Wednesday, July 8, 2015

Willy Wonka and the Prophet Factory Revisited

Seven years ago, I posted a short article titled "Willy Wonka and the Prophet Factory." I thought it would make a good video:

42 comments:

Nojmul Huda said...

It is interesting analogy for Muhammad’s claim as prophet by Quran’s superior literacy and melody; and Willy Wonka’s claim as Prophet for his new religion by his delicious Chocolate claimed to be product from Allah because of its superior quality and test. Children love Wonka’s Chocolate and believe him as prophet.

Unruly people who love violent, sex, injustice etc. love Muhammad for opening up gates for vice and believe him. They enjoy what ISIS is enjoying in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Middle East countries etc. and do not protests seriously against ISIS as they do if somebody insult Muhammad.

I wish this parody would turn Muslim’s 6th sense to judge faith by reasons and signs from divine to avoid scheme from devil.

Luke Martin said...

Hey David,

Can you post a link in reply to me with those tracts you made for Muslims? I believe there were two; one about the Koran being corrupted and one about 'Where in the Bible that Jesus was God and to worship Him?'. Do you have an email?

Thanks,
Luke

David Wood said...

I need your email address.

Osama Abdallah said...

Hi David,

I challenge you to a debate on "special Moral privileges in the Bible and Quran", where I will show you that the things you attack Islam have similar or worse exist in the Bible. I also would like to debate you on Taqiyyah in the Bible and Islam as well. I also challenge you or Sam Shamoun on the topic of "Female prisoners of war in the Bible and Islam".

I also would like to do round 2 with you on "Is the Quran a Scientific Miracle?" debate. So the topics that I am challenging you to debate me on are:

1- Are the Bible and the Quran similar on the Special Moral Privileges to Prophets?
2- Does Islam's Taqiyyah also exist in the Bible?
3- Treatment of Female Captives in the Bible and Islam.
4- Is the Quran a Scientific Miracle?


If you accept, then I am ready to do them within a month (I request 4 weeks notice). Feel free to name any state within the US or Canada to host the debates in, and I will be there, Insha'Allah. I will pay for all of my expenses. Please make sure that the debates are only on weekends. I can't do weekdays.

I look forward to your response.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Osama Abdallah said...

If the debates are too much for you for one weekend, then feel free to bring in other debaters of your choice. Any and all are welcomed. And I will let you choose the debates' formats since you would coordinate with the Church the times for the debates.

I look forward to your acceptance.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

King Harkinian II said...

Oh boy, are we off to the races now. Let me get my popcorn...

Foolster41 said...

Wait, the bible is morally worse that the Qouran, but the Qouran says the bible is from God, and claims to be a fulfilment of the bible.

Oh, right, the unicorn called the "Quouranic bible" even though no such text of the bible exists that conforms with the Qouran (e.g. agreeing that Jesus didn't die, Jesus wasn't God etc.), despite the fact that we have copies of biblical texts from before mohamamd's time (2 BC) that do not agree with the Qouran, so this claim makes no sense.

Of course no Muslim has answered this problem, so I look forward to hearing you explain this.

Charlie said...

@Osama - why do these debates always have to be in a Church? Why not in a mosque or is it because you are forbidden from questioning it?

Royal Son said...

Osama, you cannot debate. I saw your performance against Sam, Anthony and Eddie and it was abysmal. You wasted everyone's time with your disregard for the rules of debate and inability to interact with the content. Please do yourself a favour and stick to spaghetti making instead of debating.

jay shawn said...

Osama the conspiracy theorist wants another debate? I wonder how much twisting of the quranic arabic is necessary to produce a scientific miracle narrative and passage of peace. Osama the fruits of your prophet make the news daily. Time to give them dawah. Not us.

Kafir and proud

Gazza Sloane said...

This will be...entertaining.

Nojmul Huda said...

@ Osama Abdallah,

I believe you have at least one accredited college degree. But your argument in this blog as well as your previous debate I watched, it looks like you are madrassa educated, illiterate and do not have junior level school education.

