Tuesday, February 3, 2009

Free Mecca!

In the year 630, Muslims conquered Mecca. Not wanting a bloodbath, the polytheists surrendered without a fight.

It's time to set things right. Muslims should give Mecca back to polytheists. Polytheists should be allowed to take back their temple (the Ka'ba) and fill it with their gods. The polytheists can then continue with their ancient pagan practices (e.g. ablutions, taking the pilgrimage to Mecca, circling the Ka'ba, kissing the black stone, etc.).

Polytheists are people too, and they have rights (not simply the right to convert to Islam or die).

Free Mecca! (I think this would make a good T-shirt slogan.)

65 comments:

Nakdimon said...

YEAH! I think that the polytheists should have the right to return! Not only did the Muslims steal their land, but they also stole their religion and, in addition, corrupted it by making it the place of one of the idols instead of the mary many.

Anonymous said...

I would like to order such a t-shirt.

David Wood said...

One day when we're all together, we should make some signs and March down the street, calling for justice for the polytheists. We'll put the video on YouTube. Let's not attack the police, though.

Fernando said...

«Let's not attack the police, though.».... no... It would make us look likke muslimes "pacifiests"...

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

I don't think the idol (the black stone) of Mecca bothers too much, more than a billion followers prostrate toward it five times a day, and a millions kiss annually.

Muhammad simply synchronized pre-islamic idolatry with Abrahamic religion, added Christian Syriac flavour that included Hellenistic science and cosmology including a tiny bit of Gnosticim.

I guess all these Muslim adherers have no idea that they practice everday what they so eagerly deny.

Anonymous said...

That's an interesting idea David.
Where do you live anyway?

David Wood said...

The Bronx.

B said...

Give Makkah back to the Polytheists?

Nakdimon said...

What a pathetic article! You really dont want me to write a rebuttal to this!

Bryant said...

David Wood:

"One day when we're all together, we should make some signs and March down the street, calling for justice for the polytheists. We'll put the video on YouTube. Let's not attack the police, though."


HAHAHAHAHA!! I'm with you bro! Give the land back!!

El-Cid said...

"Free Mecca!"

...and I would like to also add that the Muslims need to give Egypt back to the Copts :-)

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Bryant said...

Nakdimon said:

What a pathetic article! You really dont want me to write a rebuttal to this!

You should write a full response to this nonsense.

Sami wrote:

"Lastly Wood says free Makkah, nay, free CANAAN! The region which was completely destroyed and stolen by the Israelites on the orders of the God of the Bible, common Wood, let's see how consistent you will be, according to the Bible, Israelites went through the land of Canaan committing mass genocide, destroying city after city just so they could take the land for themselves. I demand that Wood and his fellow Christians pay compensation to the people of Canaan, and I demand that Wood removes the present day Israeli immigrants in the stolen land of Palestine who have yet again acted on the terrorism of the Bible by stealing the land of its inhabitants just as the Israelites did 4000 years ago, enough is enough, how long shall we allow these people to steal land from the mid-east?

And Allah Knows Best!"


Yeah I agree that Allah knows best that is why he told them to fight and take the land Himself. Surah 5:21-26

So why are you disobeying Allah by telling the Jews to give Canaan back Sami?

David Wood said...

Yes, I don't recall taking any land from the Canaanites. No one in my family line was involved there.

But I'll go ahead and agree with Sami. Let's give various lands back to the original inhabitants. Thus, instead of giving Israel to the Palestinians, we'll give it to the pagans (per Sami's request). And we'll give Arabia back to the pagans as well (along with their temple--the Ka'ba).

Now since the Muslim takeover of Arabia was more recent, we'll start with Arabia. As soon as Muslims give the land back, I will openly campaign for the return of Palestine to the Canaanites.

Yahya Hayder Seymour said...

Give America back to the Amer-Indian Native Americans first, it was a bit more recent than Arabia Wood. Secondly, find us some Arab Pagans then we can start negotiations on that.

