JAVIER: David Wood you very well know that the Christians in Africa do this kind of act and in India hindus and Christians,Muslims marry girls at very low age which is a bit more prevailant with poor people.
So, since Christians, Muslims, and Hindus have been known to marry girls at a young age, I'm somehow being inconsistent when I point out that Muslims do it. Does this response refute my point? Not at all. My point is that Muslims demand the right to have sex with nine-year-old girls because that's what Muhammad did. A Christian would have no basis for making such an argument. Hence, there's a tremendous difference here. Christians are free to act in the best interest of women. Muslims are held back morally by the example set by Muhammad.
JAVIER: And not to mention your God=Holy spirit=jesus sexually impregnated mary at 11 or 12 and joseph who was 90 years old when he married Mary at 12. Oops isn't that pedophilia according to Christians of today which means Jesus, joseph God was pedophile ACCORDING TO YOUR LOGIC.
According to my logic? Does my logic tell me that Mary was 11 or 12? Not at all. I don't believe she was that young, though Javier may feel free to provide evidence for his claim. Until he provides evidence, all he's given us is a baseless speculation (all too common in his comments). Apart from this, I can't figure out why Muslims compare the Christian view of Joseph with the Muslim view of Muhammad. Joseph isn't the source of any Christian doctrine. In other words, it wouldn't affect Christianity in the slightest if Joseph turned out to be, say, an axe-murderer. [Note to Christian readers: I'll ignore the fact that Javier said we believe that the Holy Spirit equals Jesus. Here Javier has displayed his ignorance of Christian doctrine, but there's really no point in correcting him.]
Now here's an amazing thing. Javier gives us a link and calls it "proof" that Mary was "11 or 12." Nowhere does this article say that Mary was 11 or 12! Indeed, the only reference to Mary's age is based on apocryphal writings that say she was "twelve to fourteen years of age." However, the text also says that these apocryphal accounts are unreliable, so I'm not sure how this qualifies as "proof," in any sense of the word.
So what do we have? As proof that Mary was "11 or 12," Javier links to an article which says that unreliable accounts list her age as 12 to 14. Is there any "proof" here that Mary was 11 or 12? Not a shred. [Nor is there any proof that Joseph was "90 years old." Again, this is based on apocryphal accounts. However, if Javier is willing to grant that everything in these apocryphal accounts is correct, I'd like to share a few passages with him. If Javier is consistent, he'll have to reject Islam and become a Christian! The only alternative is for him to reject the apocrypha. But if he rejects the apocrypha, why would he point to such texts as "proof"??? Sheer inconsistency!]
JAVIER: And marrying girls at one year old is a direct violation of islamic law unless she reached puberty and is capable of making decision.
I would like for Javier to show me this law in a reliable source. Muhammad married Aisha when she was six, and she certainly hadn't reached puberty at that age. Moreover, the Qur'an disagrees with Javier on this. Surah 65:4 gives Muslims rules on how to divorce a girl who hasn't yet reached puberty. It's clear that if Muslims are allowed to divorce prepubescent girls, they are allowed to marry prepubescent girls. [Notice, everyone, that Javier makes a claim that runs contrary to both his prophet and the Qur'an. This is all too common in Islam.]
JAVIER: People in Africa, Asia tend to give away their daughter because of poverty its not an Islamic problem, its cultural problem. yes there are exceptions.
It's an Islamic problem when people refuse to act in the best interest of little girls because Muhammad is considered to be the greatest moral example in history. The United Nations has been begging Muslim countries to make laws that will protect little girls, but men who follow the example of Muhammad will always resist such laws.
JAVIER: But think about the Christian priest molesting children of all gender even males which is why the pope got really into it.
No true Christian will hesitate, for even a second, to say that these priests were sinning when they did this. Moreover, these priests certainly weren't following the example of Jesus when they molested children. Can Javier say the same about marrying young girls? Can he say (1) that Muslims who marry young girls aren't following the example of Muhammad, and (2) that men who marry young girls are sinning? I would like for Javier to say both of these.
JAVIER: And by the way Muslims countries are placing laws making it illegal to marry before 18 years of age.
Notice the generalization: "Muslim countries" (as if all Muslim countries are doing this). All Javier has said here is that Muslims in some Muslim countries, usually under pressure from the West, have decided to live better lives than Muhammad lived. Amen to that, my friends. I hope that all Muslims will reject Muhammad's example and will cease having sex with young girls.
Just to review, Javier claimed (a) that some Christians (not following the example of Jesus) have married young girls [IRRELEVANT, SINCE THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY OBJECTION]; (b) that Mary was 11 or 12 [SHEER SPECULATION, SINCE NOT EVEN THE SITE HE APPEALS TO AS "PROOF" SAYS THIS]; (c) that Muslim men may only marry girls who have reached puberty [HERE HE CONTRADICTS BOTH MUHAMMAD'S EXAMPLE AND THE QUR'AN]; (d) that this isn't a Muslim problem [DESPITE THE FACT THAT MUSLIMS ARE DEFENDING THIS PRACTICE BASED ON THE EXAMPLE OF MUHAMMAD]; (e) that certain Catholic priests have molested children [THIS RESPONSE IS SO BAD THAT IT DOESN'T EVEN QUALIFY AS A TU QUOQUE FALLACY; HE'S SIMPLY THROWN OUT A RANDOM ATTACK THAT DOES NOTHING TO ANSWER THE POINT]; and (f) that "Muslim countries" are deciding to follow the example of the West rather than the example of Muhammad [I'M NOT SURE HOW THIS HELPS HIS CASE].
The amazing thing is that, when most Muslims read a response like Javier's, they think he has thoroughly refuted the Christian argument. In reality, he has refuted absolutely nothing.