I know madrassas do not teach pupils general science, math, literature etc. Only they are taught to believe Quran, no matter what garbage written in the Quran. They are not taught reasoning to believe unseen truth. There are many madrassa which teach moon is holy place men did not land there yet. You are one of them like children of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate factory who like Quran for its melody and do not care what Muhammad performed during his life time evil or holy work.

Before you go to debate with Dr. Wood, tell us why did Muhammad and his Allah not keep any third person eye witness account to support Muhammad’s statement in the Quran as word from Allah, not from Muhammad’s self-made word to enjoy wife of his adopted son, and enjoy nine wives but allow you to marry only 4? Is it not favoritism?

Muhammad knew Holy God talked with Moses in front of people in Mount Sinai, divided water of Red Sea to pass thru Israelis, etc. etc. God witnessed Jesus as His Son in front of people while Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist. When Jesus was transfigured in a Mountain and met with Moses, and Alijah Peter and John was Jesus’ witness for His godly behavior. But Muhammad met Moses in Shab e-Meraj without any witness and flew from Mecca to Jerusalem by dream and occupied Holy Land by black magic and made the whole world fool as third holy place. This you, Osama call Quran a scientific miracle, by dream you can occupy other’s land. Great miraculous sign to believe Muhammad as prophet!

Shame on you, for your academic degree if you have any!

Christlike said...

Hi Prof David, why should the burden of venue be always on you, He should look for a mosque and invite you, He Osama wants a debate not you, Besides I don't see the point in debating this serial liar called Osama, Allah has revealed to him just like his prophet to spread falsehood till eternity. His mouth and heart speaks against the Bible, when you point to him how feeble,corrupt and contradictory his Koran is... The same Bible then becomes his escape route. You see where am coming from? People of the ilk of Osama have no shame, they kiss black stone,dance around it and venerate it, yet deny they are pagans and accuse others of paganism when they themselves are deep neck involved in the most ugly pagan ritual in human history.The difference between what they practice and say is one and same lying and evil worship... Mohammadan Muslims.

Osama Abdallah said...

@Christlike,

Visit this link to see the real Holy Stones in the Bible: www.answering-christianity.com/black_stone.htm. We don't worship any stone or object, nor is any object holy. The House of Allah Almighty, the Kaaba, is no more than a unified point for our Prayers' directions. And this was prophesied in the Old Scriptures as well.

As to all of your other crap, it's not worthy of replying to. But if you're so tough, how about accepting my challenge to you to debate me on "Is the Bible the True Word of GOD Almighty?" on paltalk?

Let me think... You're going to hide behind the excuse of me not worth debating. Right? You follow nothing but conjecture. Your religion is a man-made conclusion, and you're downed in ignorance, polytheism and blasphemies. Plus, you're arrogant.

Osama Abdallah

DowerDower77 said...

@David Wood could u create a blog called Jesus v.s. Zoroaster, disputing the claim that the bible was copied from Zoroastrianism.

Thank You In Advance

David Wood

Osama Abdallah said...

David. I can thoroughly demonstrate and prove that Prophet Muhammad's Privileges prove Islam to be the Divine Truth from GOD Almighy.

I hope you are willing to defend your claims in a debate and not turn this down. After all, you yourself said before that you love to do debates with Muslims. I can show you that the very things you attack Islam on actually prove Islam.

David Wood said...

Osama, I agree with Charlie and Christlike that you need to start taking care of venues if you want to debate. Set it up in a mosque and I'll be there. We can do multiple debates on the same weekend if you like.

Osama Abdallah said...

Hi David. Sure. I will do my best :>). I haven't done this before, so I will contact all of the people I know from both the Muslims and Christians sides. I recall now that you once said that it was very time consuming to setup those debates. Didn't mean to sound lazy :). I just thought you had better connections. But I will work on setting it up and get back with you.

Thanks,
Osama Abdallah

Nojmul Huda said...

