Sunday, July 10, 2016
Complete Hyde Park Encounter, with Commentary by Jonathan McLatchie and Vladimir Susic
My good friend Vladimir Susic and I had much fun making this commentary on my recent discussion at Speaker's Corner in Hyde Park with Paul Williams and Mansoor Ahmed. The video commentary exposes in detail the numerous mistakes and blunders of those Muslim polemicists. Enjoy!
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Listening to Muslims say things like "Shouldn't God have said this" or "Why would God do this or that" reminds me of Job 38
"Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone—
while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels shouted for joy?
“Who shut up the sea behind doors
when it burst forth from the womb,
when I made the clouds its garment
and wrapped it in thick darkness,
when I fixed limits for it
and set its doors and bars in place,
when I said, ‘This far you may come and no farther;
here is where your proud waves halt’?
“Have you ever given orders to the morning,
or shown the dawn its place,
that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?
The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
its features stand out like those of a garment.
The wicked are denied their light,
and their upraised arm is broken.
“Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
Have the gates of death been shown to you?
Have you seen the gates of the deepest darkness?
Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
Tell me, if you know all this.
“What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?
Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
Surely you know, for you were already born!
You have lived so many years!
“Have you entered the storehouses of the snow
or seen the storehouses of the hail,
which I reserve for times of trouble,
for days of war and battle?
What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed,
or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?
Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain,
and a path for the thunderstorm,
to water a land where no one lives,
an uninhabited desert,
to satisfy a desolate wasteland
and make it sprout with grass?
Does the rain have a father?
Who fathers the drops of dew?
From whose womb comes the ice?
Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens
when the waters become hard as stone,
when the surface of the deep is frozen?
“Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades?
Can you loosen Orion’s belt?
Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons
or lead out the Bear with its cubs?
Do you know the laws of the heavens?
Can you set up God’s dominion over the earth?
“Can you raise your voice to the clouds
and cover yourself with a flood of water?
Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
Do they report to you, ‘Here we are’?
Who gives the ibis wisdom
or gives the rooster understanding?
Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens
when the dust becomes hard
and the clods of earth stick together?
“Do you hunt the prey for the lioness
and satisfy the hunger of the lions
when they crouch in their dens
or lie in wait in a thicket?
Who provides food for the raven
when its young cry out to God
and wander about for lack of food?"
And when ever I hear a Muslim say "How can I be judged..." It proves that Muslims are vessels made for dishonorable use, vessels made for destruction.
"One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’” Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?
I don't think Paul Williams believes a single word he says. He's like a sad fanboy who hangs out with the band and tries to impress them with his musical knowledge. Like a creepy middle-aged Belieber.
A very strange cove.
This was well worth the 2 and a half hours listen. Jonathan and Vlad you two should do this more often. Deconstructing muslim arguments.
When Mansur kept going on about "If the Father is fully God then if the Spirit is missing does that make him less than God" nonsense, I kept thinking of what we learned in Sunday School. Water is 100% H2O. Gas is 100% H2O. Ice is 100$ H2O. All three are 100% H2O.
Williams has lost all credibility. When he was challenged about the early fathers belief in the trinity and was shown to be wrong. He said the word trinity isn't in there. O dear, the word bible isn't in the bible.
One thing I wanted to raise with you is that when you were asked whether there is one verse that affirms the trinity? You said it is cumulative over the bible. Which is right but doesn't Matthew 28:19 contain the trinity in one verse?
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