And when you finally answer we can talk about how many times it was closed, by whom it was closed and why it was closed. Because even if the crossing was closed 99% of the time, the outcome will still be the same in my favour.

Pathetic. Your false religion makes you blind. If your Bible didn't teach that Israel has a right to the land, you would be condemning Israel. Admit it. But again, you interpret your corrupt religion as inspiring hatred and oppression. What a shame.

Regards,

Bassam


This is apologetics Islam style: making all sorts of claims without a shred of evidence. But as long as you convince yourself that you speak the truth, who needs evidence right?

My religion is false. Proof? NOPE!
If it weren’t for the Bible I would condemn Israel. Proof? NOPE!
My religion is corrupt. Proof? NOPE!

As for your point that if the Bible didn’t teach what it does about Israel, I would have a different view. As if it takes belief in the Bible that makes one support Israel. There are a lot of atheists that support Israel as well. So your assertion is baseless once again.

Nakdimon

btw: I should have said this before but the CAPS are all emphasis, NOT yelling! Just so you know....

Nabeel Qureshi said...

Karim! I can't believe you used Shadid to try and refute this woman! His logic is virtually always horrible, and this video was no exception.

Was this woman lying? She said she was not a member of an organization that has her up on their website as a speaker, so she must be lying, right?

Wrong! I've spoken for many organizations, and I could not remember them all if my life depended on it. What if one of them listed me on their website as a speaker for their organization? Am I magically a member of their organization? No! I'm just someone who spoke in conjunction with their organization.

This woman has spoken hundreds of times, probably way more than I have! If she doesn't remember the name of an organization she's spoken for that listed her on their website, it doesn't make her a liar!

What is it with Muslims and prematurely condemning everyone of being liars? Every other kafir is a liar in their book. On face value it seems like a mental complex of some sort. I'll have to ask the psychiatrists at my hospital if that's a common pattern of pathological personalities.

Nakdimon said...

On January 23, 2008 Hamas had to blow up the wall to get into Egypt just to get food and supplies.


Again, Bassam, how does that help you with the question? The fact that they had to blow up the walls into Egypt to get supplies and food, this still leaves you with the question what is stopping Egypt and the other Muslim countries from sending goods to the Palestinian Arabs through Egypt? There is not even so much as an attempt to do so.

David Wood said...

Nabeel said: "What is it with Muslims and prematurely condemning everyone of being liars? Every other kafir is a liar in their book. On face value it seems like a mental complex of some sort. I'll have to ask the psychiatrists at my hospital if that's a common pattern of pathological personalities."

Well, since Islam advocates deception, they must be assuming that everyone uses deception. What I don't understand is how they can condemn someone for lying (which Gabriel didn't even do) when Islam allows lying. Make up your minds: Is it wrong or not wrong? If it's wrong, then condemn Islam. If it's not wrong, then you forfeit the right to accuse people of lying.

Fernando said...

Professor Wood saide: «it seems like a mental complex of some sort»...

Not "seems"... it's really a mental disease... projecting in others what onne doens't want them to se in oneselff is called the "Janus complex"...

Muhammad said...

David,

I am astonished at the fact that you continue to express your false, and frankly, dumb ideas about the Battle of Badr, and Islam in General.

First, you said in (5), "Muhammad keeps condemning their beliefs", then in (6), "Meccans begin persecuting Muslims", so then, Mr. Consistency Detector (!!), do you believe that it is lawful or allowed to persecute an individual based upon their condemnation of something you believe in? If so, would you condone Muslims persecuting, I don't know, You, for condemning Islam?

(7), "Muhammad flees Mecca". Ok, but in a, "Historical Reaserch", as you so often claim you do, you have to mention the reasons, and outcomes. The reason that Allah's Messenger (Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him), left Mecca was due to the persecution, and their plot to assasinate him, Peace and Blessings be upon him. Kinda the same that happened numerous times in the times of Ancient Rome, but, Mr. Consistency Detector doesn't condemn Romans, does he?

(9) Like I said, you are obliged, if you desire to be called an honest researcher, to mention what happened before, why did God's Prophet attack Meccans? You should look to the Qur'an for that, "Permission to fight is (against disbelievers) is given to those (believers), who are fought against, because they (believers) have been wronged, and surely, Allâh is Able to give them victory. Those who have been expelled from their homes unjustly only because they said: "Our Lord is Allâh." - For had it not been that Allâh checks one set of people by means of another, monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, wherein the Name of Allâh is mentioned much would surely have been pulled down. Verily, Allâh will help those who help His (Cause). Truly, Allâh is All-Strong, All-Mighty." 22:39-40.