@ Osama Abdallah,

Why did you not answer Charlie's question to arrange debate in a mosque to remove doubt that mosques are afraid to bring debate in Mosques on Quran lest Quran's real truth should come out into light and Muslims loss their faith on Quran? You claim Quran is a miracle scientific book, and science is proven truth anywhere in this Universe with same result, so why do you fear to debate in a mosque?

Another point I like to mention is that to proof your reference in the Bible, you should show people Mohammad’s version of the Bible, for example you referred black stone you worship is written in the Bible. If Muslims don’t have Muhammad’s version of the Bible, you should ask your Allah to give one, because he can do anything, anytime. Otherwise your point saying current Bible is manmade is useless point without evidence. It is matter of commonsense, isn't it? Good luck!

Osama Abdallah said...

Najmul nonsense and waste of text. The Mosques are not afraid of debating. They decline because of political and social reasons. Even in the Middle East these debates arent allowed.

Jericho Fallen said...

Osama said...

Visit this link to see the real Holy Stones in the Bible: www.answering-christianity.com/black_stone.htm. We don't worship any stone or object, nor is any object holy. The House of Allah Almighty, the Kaaba, is no more than a unified point for our Prayers' directions. And this was prophesied in the Old Scriptures as well.


Seems to me the muslims have no problem denying their own scriptures and believe just to win a point. So sad shame.

From what we can see the so called kabbah is more then just a unified point and the blackstone is much more then what the muslim want us to believe. I agree with Christlike these pagan muslims cannot be regarded as muslims if they fail to walk around the pagan kabbah with its pagan rituals. After all allah himself stole the pagan rituals from the so called ignorants of pre islam and sanitized it for the current muslims.

Even his own islamic sources is against this pagan abdallah. So sad shame.

Im so curious where does the old testament prophesy a pagan ritual for islam. How desperate the muslims are to always use other religions to justify their pagan cult. Follow the evidence muslims.

He who touches the blackstone in fact touches the hand of allah:
Sunaan ibn majah 4:2957.

The kabah will have allah's eyes: Sunaan ibn majah 4:2944


Sahih Bukhari Volume 002, Book
026, Hadith Number 710.
Narated By 'Asim : I asked Anas bin
Malik: "Did you use to dislike to
perform Tawaf between Safa and
Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of
the ceremonies of the days of the
Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till
Allah revealed: 'Verily! (The two
mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa
are among the symbols of Allah. It is
therefore no sin for him who
performs the pilgrimage to the
Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to
perform Tawaf between
them.

Osama Abdallah said...

Jericho, the cicumumbulation 7 times around GOD Almighty's House is also in your Bible. You're ignorant and end up insulting your own Scriptures. Visit the link above for the proofs.

Osama Abdallah said...

Jerico, the pagan Arabs incorporated previous geniun practices in their pagan religions. Islam came to restore the original Faith. And the Arabs were perfect candidates because they had no previous nor corrupt scriptures. They were fresh and ready for a new Prophet and Islam. And the Bible thoroughly speaks about the Arabs and their new Covenant to come. Visit www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm. peace to you and to everyone.

Charlie said...

@Osama - "Najmul nonsense and waste of text. The Mosques are not afraid of debating. They decline because of political and social reasons. Even in the Middle East these debates arent allowed."

So basically yes, all muslims must blindly believe your texts without question. Thanks, that's all I wanted to know.

Nojmul Huda said...

@ Osama Abdallah,

Thanks for your reply and sharing your experience about mosque and restriction. But my experience in Muslim majority country I found that only very few mosques allow non-Muslim to enter into Mosque. In Mecca and Medina, non-Muslims are not allowed to enter. In USA, Europe, Muslims use National Cathedrals to pray Islamic prayer but Muslims do not allow Christians to pray in their Mosque. How do you interpret this discrepancy even in Christian majority country. I would appreciate your reply being a educated Muslim. Thanks

Christlike said...

@Jericho Fallen, thanks for the hadith's you just posted exposing Osama and his lies, I visited Osama's site a couple of times and was amazed at the level of falsehood he pours on his site for his gullible Muslims, He even accused the Jews of corrupting the most authentic hadiths of Muslims.....Bukhari, at that point I concluded this is the son from the pit of hell.

