Wednesday, February 10, 2016

Debate: Crucifixion of Jesus: Fact or Fiction? Tony Costa vs. Kareem Abu Zaid

My debate with Sheik Kareem Abu Zaid on the Trinity Channel on the topic of the crucifixion of Jesus has now been posted.


TheBurwellFamilyTravels said...

The Sheik does not seem to realize that the crucifixion of Jesus was fulfilling of the law and the prophets.

Unknown said...

Sheik Kareem is right in saying in this video debate that believing a person’s statement need eye witness account. I wonder why Sheik believed Muhammad who had no eyewitness to proof that Angel Gabriel gave him the whole Quran by 25 years and it was written by his Allah. Whereas we find in the Bible and Sheik also believe that Jesus did all miracles in front of multiple people during His life time. Moreover all four Gospels were written by four Disciples of Christ, who were with Jesus and bore eyewitness recording what they saw living with Jesus. Central message of Jesus' ministry written by Paul is not contradictory to four Gospel written by four Disciples. It is not sensible that Sheik being a learned person find it difficult to believe four people’s witness about Jesus but believe Muhammad’s story of receiving Quran by Angel Gabriel. It is inconsistence to his judgement and makes no sense.

TheBurwellFamilyTravels said...

what kind of logic asserts that Jesus was not crucified, because Paul and Peter had a disagreement?

T said...

Kareem seemed pretty zealous but it also looked like he was listening to what was being said. I'll pray his growing knowledge of the truth is used to convict him.

I only wish they had more time to respond to each other, but I know being there for 2 hours must be rough.

Unknown said...

Dear Tony,

It wasn't a surprise that Kareem kept going off topic like a derailed train and didn't show any historical evidence except 'the quran says Jesus wasn't crucifed' and we believe it. He seems to have Paulofobia, just kept blaming Paul. You got to give him credit for three things:
- Inventing a new concept called Gentile theology. Looks like this concept was glaringly obvious and none of the believers in Christ ever spotted it (Tongue in cheek)
- Being going off topic.
- Presenting zero evidence.
Overall you did a really good job and so did the moderator especially when he asked Kareem to stick to the topic. You could see him fuming hahaha.

God bless you and all at Trinity Channel.

Tom said...

Surely Dr Tony kept to the topic, while sheik, was just spouting out heresay,
muslim "talking points" away from topic.

Brillant, Dr Tony to remind muslims that atonemant is based on the Old Testament!

Jesus appeared to Paul on the road to Damascus.... so this sheik's claim that Paul did not meet Jesus is a total Lie!
We MUST remind muslims that Jesus, THE Son of God appeared PERSONALLY to Paul!

If you brush aside Jesus, The Son of God's appearance to Paul .. then they have to apply that standard to a so called "angel" appearing to muhhamad where the koran does not record ANY witnesses to that event!
There were witnesses when Jesus appeared to Paul... show us who was with muhmmad in the cave, BASED on the koran??

One other critical event that took place BEFORE the crucifixion is the Scourging!
muslims AND koran are both silent on this critical event!
Details are AGAIN recorded in the Bible.

The topic is the Crucifixon of Jesus... did shiek deal with the Topic... NOT at ALL!

TheBurwellFamilyTravels said...

Not sure how the sheikh thinks Matthew 5:17 is an argument against the crucifixion. The crucifixion was part of Jesus fulfilling the law and the prophets. The prophets foretold His substitutionary death , the law depicted it in sacrifices for sin and Jesus fulfilled them in His willing death for our sin.

Dacritic said...

It seems to me that the only group of people left that still want to argue about this topic are the Muslims... Just because their religion disagrees with basically everyone else on this.

Unknown said...

I pray, Lord Jesus, your protection around all those who hear Your Word, for Your Word does not return void. May the Word not be stolen from the hearts of your chosen, whose hearts you have prepared for this message. Amen.

Unknown said...

The speaker in this debate spoke in this video of Paul having a disagreement with Barnabas and a couple things must be pointed out concerning the matter.

First, this instance was not an instance of disagreement in the message, it was a disagreement about taking John Mark with them, since he had previously deserted them and not continued with them preaching the gospel.

Acts 15:37-39: Barnabas wanted to take John, called Mark, along with them also.But Paul kept insisting that they should not take him along who had deserted them in Pamphylia and had not gone with them to the work (of preaching). And there occurred such a sharp disagreement that they separated from one another, and Barnabas took Mark with him and sailed away to Cyprus.