You said about the Palestinians, why are Palestinians firing rockets into Israel? Due to the 60+ year persecution at the hands of the Zionists, not that I agree with firing rockets, but please look to reasons.
I could say, Jesus was rather harsh and rash to the Jews, calling them Children of Vermins, and beging condemning him for that, but another Muslim, would say, it was due to their constant disbelief in God.

David said, "This is just historically false. They wanted Muhammad out of Mecca. They were willing to kill him to achieve their goal, but once the Muslims had left, the Meccans were quite satisfied." Really? Do you have a shred of proof for that?

David said, "Islam allows lying." Can you prove that?

Nakdimon said...

You said about the Palestinians, why are Palestinians firing rockets into Israel? Due to the 60+ year persecution at the hands of the Zionists, not that I agree with firing rockets, but please look to reasons.


WOW! No attacking Zion, sir.

First, that 60+ year persecution is total nonsense. I urge you to go back a few posts and look at the exchange between me and Bassam Zawadi.

Second, the Palestinian Arabs are in this position because of their Arab neighbours trying to “help them out” by attacking Israel in 1948 in order to destroy the state and give it to the Arab Palestinians.

Third, since their Arab “brothers” put them in that position, they are the ones to get them out of it. They can easily absorb those “refugees” they have put there by letting them into their countries. Almost 900.000 Jews fled Islamic countries and went to Israel and built up their lives. Yet those 600.000 Arabs that were labelled “refugees” are still where they are now because those Muslim countries just refuse to grant them asylum.

Fourth, after the IDF went into Gaza, Hamas and those other fringe groups still haven’t learned their lesson and keep on firing rockets into Israel. We hear NOT ONE MUSLIM about this. But, when Israel thinks enough is enough and strikes back, I don’t want to see any Muslim complaining about “disproportionate” violence. Obviously Hamas doesn’t give a nickel for the lives of those they govern over.


I could say, Jesus was rather harsh and rash to the Jews, calling them Children of Vermins, and beging condemning him for that, but another Muslim, would say, it was due to their constant disbelief in God.

And when you say that about Yeshua, do I then have the right to sneak upon you in your sleep and murder you because you were “insulting Jesus”?

Regards,

Proud Lover of Zion

notbenmalik said...

A copy and paste of a previous post:


In any case, I would like to say to Ben Malik, whoever you are: brother, your language is getting in the way of your message, big time. Constant use of terms like "snake" and "liar" and the constant denigration inherent in your language is reprehensible. I must tell you that your language has utterly overthrown your profession in this thread. Indeed, could anyone even figure out what the topic is supposed to be after so much bluster and emotionalism has been cast into the midst of it? The gospel of Christ is not proclaimed by means of hatred, sir, and it is hard not to conclude that given you begin with referring to someone as "this deceitful, lying Shiite" that you are hardly spending much time praying for this man's deliverance from the deception that blinds his eyes.

I am not blameless in this matter. I am a sinner, in need of God's grace, and I have often failed to love as Christ commanded me to. But I seek His forgiveness, and I do seek to be consistent in this issue. And so I call upon all Christians, no matter what your experience with Muslim apologists, some of whom, I well know, do all they can to *exacerbate* this kind of situation---we have no choice in this matter. "Speak the truth in love" is our command. If you think you have the right to mock, I exhort you to consider well the role your own flesh is playing in the matter. Give no place to it, brethren. Examine your motives. Examine your heart. Do you find pride? Arrogance? Hubris? Repent and confess it and ask God to fill you with His Spirit.

james

ben malik said...
Dr. White,

Because I respect and love you I will refrain from attacking Muslims and want to apologize for offending my Christian brothers by attacking Muslims, despite their lies and slanders against the brethren. I respect you as my elder and accept your rebuke gladly and will stop posting here lest I continue to attacking Muslims. We expect Muslims to act in this manner and yet I do need to conform to a higher standard since Jesus, not Muhammad, is our manner and standard of truth and morality.

Muhammad said...

Nakdimon said, "WOW! No attacking Zion, sir.

First, that 60+ year persecution is total nonsense. I urge you to go back a few posts and look at the exchange between me and Bassam Zawadi."