Paige said...

Dear Osama,

You wrote: "I can thoroughly demonstrate and prove that Prophet Muhammad's Privileges prove Islam to be the Divine Truth from GOD Almighy."

I'm not suggesting you don't go ahead with the debate, but even before you've begun you've established that Islam is a religion in which a fallible imperfect man can "prove" not only Islam, but God Himself. That is after all what you've just claimed, isn't it?

Now I can give abundant evidence for my faith, and put forward an extremely compelling and supported argument, but not in a million years would I dare to claim that I can provide 100% undeniable evidence than cannot be refuted under any circumstances. I am 100% convinced on the basis of that evidence that God exists and that I am His child, but this is not the same thing as 'proof'.

This means of course that you will also be bringing along proof to "thoroughly demonstrate" that the Qur'an is from the God, as without proving your source, you cannot prove your theory (or 'fact', as you assert). So I'd start getting your hard evidence together as soon as possible.

Good luck to you, Osama. If you're successful, you'll not only have beaten David but you'll have done what no man in history has ever been able to do. Allah will unquestionably be in your debt for at last proving that he is real. Whether anyone would want to follow a god or a religion that can be proved like a high school science experiment is another matter.

Jericho Fallen said...

@ Osama

No dear Sir, I'm not insulting my own scriptures I'm actually questioning your logic and your supposed religion called islam. If by any chance you refer to the circumambulation that was performed by Joshua and his men for the destruction of Jericho then you're very desperate to use the bible to validate your "religion". We all know what happened to Jericho after the seventh circumambulation by Joshua and his men. The walls came tumbling down. Now why is the kabbah still standing and not fallen if this is the same rituals performed by muslims? Laughable indeed

Also notice how this instruction of circumambulation was given only to Joshua to perform and not the whole jewish or later christian community. This was given to Joshua only as a once off instruction and not as a ritualistic practice as claimed in pagan islam

Secondly, what previous genuine practices did the pagans steal from who? Pagans were the only once that actually followed these practices before muhammad candy coated them for islam. Did islam merely take back from the pagans that which was taken from "islam" previously? There's no record that a genuine religion ever used these practices at all.

What did islam come to restore that was not already fulfilled in christianity. Christianity already inculcated morals into people for a good 600 year before muhammad came to "restore" stoning, cutting of hands, killing apostates, sex outside of marriage and the approval of illegitimate children, persecution of other faiths and killing them if they don't submit. No dear Osama, muhammad brought total chaos and destruction to satisfy his own blood lust under the guise of a religion. In fact there is nothing good that muhammad brought for mankind that wasn't already in place some 600 years before he conjured up islam.

Again a false claim made with an invalid ticket. The arabs has no claim or benefit under the covenant at all. In Genesis 17:19-21 Our God himself establishes the covenant with Isaac and his descendants. In Jeremiah 31:33 its also clearly prophesied that he will establish his covenant with Israel and he will be "their" God not islam's. In fact there is clear scripture of who the arabs really are long after the covenant with Abraham and Isaac. Let's look at that.

Psalm 83:1-6 (NIV) O God, do not remain silent; do not turn a deaf ear,
do not stand aloof, O God. 2
See how your ENEMIES growl,
how your foes rear their heads.
3 With cunning they conspire against
YOUR PEOPLE; they plot against those YOU cherish. 4 "Come," THEY say, "let us DESTROY them as a nation,
so that Israel's name is remembered
no more." 5 With one mind they plot together; they form an ALLIANCE against YOU-6 the tents of Edom and the
ISHMAELITES, of Moab and the HAGRITES,



My final remark...

2 Timothy 3:12-13 Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be
persecuted, while evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.


In Christ, for Christ, by Christ

TPaul said...

Osama says"...cicumumbulation 7 times around GOD Almighty's House is also in your Bible..."

Where exactly? Will you stop spewing your lies here.... No one will fall for it.

Osama Abdallah said...