Later, this disagreement was resolved, and all forgiveness was given and brotherhood thrived among them again. You will find praise of John Mark later on, in Colossians 4:10

"My fellow prisoner Aristarchus sends you his greetings, as does John Mark, the cousin of Barnabas. (You have received instructions about him; if he comes to you, welcome him.)"

So, due to John Mark's unfaithfulness in preaching the good news with Paul and their companions there was a disagreement that was later healed.

This instance stands in sharp contrast to the disagreement between Yazid and Hassan, which ended in the slaughter of Hassan and his family, which Sunni scholars believe to have been nothing more than a forgivable disagreement (As Yazid was Caliph), OR to which some scholars teach it may have even been the fault of Hassan, the grandson of Mohammed, who was raised in the house of Mohammed, whose father was raised in the house of Mohammed, whose mother was the daughter of Mohammed.

So, to say that Christians are not allowed to disagree and later make ammends and that is somehow not godly and diminishes Paul's message, yet Muslims can slaughter each others families, even the family of your prophet yet that is godly and does not diminish the message, is a paradox of utter hypocrisy.

People will have some few disagreements, but those who slaughter the ones they disagree with, verses those who make up, is a sharp contrast in and of itself. Paul disagreeing with Barnabas about taking someone to preach the Gospel who had before left them instead of continuing on in the work of preaching to the lost, is not at all any sort of proof that Paul's message was not from God - but rather, that Paul, John Mark, and Barnabas were human beings, just one's with a message, not perfect.

Unknown said...

As to what Peter thought of Paul, Peter said:

And remember, our Lord's patience gives people time to be saved. This is what our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you with the wisdom God gave him - speaking of these things in all of his letters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard.

This is what Peter had to say, that Paul's writings and sayings were written and said with the wisdom given him by God. This is confirmation of Paul's message being accepted by the apostles, who knew Jesus personally.

There is but one message, and the heart of that message is that is Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the Messiah, the Son of the living God, who was crucified, died, and rose again on the third day for the remission of sins.

Galatians 1:8 "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!."

Don't let men of many words confuse you. This message was preached from Jesus, from the apostles, from Paul, and from all true Christians. This is what the deceivers don't want you to zero in on, they want to distort this by telling you all manner of lies, whether about Paul, or about the Bible, or about Peter; its to distract you, to keep you from hearing this message. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

Jesus said, "My sheep hear My voice". Are you his sheep? Can you feel Him pulling you toward Him? Jesus is alive and He is your Savior, if you but ask.

Ask Him, to come into your heart as Lord and Savior, and forgive you of your sins. He is right there with you even in the darkness. Only with the door of your heart open to Him, can He come all the way in. So just ask.

“The Lord bless you and keep you; The Lord make His face shine upon you,
And be gracious to you; The Lord lift up His countenance upon you, And give you peace.”’

shabsdc said...

Did crucifixion take place? Well ofc it took place coz both Bible n Quran says so.. a person who dies on the cross is now the actual issue is whether Jesus died on the cross or not...well everyone believed he died...jews boosted they killed Jesus...Jesus being a human died on the cross so he s accursed..inorder to change that, a God dying on the cross is not accursed its for the sins of humanity..tats how Jesus turned to be a god.. Jesus not even once called himself god..muslims can't make Jesus god coz they believe in one god Allah, since they couldn kill the prophet they replaced him with someone else..both cases are somehow one Jesus the God turns imposter n the other Allah becomes deceiver (God Forbid )..The victory of Jesus would definitely be when he survives crucifixion and tells his disciples that my God saved me n i didn't die an accursed death coz i m a true prophet.....

lets check wat Jesus said..Matt 12:38-41.. Jesus s stating when asked for a sign that he'll be going through the same lik Jonah..."... For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth..."So we all believe that Jonah survived from the belly of the fish..and Jesus died on the cross(which Jesus knew before itself that he would die)..what sort of a sign was Jesus talking about?
As per Christian belief Jesus came to sacrifice his life for others sins..Matt 26:36-43 Jesus was worried and was crying instead he should have rejoiced coz the event has finally reached for what he came on earth n finally he could join his Father in the heaven...
Matt 27:46 why was Jesus crying to God asking why have you forsaken me? When he already knew everything...