Nakdimon said...

Bryant, that was exactly the point (among the many) I was going to make. Sami always complains about others not being consistent but let's look at what he does with this. I'm very eager to see how consistent he will be and repudiate his own god's words and call Allah a genocidal deity.

Nazam said...

my 2 cents, give England back to the pagans.

Bfoali said...

Nakidomn I would love to see your response to Sami's article.
Poisoning the well has only gotten you so far in your life, real writing should be your next step.

Nakdimon said...

Well, Yahya, first you should lift the prohibition on apostacy by penalty of death and allow the pagans that are trapped in Islam to get out and then the negotiations will start right away. No doubt about that. You can't tell a prisoner that he can come to the table to negotiate when he is locked in his cell, can you?

David Wood said...

Yahya said: "Give America back to the Amer-Indian Native Americans first, it was a bit more recent than Arabia Wood."

Indeed. But we're talking about what the world religions should do, so let's focus on that first. So the order will be:

(1) Muslims give back Arabia to the pagans.
(2) Jews give back Palestine to the pagans.
(3) America will give back America to the native Americans.

(What's interesting is that the Muslims seem to see how ridiculous all this talk of giving land back to previous groups is. They just don't see it when it comes to the Palestinians. Why? Because, as I've said, most Muslims don't really care about the Palestinians. They just hate the fact that the Jews have so much power in the Middle East, and so they use Palestinians to stir up hatred against the Jews. This is wild stuff!)

Michelle Qureshi said...

Sami:
Fifthly, Makkah was originally a MONOTHEISTIC city, David mentions the pagan idols and practices, yet what Wood forgets to mention is that the origin of Makkah was a monotheistic holy city of God, the idols and pagan practices were foreign innovations introduced to the city. The Kaaba which was rebuilt by both Abraham and Ishmael was meant to be a pure house of God, not to be defiled by idols and idol practice, hence when the Prophet Muhammad destroyed the idols he was returning the Kaaba back to its original state, not the other way round Mr. Wood. So in point of fact Wood should have stated the polytheists should have given the city back to the monotheists! Not the other way round.


Is there even a shred of evidence for this, or is this something Muslims just assume to be true?

Ho-Logos said...

Haha this post made my day.

B said...

David your analogies are fallacious. Currently right now as we speak Palestinians are suffering under the Israeli occupation.

Right now we don't have Arab pagans or Red Indians or whatever suffering, so that is not our concern today. Today our concern is the Israeli invasion of Palestine. THAT SHOULD HAPPEN FIRST.

Then we can move on to address your silly Arab pagan Mecca analogies.

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

Currenly Palestinians suffer under Israeli occupation because of terrorism (if Bassam refers to Gaza). There is sign war, yes, and that is deplorable, yet there is no sign of genocide.

As to the rest of Israel, I guess we have argued effectively, that the Palestinians have no legal right over the land. That does not mean a Christian necessarily agree with every action Israel takes, but we do recognise Israel position in God's future plan of the land.

Since Israel is part the divine plan, there is simply nothing Islam, UN, Hamas, or anybody can do about it.

The Israelites returned back to the country and established themselves as the Bible predicted, whether you or I like it, they are there to stay until the end.

The continuous battle of the land (which occurs at the moment) will also continue to the end (as the Bible also predicts), and obviously, in the same way as the modern Israelite establishment was fulfilled, the prediction will come true that they will also persevere and be victorious.

El-Cid said...

Bassam said: "Right now we don't have Arab pagans or Red Indians or whatever suffering, so that is not our concern today. Today our concern is the Israeli invasion of Palestine. THAT SHOULD HAPPEN FIRST."

You sound like a bit of a joker when you say things like this, Bassam.

The fact is, there are ethnic groups in EVERY corner of the globe that are "suffering" in one form or another from the reality that the land their ancestors once dominated, is being controlled by the decedants of colonists or conquerors.

