Monday, November 3, 2008

James White vs. Jalal Abualrub: "Does the New Testament Teach that Jesus Is God?"

As far as I can tell, this debate was over by the time James finished his opening statement. (One important note: Jalal admitted that God can enter into His creation.)

PART ONE

PART TWO

17 comments:

Dk said...

Yeah for Jalal to debate Christian Theology he was bound to lose, that was pitiful. I believe Jalal was completely wasted, ill equip and a very poor speaker. No doubt the same will for go for Zaatari vs White, Muslims can't debate, Shabir is the only thing that comes even close.

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

Brilliant job James, I loved it!

Fascinating that Jalal refers to Christian denominations to argue for the authorship of the Gospels. As far as I know all Christians believe that the apostles, Matthew, Mark (who dicated the apostle Peter), John, and the apostolic successor Luke (a companion of the eyewitnesses)wrote the Gospels. The argument against this is posed by the atheist scholarship that needs to propose this to avoid a reliable, historical chain of witness.

BlackBaron said...

Can't wait to see the London debates!

We'll be praying for Dr. White and you David.

Fernando said...

Idem, ibidem... may the true God of our Lord, saviour and himself God, Jesus Crist guide you both... i'l be praying...

Matthew said...

Jalal seems to be one of the more pleasant islamic debaters.

Shalim said...

Amen, i praise the Lord for people like Dr.James White he didnt even want the audience to clap for him after he made such a strong and convincive statement.

omar said...

islaam is truth

Dave Ingram said...

Wow.. couldn't follow Jalal at all. What was his point?? He really didn't have a foot to stand on in that debate. Zero evidence, zero citations, only twisted interpretations of greek words which he, by his own admission, didn't understand at all. Wow.

john said...

at the end jalal didnt want to get up and shake hands. he was starting to hate ."smiling to your face whilst cursing you in their heart"

Zack_Tiang said...

I just had to drop a comment on this debate...

Listening to this debate, I always dread when it is Jalal's turn to speak... Not that he was throwing out convincing or dreadful arguments...
but that he was just such a terrible speaker and was making no sense whatsoever in his arguments...

I salute Dr James White that he was able to maintain his cool and continue with properly debating Jalal.. I was practically ignoring Jalal whenever he speaks.

PYEM Ministry Inc. said...

Awesome. Loved the part at the end when James basically said there was absolutely no proof in the Quran to accept Muhammed as a prophet of God.

But the moment Jalal started attacking the authenticity of the Bible and claimed that we don't have the original taurat and injil, White should have quickly come up with some verses from the Quran (that clearly attests to the fact that Muhammed had access to the original and authentic and uncorrupt versions of the injil and taurat during his lifetime) and then attack and bring him down.

I believe Sam Shamoun would have made a living fool out of Jalal if he was in this debate. I am not saying White didn't do good, and I agree that Jalal intentionally used deceit and lies like typical muslims do and was not able to refute even a single argument and proof presented by White, but....

White actually doesn't attack his opponents like Sam does.

WARUNG POJOK said...

it's a funny that bro jalal accused that bible is corrupt n change here n there but can't prove it with solid n strong argument, well most in the world if you make an argument of something (accused) with no references to back it up people would call you a liar or just bluffing.

the topic of the debate is NT teach that Jesus is God, bro james presented is solid but bro jalal jump here n there pick a text that supported his argument without read all complete text n context.

why jalal always ask bro james to prove who wrote or authenticity of the NT, for what ? for generations christianity believe that NT teach about who Jesus is what he done for all mankind, if bro jalal said that Jesus only for bani israil then jesus would not do miracle to roman officer or other people outside jews since they are all gentiles but jesus did do miracles to them.

correct me if i'm wrong, is there a muslim soldier in US Army who fight in Iraq ? well if yes then bro jamal could not use the politic into religion teaching.

well put it this way, if i a gentiles / non believer then i read about Jesus born was miracle prove by prophecy also from kings from east, his teaching, miracles which beyond our thought (water to wine, walk on water, winds, fish in lake, blind to see, cripple to walk, possess by demons is release, even death would raise again.
as for jesus himself yes he died for the sake of all our sin but remember he rise n ascendant to heaven ... n then would return again not as a savior just like the first coming but as a judge for all man.

well for muhammad who came later after jesus should he do better than Jesus ? history told otherwise and he died as a normal human being and in the last his breath still doesn't know would he go to heaven or not

well let me put this way .. if there are two men want to direct me how the best way go to some place which one do i believe ? a guy who still uncertain about it or a person who already got there ?

well i think you know who would i choose ...

God Bless U All ...

Trinity325 said...

How did James put up with Jalal? Jalal is face palm worthy. Ahmed Deedat Arguments, Straw man, Misrepresentation and of course the Catholic argument which Gomerozdubar used against me. Honestly.

And I have heard of the argument of "You don't know who wrote it therefore it cannot be trusted", Used with me it was. AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRG.

Seriously, I wouldn't waste time with Jalal, it's casting pearls.

ahmed mahamed said...

Listen i will agree that James White is a good debater but so is Jalal Abualrub too. James white scored some points so did jalal abualrub too.
About your gospels in the first place why are there so many gospels. Shouldn't be just one gospel the gospel that was send to Jesus (pbuh). Like the moslims the quran that was send to prophet muhammed (pbuh) and not of John or Mark and shouldn’t bethere chains of narrations that backs up the gospels of John or Mark like the way it's done by the moslims. By the moslims you have alot of chains of narrations that backs up every story in the quran. From the time of the prophet untill now. So that you can at least prove that it's true. And storys of the people who narrated it. Thats not done by the gospels. and the quran was always preserved in arabic so that it couldn't be changed. There are translations of the quran but not in the way that is done like in the gospels. Because if you translates something from arabic to english it's not 100% accurate so thats why you have on the one page in arabic and on the other side english thats not done by the gospels. thats why it's changed over and over again. Because the gospel wasn’t send in english, german or greek it was send in Hebrew and you can not tell me that what is written in hebrew is exactly the same in greek, german or english. So that why your book are corrupted. Because you have changed it in a way that you like. And Jalal Abualrub proved that in this debate.

Trinity325 said...

LOL, You think the Gospels where written in Hebrew? That's a BAD argument, all the manuscripts of the NT are written IN GREEK. We don't have ANY Hebrew manuscript of the Gospels or the Epistles, why? Because they don't exist.

There are four Gospels and any other "gospel" is not to be accepted. I hardly think it matters that there are 4 Gospels, they contain the message of Jesus anyway.

Jesus is love said...

Lol yea and if you want the Greek check out blue letter bible where they give you the exact Greek. N the reason why you have 4 gospels is because they are all different account of one life Jesus. If there was any gospel written after a certain time then it was not accepted n it had to be written by an apostle or disciple of Jesus. O n check out Luke 24:7 which Jesus himself says that he was going to be handed over to be killed crucified n resurrect if he is a beloved prophet who doesn't lie as my good Muslim friends say then this means that if Jesus was not crucified or die it would make him a liar which Muslims don't believe in the death n crucifixion. You can check out the Greek word for word and the muslims have to believe in the gospels

Jesus Christ said...

This debate is really hard to watch. I felt sorrow for Jalal, and any Muslim in the audience.