Najmul Huda. The Mosques are open to all. Its when Prayer time is on then only Muslims can Pray. Otherwise they always have them open for all and give plenty of Islamic lessons for all. Besides, you cant always tell who is Muslim and who isnt. They dont have guards checking people.

Osama Abdallah said...

TPaul. Again, visit the link above. It is there in the Bible.

TPaul said...

@Jericho, You hit the nail on the head with your response to Osama regarding the alleged circumambulation found in the Bible. It's a lie that Osama is trying to pan off.

This is what Osama on his website is using as evidence from Joshua... Read
"...Joshua 16: The seventh time around, when the priests sounded the trumpet blast, Joshua commanded the army, “Shout! For the Lord has given you the city!"

It's pathetic when desperate Islamic apologists dig for scant clues on the Bible to find something.... anything relevant to prove the concoction of Mohammed true. Their desperation is obvious, but not to these blind idiots, for if they truly had to study the verses they quote in defence to their lies, they would realize that it would actually prove the opposite of their intended reasoning.

For example here Osama cleverly (or deviously) stopped at verse 16 to prove his point. If we read the chapter with all the verses Infact we would realize that when Joshua and his army circled round the city it was not for the prop purpose of worship but rather it was for war.
Let's read on in Joshua....
"20 When the trumpets sounded, the army shouted, and at the sound of the trumpet, when the men gave a loud shout, the wall collapsed; so everyone charged straight in, and they took the city."

It is ironic because other Muslim apologists will use the later verse from the same to condemn YHWH of brutality...

"21 They devoted the city to the Lord and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys...."

Yet we find Osama trying his best to make his pagan religion relevant to worshippers of the one true God....

Shame on you Osama...

jay shawn said...

Osama why are you trying so hard to make islam appear as if its Christianity and muad as if he was jesus? Your religion is satanic. The name of your prophet makes me want to puke. I get the same reaction when i hear the name hitler.

Nojmul Huda said...

Thanks Osama Abdallah. You said non-Muslims (Kefirs) are allowed to learn Islam at mosque but not allowed while Muslim pray in their Mosque. Can Christians (Kefirs) pray at a mosque, as Muslims pray in a Cathedral, church or University Chapel etc.? Thanks again!

jay shawn said...

Deep down every muslim knoww that jesus OWNS muhamnad

Tom said...

@Osama Abdallah

Sheer desperation.. That black structure in mecca is for directional purposes, says osama.. without that structure.. muslims have no clue where mecca is.. or maybe they are afraid without that black structure holding mecca down, it will physically start to shift/move.. towards "Rome"!!

Dear brother Wood,
We know that you have a different take on this matter, but this muslim at this point is not going to be productive to debate with!
He has a different agenda under the guise of debating.. as he just wants to continue in the footsteps of his false prophet muhammad, inspired by the father of lies, satan to condemn God's chosen, the Nation of Israel!

Foolster41 said...

If it's anything I've learned about Osama is he won't back down from his lies/misrepresentations. That's apparent here, A lot of times he'll just disconnect his phone and leave town for the week (cookie to those who get the reference).

"TPaul. Again, visit the link above. It is there in the Bible."
Of course this is technically true that going in circles 7 times around a thing IS in the bible, but as others have already pointed out this is pretty blatently misrepresenting what happened (i.e. Jericho wasn't a place of worship, butr an enemy). But this is the Modus Operandi of Osama.

I keep praying that his dishonesty will make him finally think about why he would have to use dishonesty to defend something that is true if it were true, or maybe realize that in his heart he doesn't really believe it after all, and for whatever reason is clinging to it.

TPaul said...

@Osama, "TPaul. Again, visit the link above. It is there in the Bible...."

Osama, Again I am sorry to say that the link to your website is bogus and filled with falsehoods, the information is as useful to Christians as a screen-door in a submarine.

Osama, You know full well you butchered the verse out of it's context and that the circumambulation around the walls of Jericho was for the purposes of WAR NOT WORSHIP,(Although, admittedly in Islam, with allah, warmongering is a form of worship too)..... How hard is for you to comprehend this simple fact? the only thing left would be the number 7...