Of course, Muslims aren't pitching a hissy-fit about any of them. No, Muslim's primary concern is eradicating the nation of Israel. You people just wrap it up in some "social justice" and "opression" as a sham.

The God you CLAIM to worship promised the land of Israel as an eternal possession for the Jews.

If you people really love the God of Abraham, you should be thrilled that He honors His promise. After all, if He breaks His Covenant with Israel imagine what promises He would be capable of breaking with you?

B said...

Thank you Hogan and El Cid for appealing to religion to justify terror.

Thanks,

Bassam

Nakdimon said...

Terror? Q&A time:

Bassam, has or has not your god Allah promised that land to the seed of Abraham, specifically that seed of Abraham that would through whom the nations of the earth would be blessed (Genesis 12) and who would be strangers in a land that is not theirs and would be oppressed by those people that God would eventually judge for oppressing that seed of Abraham and that He sworn by Himself to bring them to the land to the land of Abraham’s sojourning? (Genesis 15)

If no, then Allah cannot be Yahweh, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel and is a fake pretend god!

If yes, then what are you condemning your own god by calling him a terrorist?

Eagerly awaiting your CONSISTENT reply!

Fernando said...

Bassam's articlle "Give Makkah back to the Polytheists?" is so foonie... full of historical falsitues, religios misconceptions, hedinious hate towards the jews... typically muslim snuff...

DAN12345 said...

Sami wrote "Fifthly, Makkah was originally a MONOTHEISTIC city, David mentions the pagan idols and practices, yet what Wood forgets to mention is that the origin of Makkah was a monotheistic holy city of God, the idols and pagan practices were foreign innovations introduced to the city. The Kaaba which was rebuilt by both Abraham and Ishmael was meant to be a pure house of God, not to be defiled by idols and idol practice, hence when the Prophet Muhammad destroyed the idols he was returning the Kaaba back to its original state, not the other way round Mr. Wood. So in point of fact Wood should have stated the polytheists should have given the city back to the monotheists! Not the other way round."
Makkah was MONOTHEISTIC!!! pull the other leg why dont you the biggest pagans the world has ever known are from there!
Sami wrote makkah was originaly a holy city from god and abraham rebuilt the kabba etc,,,,show me 1 piece of evidence to support your mixed up version of history.
Why dont you muslims(to prove your point)put pressure on the saudi's to allow archaeologists to come into mecca and test the kabba,test the bricks and see how old it really is.SURELY THIS WILL PROVE YOUR POINT AND WE WILL ALL BECOME MUSLIMS.PLEASE DO THIS,ALL MUSLIMS SUPPORT THIS

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

read my post again, Bassam, you are dragging the matter out of proportion, as ussual.

DAN12345 said...

http://religionresearchinstitute.org/mecca/archeology.htm

Nakdimon said...

WOW Dan! That is amazing data. I have checked the article "is mohammed a descendant of Ishmael?" article also. This is very historical. Here is what the man says and he has a point:

No one has the right to claim he descended from a specific man who lived 2,000 years before him, unless he has written documents which testify to his claim. In Mohammed’s case, those documents simply do not exist. We have no proof that the ancestors of Mohammed were the descendants of Ishmael

Since the Meccans were a people that only had oral tradition, there were no written testimonies of any geneology of anyone. How, then, did the geneology of Muhammad come about?

Very curious!

Nakdimon

DAN12345 said...

Nakdimon muslims lay claim to everything,muhammad's prophetness,mecca the kabba,muhammad coming from ishmael,everything is WITHOUT evidence.When will they start producing evidence to back up what they are saying?If they are so sure they are right as i said before they would invite archaeologists from all over to investiage freely as they should be sure of their findings.If the police stop me and im not guilty and i havent got anything illegal on me,they can search me no problem as im sure!but when you see a person being stopped and he doesnt want to be searched at all everybody knows he has something illegal on him.That is like the muslim,against freedom,why are only muslims allowed in the kabba?They are scared a non muslim will pick at a rock,send it off for study and show the truth.

