Thursday, November 20, 2008

James White on the Inconsistency of Shabir Ally

Earlier this week, James White debated Shabir Ally in London. As usual, James drew attention to the inconsistency of Muslim apologists. Shabir appeals to radical anti-supernaturalist scholars when he discusses the Bible, and yet he would never think of applying the standards of "orientalists" to the Qur'an. Amazingly, Shabir criticizes Christian debaters for the very inconsistency he is guilty of (and, thus, he is inconsistent in his condemnation of inconsistency). Even more amazing, Shabir defends his application of double standards (but would never accept such an absurd defense of double standards from Christians). One has to wonder: If one of Islam's top debaters acknowledges that he cannot attack Christianity without applying double standards, what does this say about his position?



Click here for some commentary by James White.

4 comments:

THE STUDENT said...

FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT SHABIR ALLY MIGHT BE A ISLAMS TOP DEBATER, YEA! WHEN IT COMES TO USING DOUBLE STANDARDS AND PICK AND CHOSING VERSES OUT THE THE BIBLE, LIKE HE DID WHEN DEBATED SAM SHAMOUN, BUT AS FAR AS A TOP DEBATER HE IS FAR FROM IT, HIS STANDARDS CAN'T BE USE AGAINST THE QURAN CAUSE HE WOULDNT AGREE AT ALL. MUSLIMS HAVE NEVER CAME WITH ANY CONVINCING EVIDENCE TO DENY THE BIBLE AND FOLLOW THE TEACHINGS OF THE QURAN. IT LIKE THEY IGNORE THE BIBLE AS A WHOLE BUT REFER TO VERSES THEY THINK THAT PROVE MUHMMAD AS A PROHET OR TRY TO PROVE THAT JESUS ISNT GOD. LAST BUT NOT LEAST WHY IS IT MUSLIM MIS REPRESENT THE (DOCTRINE OF TRINTY) ALL THE TIME!!!!! ITS ONE THING NOT TO UNDERSTAND IT OKAY, BUT TO MISREPRESENT THE DOCTRINE. NOT EVEN SHABIR ALLY UNDERSTANDS TRINTY CAUSE HE WILL NEVER ASK "IF JESUS IS GOD WHO WAS RULING THE WORLD FOR THREE DAYS"?

Anonymous said...

What surprises me however is that some christians feel that attack the Qur'an n this particular way. And they don't realize that it shoots themselves in the foot when they use this method because the same method also disproves the Bible.

Shabir Ally admits that islam is disproven!

Nazam said...
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Nazam said...

Hi,

Here are the links to the two rejoinders that Shabir Ally wrote to James White subsequent the debate.

1. Reflections on the Ally - White Double Debate.

http://shabirally.wordpress.com
/2008/12/29/reflections-on-the
-ally-white-double-debate/

2. On Consistency of Muslim - Christian Debates

http://shabirally.wordpress.com
/2008/12/29/on-consistency-in-
muslim-christian-debates-3/