Islam has more in common with Hinduism and Bhuddism in regards to it's method of worship, rather than traditional Judaism. Osama, Please read.... the practice is called "Paradaksina"

"Most Hindu temple structures include various Pradaksina paths. Pradaksina paths are defined.[4] as:

Circumbulatory or pathway around the shrine of the temples by keeping time is a common form of prayer in India. This pathway made of stone around the shrine is called Pradakshina path."

"...In the Buddhist religious structure, since early days, Circumambulation or Pradakhshina has been an important ritual. Sacred structure, stupa or images have essentially a pradakhshina path around it...."

"Similarity and difference with Islam

Like Parikrama in Hinduism, Muslims perform circumambulation around Kaaba during their Hajj which they call tawaf.[23] The circumambulation during Hajj is done in a counterclockwise manner.[24] Hindu and Buddhist traditions, in contrast, circumambulate clockwise...."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parikrama

Arab pagans adhered to some form of idol worship similar to Hinduism, where the spiritual transition from daily life to spiritual perfection was like a journey through stages starting at the sanctuary doorway and moving inward toward the inner sanctum where the deities were enshrined.... This pagan ritual still remains in Islam, even after Mohammed voided the kaaba of the idols.

No such nonsensical form of idol worship was ever required by YHWH, and Muslim apologists like Obama have to concoct and invent stories in order to align Islam with the original Abrahamic faiths.

Folks, It is abundantly clear that brother Osama Abdullah suffers from some form of cognitive dissonance. When confronted with information that is inconsistent with his beliefs, Osama resorts to rejection or refutation of the information, seeking support from self made conspiracy theories, attempting to persuade others with his lies.

Let us pray that the Lord heal his mental disorder and draw him to Himself.... The only Way, the Truth and the Life.

jay shawn said...

Foolster, muslims are some of the most stubborn people on the planet. Their indoctrination starts young. A lifetime of repetitions during prayers 5 times a day hardens you, despite the falsehood. Muslims turn off their thinking faculties and get aggressive when challenged. What are they so afraid of? And oh.....muhammad was a grade A POS

Paige said...

Dear Jay Shawn,

I know that you have chosen to express your frustration, but your comment that "deep down every Muslims knows that Jesus owns Mohammad" is not correct. They are millions of Muslims who are sincerely dedicated to their beliefs that Mohammad was the final prophet of Allah come to set things straight.

To know what is deep down in someone's heart requires a level of understanding and patience that is, however, well worth working towards. You may be surprised by what you find when you look that deep.

Dear Osama,

I am diametrically opposed to your beliefs about God and faith, but you are God's creation and when Jesus said the words "It is finished", He meant the work that He needed to do so that you could be saved. You were the subject of that great work, despite your inability right now to know this.

I do not have the same reaction that Jay Shawn does when I hear your name, your name leads me to pray, not out of pity but so you might know what "It is finished" means for you. Osama is actually a very noble arabic name which means lion-like, I believe.

If reading your posts means there is a chance for your salvation or the salvation of any Muslim, I will read them every day for the rest of my life. The same thing goes for debates. If one person might be saved then it is more than worth it!

One day I hope you will have those lion-like qualities to serve a God who you will not need to "prove" to anyone. I suspect this is why you do not understand Jesus, because He loves with an intensity that cannot be reduced to a human equation.

I pray that you will one day meet the true Lord of lions.

CarlPanzram7390 said...

Osama Abdullah. Give it up. You're a taqqiyah tactician. You just want to justify brutal islam for the sake of argument. Not for the sake of truth. Islam is heavily derived from paganism. Islamic history proved that Muslims prayed to the kaba while there was 360 idols in there. Not to mention that the kaba wasn't the first direction prayed to. They first faced Jerusalem. Can you explain why? That strikes me odd.

Muslims have double standards that they are going to have to face at some time in their life.

patricia300100 said...

@Osama Abdallah Did you say the Kaaba was Allah s house? Is this Islamic teaching?