DAN12345 said...

Muslims should stop saying muhammad descended from abraham and ishmael it is time for them to say he comes from adam only,as they believe adam is a prophet.That way we can agree with them even though we dont believe adam is a prophet we can agree muhammad has this lineage.But unfortunetly we all have this lineage,,,,every human who has ever lived!if a muslim makes this claim we will agree with them,then it will make the muslim who says this right 100percent about muhammads lineage

Anonymous said...

Is there even a shred of evidence for this, or is this something Muslims just assume to be true?

Your're just silly. Those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow.

B said...

Response to Sam Shamoun’s “Ishmael Is Not The Father of Muhammad”

Further Comments On “Ishmael Is Not The Father of Muhammad” Revisited

B said...

Nakdimon, as for your terror Q&A, I mean even if your own Christian brethren refute you on this point in that the promise for the land had a condition attached to it. See the two links I already provided. I'm not going to keep repeating myself.

Yahya Hayder Seymour said...

Nabeel said: Is there even a shred of evidence for this, or is this something Muslims just assume to be true?

One thing I like about Nabeel is unlike some, he doesn't pretend to be an expert on Islam, I hope Bassam's article provides you adequate evidence Nabeel, if you need to know anything else in future, regarding the basics of Islam, come to us and we'll give you the information. Tell your parents the offer is open to them too, I've heard they like to ask Nadir Ahmed a lot.

Nakdimon, they are free too.

Nakdimon said...

Bassam, I know those "Christians" that claim that God's promise to Israel was conditional. Those are revisionists that claim that the promises to Israel are transferred to the Church, which is bogus. They refute absolutely nothing. They are in the same boat as the Muslims:

Muslims claim that ALlah revealed the Torah and the Gospel, but those books got corrupted, yet they claim that Allah preserved the Qur'an. If Allah wasn't true to his previous revelations (the Torah and the Injeel) then they have no guarrantee that Allah will be true to the Qur'an as well.

Likewise, those revisionist "christians" claim that, although God swore by Himself that He would give Israel the Land that He promised Abraham, He renegged on that promise and transferred the promises to Israel to the Church, which means that if God can give His promise to Israel and break it, then they too have everything to fear, since His supposed disloyalty to His promise to Israel means that He can be disloyal to whatever promise He made to the Church as well.

So bring them on, those "christians", and they will get refuted hardcore.

God's only CONDITION in the Promise was that He would kick Israel out of His Land if they would be disobedient. NEVER that He would take away the promise, namely, take away the Land that He had given them. There is no such conditional clause in the Covenant He made with Abraham, repeated to Isaac and Israel and fulfilled to the Children of Israel.

But enough explained. The question that I asked you remains: Did or did not your god Allah give that land as an everlasting possession to B'nei Yisrael? If not he is NOT Yahweh. If so, then why do you condemn him and accuse him of terror?

Nakdimon

Nakdimon said...

By the way. I think that I will post links all over the place too, instead of typing out full rebuttals to Bassam.

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

There is far too much inconsistency from the muslim side here. They frequently attack the Torah of Moses as an evil manuel of genocide.

Now I wonder if Muhammad would have responded in the same way, clearly the Qur'an is far more respectable to the Torah than modern Muslims. Which is why modern Muslims are not adheres of the qur'an,

Which is also why I find Muslims illogical and inconsistent, debating a muslims feels like debating an atheist. Which consequently confirms my statement that modern muslims are not true muslims, they simply resemble a group of people that try to make it through a very paradoxical and contradictory religion.

Anonymous said...