Well, I am not insulting the Holy Land, I am talking about the ZIONISTS, who broke the covenant with God, therefore, removing their rights to the Holy Land. However the Zionists, although they broke the Covenant, still insist that God promised them the Holy Land.
Learn to read.

"Second, the Palestinian Arabs are in this position because of their Arab neighbours trying to “help them out” by attacking Israel in 1948 in order to destroy the state and give it to the Arab Palestinians."

So, to get the facts straight, this is what I want you to be consistent in approving:

1) The U.N. throws 600,000 Mexican Zoroastrians into Texas.
2) You allow them, they start establishing roads, not follow the laws of the people, and start persecuting Texan Americans.
3) When the Texans start complaining that, "My mother has been killed for no reason", "My baby sister was shot in her stomach".
then 4) You MUST and are OBLIGED to say, "Forget you, Texans, I say to Obama, 'Give the Land back to the Natives!!' Stop Complaining, the Mexicans were the original inhabitants of Texas anyway!!"
5) Anyone just says, "Hey the Mexicans have their own living are; living here is one thing, but persecuting the inhabitants is another."
6) You say, "No! Be quite you Muslims, you are inconsistent."
7) The former quoted individual says, "What? I am not even Muslim? I just have some sort of mind."

That is the scenario, considering that many American Intellectuals are protesting the Palestinian Oppression going on.

"Third, since their Arab “brothers” put them in that position, they are the ones to get them out of it. They can easily absorb those “refugees” they have put there by letting them into their countries. Almost 900.000 Jews fled Islamic countries and went to Israel and built up their lives. Yet those 600.000 Arabs that were labelled “refugees” are still where they are now because those Muslim countries just refuse to grant them asylum."

So, what's your point? A Palestinian has to move from his home with his children, to live as a refugee in a foreign country, just to make space for a Western Jew?

"Fourth, after the IDF went into Gaza, Hamas and those other fringe groups still haven’t learned their lesson and keep on firing rockets into Israel. We hear NOT ONE MUSLIM about this. But, when Israel thinks enough is enough and strikes back, I don’t want to see any Muslim complaining about “disproportionate” violence. Obviously Hamas doesn’t give a nickel for the lives of those they govern over."

No one here is defending Hamas.
Look to the statistics, 1 Israeli Soldier, 1,000 Palestinian Innocent Civilians (mostly women and children). Do you think that is fair?

"And when you say that about Yeshua, do I then have the right to sneak upon you in your sleep and murder you because you were “insulting Jesus”?"

You may ask why I told you just a few lines up, "Learn to read", and here is the answer, I was not insulting Jesus peace be upon him, I was showing an example of David's consistency, or lack thereof. If you read the sentence directly above what I said, "Look to reasons", meaning to imply, look to see the whole story not just, "Jesus called whomever, whatever", and condemn Jesus, as I am sure that you Christians would not do that, and I would not either hopefully.

The point is, will you allow the same with Islam, or anything associated with it?

Nakdimon said...

Muhammad: “Well, I am not insulting the Holy Land, I am talking about the ZIONISTS, who broke the covenant with God, therefore, removing their rights to the Holy Land. However the Zionists, although they broke the Covenant, still insist that God promised them the Holy Land.
Learn to read.”


WOW! You are really as ignorant as your prophet. (and your god, by the way) When you finally have studied the conditions of the Covenant that God made with Israel instead of just repeating the nonsense that you hear in your mosques, then you will see that what you have been taught is incorrect and doesn’t correspond with the facts. But then again, you Muslims haven’t really ever been big on facts, have you? I suggest you read Leviticus 26:14-45 for a summary of the conditions.

There, God says that He will punish Israel for their disobedience. (vs 16-17) If Israel still refuses to repent, then God will punish them seven times harder. (vs 18) If Israel still refuses to repent, then God will again punish them seven times harder. (vs 21) If Israel still refuses to repent, then God will again punish them seven times harder. (vs 24) And if Israel still refuses to repent, then God will again punish them seven times harder. (vs 28) And when you finally come to verse 44, this is what God says:

44 Yet in spite of this, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not reject them or abhor them so as to destroy them completely, breaking my covenant with them. I am Yahweh their God.