Ok David wood first of all let me tell you these things. Why did you want to write this article. Are you really using your brain. Did you know what the polytheist practised. you want practising like that ha? Second you say that muslims should give meeca bak to the polytheist but ha ha the muslims you are talking about ARE MECCANS EVEN PROPHET MUHAMMED HIMSELF WAS FROM MECCA. Why did the biblical god order josuah and all to fight the people in israel. Cuz they were pagans and their practises were bad. Thats why they also destroyed the idol stones. But any way what im trying to say is that some of the muslims who took part in this invading of mecca were from mecca self. Its like saying heey americans give new york back to the americans. The muslims invaded mecca beause of their false belife and their practise. Have you understood what have written. I hope so.

David Wood said...

Wrong! Only a very small minority of the people who conquered Mecca were from Mecca. Muhammad left with only a few dozen people. He returned with 10,000. These people came from elsewhere. So what we have is 10,000 non-Meccan's taking over Mecca. It's time to give it back.

But you've brought up a good point, which I will grant (because it's what I've been waiting for). You say that the people living in Mecca today are Muslims. Hence, to give it back to the Meccans would mean to give it back to the Muslims, and you find this absurd.

Gotcha! The people living in Israel today are Jews. Most of the people who were born and raised there are Jews. Hence, it's theirs, and it makes no sense to give the land to people who don't live there.

El-Cid said...

Bassam said: "Thank you Hogan and El Cid for appealing to religion to justify terror."

That is just an absurdly fallacious statement of grand proportions. I've done nothing of the sort (and neither has Hogan).

Anonymous said...

Ok David if you think im somebody supporting palestian then im not. I have nothing against israel or the palestinians. Rather i blame the arabs because they are so quite.But all that took place in saudi arabia all all of them were one people ARABS. But i dont know how to refute your point cuz the meccans were pagans and their practises were wrong and even if non-meccans conquered them they were still arabs. So i dont know. But the jews were punished in the book of judges when they served the baals and i ask you WHY well it was because of their wrong belife and the bad things the baals did. AHH YOU KNOW FORGET IT I JUST FIND IT STUPID TO GIVE A CITY BACK TO ARABS FROM ARABS. These people were pagans and belived sun and moon were god.

Nakdimon said...

AHH YOU KNOW FORGET IT I JUST FIND IT STUPID TO GIVE A CITY BACK TO ARABS FROM ARABS.

So it’s a racial thing now? If it isn’t then what do you mean with this statement?

Anonymous said...

Nakidom listen carefully. The meccans were not forced to go out from thier home. Second they were invaded by their own people arabs so you its like saying arabs give back to arabs. The only thing is that THE SAME PEOPLE FOUGHT AGAISNT EACH OTHER THE REAL DIFFRENSES WAS THAT ONE OF THEM BELIVED IN GOD AND THE OTHER BELIVED IN MOON AND SUN. THIS IS A STUPID POINT.

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

I has come up several times by know that the invasion of Mecca by Muhammad and the invasion of the Christian Egypts by the Muslims and the invasion of Spain (for example) is all justified because of what the people practised or because of the state of the country.

I find this excuse amazing. Imagine if Britain or USA were to invade Yemen or Somalia solely because they are not doing to well. I wonder if Muslims today would accept the purpose of such an invasion. And of course, then the invasion of Iraq is justified, since the people of Iraq wanted Saddam Hussain out out of their life.

I am sure the Christians in Egypts would have been able to initally sort out their problems with the Catholic church, I am sure that the people of Spain would initially sort out their own problems.

I mean have not Muslims also engaged in persecution and oppression of Muslims, why complain and about the Egyptian Christian community and their relation to the Catholic church in 6-7 century; the Muslims were killing each other at the same time when they supposedly according to islamic propaganda liberated Egypt.

As Gandi said to the British occupyers, when they raised the same silly reason for their rule on foreign soil: 'the problems of India is our problem'

Anonymous said...

What about the baals. They could sort out their own problems the israelians didnt need to do that right.

David Wood said...

Islamresponses,

If you're not arguing that the Jews should give back Israel to the Palestinians, then you and I are on the same page. I don't really think that Muslims should give Mecca back to pagans. I find that idea just as absurd as you do.

The point of the post is to call Muslims to consistency. If a Muslim says, "The land used to belong to the Palestinians; therefore, the Jews should give it back to the Palestinians," he's presupposing that it's right and proper to give land back to the people in originally belonged to. And if that's what Muslims are saying, they should be consistent and apply that reasoning everywhere. But they don't apply it everywhere. Indeed, there's only one place where they do apply it: the place where Jews have taken over a plot of land that was once in Muslim hands. And this is sheer inconsistency at its worst.

But again, if you're not claiming that the Jews need to give back the land, this post wasn't written for you.

Anonymous said...

Oh im sorry David.

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...
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Dk said...

lol I think we've all learn't an important lesson from this thread.

All religions have stolen land, pillaged, mass-murdered and raped, and THEREFORE trying to use Israel and Saudi as an argument against each other is futile, you are all equally supporting what you accuse the other of doing, except those christians who are non-zionist, and don't take the OT literally, well done for them!

And SAMI please ADDRESS Nabeels post, he made an important point, your claims about Mecca being Monotheistic are not substantiated by history, anthropology nor archeology, there is no evidence whatsoever for this.

Fernando said...

How cann any serious person claime that Mecca was Monotheistic? This' unbelieveble...

Anonymous said...

How cann any serious person claime that Mecca was Monotheistic? This' unbelieveble...

Response: But its good it became an monotheistc like england sweden greece and egypt they were polytheist beforw with the belives of zeus and ra now they have islam and christianity as their official religon. So i dont understand why you are seeing this as wrong.

Anonymous said...

elijah what i meant was that theiy could sort their own problems to be whorshiper of the god of israel. Cuz god wouldnt punish them if they were jews right. i know some enemies who were saved by the israelians like the one who was saved togheter with his family because he didnt expose the two spies who was sent by josuah. But any way now i know the point of this article and i dont have any problem with the point David is trying to make.

Dk said...

Islamresponses ADDRESS THE QUESTION, where is the evidence for your claim that (Mecca) was Monotheistic due to Abrahams influence, and then it was paganized at a later date.

Anonymous said...

Dk,

I never said that Mecca was a monotheistic city i said "its good it became a monotheistic" thats what i said.

Unknown said...

"Gotcha! The people living in Israel today are Jews. Most of the people who were born and raised there are Jews. Hence, it's theirs, and it makes no sense to give the land to people who don't live there."

Hahaha, David, has your consistency detector broken?

Who said that most of the people of Palestine are Jews? Second, Yes we would be happy for the GERMAN, POLISH, RUSSIAN, AND AMERICAN JEWS to give the land back to the Palestinians, we have no problem with living with Palestinians of other religions.

We will live alongside Jews, we respect them, they respect us, not murder us when we kill 1 of their soldiers, rape our women, chop the limbs of the dead, and hang the living.

We will live alongside Arab Palestinian Christians, we respect them as neighbors, they respect us as neighbors, just as we did prior to the Crusader Era, before Western intervention began.

The problem is for European, and Western in General, Jews, who follow the Religion, and are not Semites, or are they from the Children of Israel, to come and persecute Palestinian Jews, Christians, and Muslims.

That's the point, Mr. Consistency Detector!!

Sophia De Morgan said...

Muhammad,

Do you know what an inconsistency is? You accused me of being inconsistent (if that's what you meant when you referred to my "consistency detector"), yet you failed to point out a single inconsistency!

I can't on earth figure out how you could possibly challenge my claim that the majority of people living in Israel are Jews, since that's a fact. (Get an almanac.)

You refer to the pre-Crusader era, when Muslims lived in peace with Christians. I suggest you check your history. The reason the Crusades started was that Muslims were invading Europe and attacking European cities. Is that what you call "respect"?

You say you would gladly live in peace with Jews. I'm glad for you. But the fact remains that many of your fellow Muslims will settle for nothing less than the complete destruction of every Jew in Israel. So, when you get all of your Muslim brothers to agree with your peaceful views, let me know.