These “Zionists” will not be rejected by God even IF they have broken the Covenant with Him, God says that, no matter what they do, HE WILL NOT ABANDON HIS COVENANT WITH THEM! And it is God, NOT MAN, that determines whether a Covenant is still valid or not. So you Muslims can claim all you want about Israel breaking the Covenant, but even when that is the case, God hasn’t abandoned the Covenant.

Not convinced yet? Here is more from the prophets:

Jeremiah 31: 34 Thus says Yahweh, Who gives the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, who stirs up the sea, that the waves thereof roar, Yahweh of hosts is His name: 35 If these ordinances depart from before Me, says Yahweh, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before Me for ever. 36 Thus says Yahweh: If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, then will I also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, says Yahweh...

These verses totally and utterly undercut every and any claim that any Muslim tries to make that God will reject Israel for their actions. Verse 36 says it all: ONLY when someone can measure the heaven and search out the foundations of the earth, ONLY THEN Israel will be cast off for their actions. UNTILL THEN, Israel remains a nation before Yahweh. They remain His people and He remains their God.

There are a lot more, but I think this will suffice. The only thing left for Muslims to do now is to claim that these parts of the Bible were corrupted.


So, to get the facts straight, this is what I want you to be consistent in approving:

1) The U.N. throws 600,000 Mexican Zoroastrians into Texas.
2) You allow them, they start establishing roads, not follow the laws of the people, and start persecuting Texan Americans.
3) When the Texans start complaining that, "My mother has been killed for no reason", "My baby sister was shot in her stomach".
then 4) You MUST and are OBLIGED to say, "Forget you, Texans, I say to Obama, 'Give the Land back to the Natives!!' Stop Complaining, the Mexicans were the original inhabitants of Texas anyway!!"
5) Anyone just says, "Hey the Mexicans have their own living are; living here is one thing, but persecuting the inhabitants is another."
6) You say, "No! Be quite you Muslims, you are inconsistent."
7) The former quoted individual says, "What? I am not even Muslim? I just have some sort of mind."

That is the scenario, considering that many American Intellectuals are protesting the Palestinian Oppression going on.


Muslims should stop inventing analogies. This analogy is nonsensical because it’s flawed from point 1. Texas is American soil, Palestine was NOT Palestinian soil before 1948. It was British soil! And the Arabs got 75% of that land, the Jews got 25%. And still the Arabs weren’t satisfied.

As for the American Intellectuals protesting. So what? There are enough other intellectuals protesting against Hamas. So what is your point?

So, what's your point? A Palestinian has to move from his home with his children, to live as a refugee in a foreign country, just to make space for a Western Jew?

YES! Just as those Jews from Muslim countries had to do the same. The only difference is that the Jews were admitted in Israel. Alas, the Arab Palestinians were and still are denied access into the land of their Muslim “brethren”. Which shows that the other Muslim countries don’t give a dime for the lives of the Arab Palestinians. As things are right now, there are only two options: 1) The “refugees” remain where they are now and life being harsh on them because of the terrorist regimes they live under that makes bad decisions on their behalf, or 2) the Arab neighbours help them out and permit the “refugees” to enter their countries and build up their lives there. But that is exactly what they don’t want. All they are interested in is to keep the Palis there only to be a thorn in the eye of Israel.


No one here is defending Hamas.
Look to the statistics, 1 Israeli Soldier, 1,000 Palestinian Innocent Civilians (mostly women and children). Do you think that is fair?


Well, there is surely no one condemning them. Do you ever wonder why those statistics are as they are right now? That is because Hamas fires rockets into Israel and then hide behind civilians. Do you think THAT’S fair? Not to mention that Hamas doesn’t give a dime for their own people, because as soon as Israel leaves Gaza, they are firing rockets again. They also caused the UN food supplies to stop, because they attack and rob the trucks that deliver supplies to their own people. How’s that for “brotherly love”?

You may ask why I told you just a few lines up, "Learn to read", and here is the answer, I was not insulting Jesus peace be upon him, I was showing an example of David's consistency, or lack thereof. If you read the sentence directly above what I said, "Look to reasons", meaning to imply, look to see the whole story not just, "Jesus called whomever, whatever", and condemn Jesus, as I am sure that you Christians would not do that, and I would not either hopefully.

Well I think you misunderstood me. I didn’t think you insulted Yeshua. I was just asking if we are allowed to kill you for criticizing Yeshua, just as your prophet did with Abu Afak, Astma bint Marwan, etc.?

Nakdimon

Hubert Wagner said...

Hello Mr Wood :
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