Unknown said...

"Do you know what an inconsistency is? You accused me of being inconsistent (if that's what you meant when you referred to my "consistency detector"), yet you failed to point out a single inconsistency!"

Sophia,

I don't know who you are and was not addressing you. I was addressing David, since he is the one who said, "I have a built in consistency detector."

How you managed to come to the conclusion that I was accusing you of being inconsistent, is beyond me, along with the fact that you have not published a single comment in this entire discussion.

Indubitably you have lost the ability to read.

"I can't on earth figure out how you could possibly challenge my claim that the majority of people living in Israel are Jews, since that's a fact. (Get an almanac.)"

We are talking here about Arab Jews, not European immigrants who came there in the 40s, or in the 60s.

"You refer to the pre-Crusader era, when Muslims lived in peace with Christians. I suggest you check your history. The reason the Crusades started was that Muslims were invading Europe and attacking European cities. Is that what you call "respect"?"

Can you prove that?
I think you need to review YOUR history, the Crusaders invaded Palestine and did much of the same as the Zionists are doing, killing everyone, including their own.
You as a Christian, should thank God for the likes of Saladin, may Allah have mercy upon him, who saved and conquered Palestine for the three Religions.

"You say you would gladly live in peace with Jews. I'm glad for you. But the fact remains that many of your fellow Muslims will settle for nothing less than the complete destruction of every Jew in Israel. So, when you get all of your Muslim brothers to agree with your peaceful views, let me know."

Considering that you are not Palestinian (I would assume!), you do not know what Palestinians think, about Arab Jews.
Mind you we did live alongside them for the longest time. We were neighbors to them, and they were neighbors to us, we treated that as Allah ordered us.

Regards.

David Wood said...

Muhammad,

The comments from Sophia were from me. I was using someone else's account, and I forgot to switch the blogger accounts.

Muhammad said: "We are talking here about Arab Jews, not European immigrants who came there in the 40s, or in the 60s."

Well, then, the people who invaded Mecca weren't really Meccans. So give the city back to the pagans please. (Note: European Jews can ultimately trace their descendents back to Israel, long before the Muslims were there.)

Muhammad said: "Can you prove that?
I think you need to review YOUR history, the Crusaders invaded Palestine and did much of the same as the Zionists are doing, killing everyone, including their own.
You as a Christian, should thank God for the likes of Saladin, may Allah have mercy upon him, who saved and conquered Palestine for the three Religions."

I think this deserves a new post.

shais ahmad said...

The Polytheist Trinitarian Pagan failed to realize that no such pagans exist today who he is crying for!! So let the person who supposedly has been robbed come forward instead of yo0u. But yet today the Palestinians exists whose land has been stolen by the Israelis in the name of God. They are being killed today only because they want their land back!!

This is how perverted your mind becomes when you read the Bible so much.

Nakdimon said...

The Polytheist Trinitarian Pagan failed to realize that no such pagans exist today who he is crying for!! So let the person who supposedly has been robbed come forward instead of yo0u. But yet today the Palestinians exists whose land has been stolen by the Israelis in the name of God. They are being killed today only because they want their land back!!

Hey smarty pants, when was Palestina for the Palestinians? Who invented that name and when? And how did it fall into Islamic hands at a certain point in time?

Maybe if you would get yourself some education in history you will be able to get the answers that are coherent to historical facts. But then again, Muslims haven’t been champs when it comes to history, right? I wonder if it had anything to do with their blackstone fondling prophet and their blackstone god, who contradict almost all historical data with every historical claim they make.

shais ahmad said...

Another Polytheist pagan showed his foolishness.

We Muslims conquered Palestine and I am proud to say that. and the people there accepted Islam.

But how about the Jews? How did they get Palestine in the first place except for robbing the Palestinians? They killed 30 kings in a day and conquered the land.

So thank you once again for exposing yourself.