Tuesday, February 24, 2015

Muslim Student Mohammad Hossain Arrested for Torturing Woman in "Fifty Shades of Grey" Re-Enactment at University of Illinois

At 5:30 PM on Saturday, Mohammad Hossain arrived at his dorm room with a female student, whom he proceeded to torture and sexually assault. Later that evening, he posted on Facebook that he was "finally satisfied."


Hossain doesn't post much on Facebook, but it's clear from his "likes" that he considers himself a Muslim.


He also "likes" Reza Aslan, Russell Brand, and the Muslim Public Affairs Council, and he's vocal about "Islamophobia":


Hossain's crimes may be unrelated to his Islamic beliefs. But it's also possible that his actions are influenced by the same doctrines that produced the Islamic rape wave in Great Britain (which I discuss here). Watching "Fifty Shades of Grey" may have showed him how to satisfy his urge.
Chicago Tribune—A University of Illinois at Chicago student leader has been charged with sexually assaulting a 19-year-old female student in what Cook County prosecutors say was a re-enactment of scenes from the film "Fifty Shades of Grey."

Freshman Mohammad Hossain, 19, appeared shocked after a Cook County judge set his bail at $500,000, walking back to the lockup with his mouth wide open.

The judge was taken aback after Hossain's lawyer, assistant Cook County public defender Sandra Bennewitz, said Hossain had been involved with several UIC leadership programs, was a student ambassador to the alumni association and was on the triathlon team.

"Sandra, how can someone involved in all that let a movie persuade him to do something like this?" asked Judge Adam Bourgeois Jr.

"He would say that it was consensual," she replied.

Prosecutors said Hossain and the woman went to Hossain's dorm room about 5:30 p.m. Saturday. The two had "previously been intimate" but were not dating, said Assistant State's Attorney Sarah Karr.

Once inside his dorm, in the 900 block of West Harrison Street, Hossain allegedly asked the woman to remove her clothing and she did, keeping on her bra and underwear, Karr said. He then bound her hands above her head and to a bed with a belt, used another belt to bind her legs and stuffed a necktie into her mouth, Karr said.

Hossain used a knit cap to cover the woman's eyes, Karr said, and removed the woman's bra and underwear. He then began striking the woman with a belt. After hitting her several times, the woman told Hossain he was hurting her, told him to stop "and began shaking her head and crying," said Karr.

Hossain continued striking the woman — including with his fists, according to an arrest report — and she managed to get one arm, and then another, free. But he then held her arms behind her back and sexually assaulted her as she continued to plead for him to stop, according to Karr.

Hossain's roommate came home soon after the assault and, prosecutors said, Hossain held the door shut to prevent him from entering. The woman then left and told another person what happened, then called police.

36 comments:

andy bell said...

When I first saw this story and saw this person's name, I had similar thoughts. However, I don't think this is subversive islam influencing his behavior. I think this is a 19 year old kid who is influenced by mass culture. I truly don't think that his islam (to whatever extent that may be) influenced this behavior.

I think we have to be careful in labeling the motives of a crime. Perfect example is in Michigan. A man with a muslim name, from Lebanon, was playing in a soccer game last year. He didn't like the referee's call and punched the referee in the head. He killed the referee. Okay, let's analyze if this was an islamically motivated crime. Does his upbringing and culture that is prone to violence, contribute to this? In some ways yes, but not totally.

So, these kind of incidents are dicey in my opinion.

David Wood said...

Andy, did you watch my video? There is a pattern here.

andy bell said...

First of all, I watch all your vids. And the trinity vids too because they are invaluable. If you are specifically referring to Sacrificing Our Daughters: On the Psychology of Islamic Rape-Gangs.......

Okay, I understand there is the idea that muslims feel as if they can sexually dominate kaffir women. I wouldn't argue that what the pakistani rape gangs in britain are doing have nothing to do with islam.

But I think there are varying degrees to which Islam can be the culprit. Point in fact, if a muslim charges into a random starbucks, shouts "allah hu ackbar--death to the infidels," and starts shooting up the place. That is 110% islam.

But this particular case, because of the age of the perpetrator, because of where this took place--a college campus, and the 'hip' movie fad that is going on has less to do with islam per se than the starbucks scenario I used above.

Then again, I don't know where this Mohamad grew up. I don't know his background. But on the surface of it, it strikes me as a mass media culture thing.

Nosheen Khan said...

What this guy did was shameful and bad and is not allowed in any religion of the world. Haters like u relate every single thing to religion. So what if that kid was Muslim? A person with a brain can easily tell that his actions had nothing to do with his religious beliefs. He was only influenced by a movie. If he was non Muslim no one would be pointing fingers to his religion. Smh

David Wood said...

Andy said: "But on the surface of it, it strikes me as a mass media culture thing."

There's more to it that simply acting out a scene from a movie. He went into a frenzy and started punching her. I haven't seen the movie, but I don't recall anything about that. Afterwards, he posted that he finally felt fulfilled. So something had been going on inside him, and the movie gave him the answer.

So the question is this: Whatever urges were ultimately satisfied by beating a woman, did they have something to do with Islam or not? Clearly, we can't know without further information, which is why I said, "Hossain's crimes may be unrelated to his Islamic beliefs. But it's also possible that his actions are influenced by the same doctrines that produced the Islamic rape wave in Great Britain."

But I can't dismiss the fact that these same urges are possessed by a disturbing number of Muslims around the world. The Islamic rape wave has been carried out by Pakistani Muslims in Great Britain, by Somali Muslims in Scandinavia, and by Lebanese Muslims in Australia. So it goes beyond country of origin or culture. There's something that causes certain young Muslims to want to viciously abuse non-Muslim girls.

Unless we have some reason to think that the U.S. will be perpetually exempt from this trend, I'd say we need to be watchful.

Osama Abdallah said...

"First of all, I watch all your vids. And the trinity vids too because they are invaluable. If you are specifically referring to Sacrificing Our Daughters: On the Psychology of Islamic Rape-Gangs.......

Okay, I understand there is the idea that muslims feel as if they can sexually dominate kaffir women. I wouldn't argue that what the pakistani rape gangs in britain are doing have nothing to do with islam."

Hi Andy,

Islam prohibits doing wrong to disbelievers. Here are some Noble Verses that clearly prove this:


[060:004] Indeed there is a good example for you in Abraham and those who were with him when they said to their people, `We have nothing to do with you and with that which you worship beside ALLAH. We disbelieve all that you believe in. There has become manifest enmity and hatred between us and you for ever, until you believe in ALLAH alone' - except that Abraham said to his father, `I will surely ask forgiveness for thee, though I have no power to do aught for thee against ALLAH.' Their prayer was: `Our Lord, in thee do we put our trust and to thee do we turn in repentance, and towards thee is the final return;

[060:005] `Our Lord, make us not a trial (فتنة) for those who disbelieve, and forgive us, our Lord; for, Thou alone art Mighty, the Wise.'

[060:006] Surely, there is a good example in them for you - for all who have hope to see ALLAH and the Last Day. And whosoever turns away - truly, ALLAH is Self-Sufficient, Worthy of all praise.

[060:007] It may be that ALLAH will bring about love between you and those of them with whom you are now at enmity, and ALLAH is All-Powerful; and ALLAH is Most Forgiving, Merciful.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/tempting_disbelievers_is_forbidden.htm

"God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (The Noble Quran, 60:8)"

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac22.htm#links

http://www.answering-christianity.com/david_wood_rebuttals.htm

May Allah Almighty continue to lead you and open up your heart and mind to Islam. Ameen.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Foolster41 said...

" He was only influenced by a movie. If he was non Muslim no one would be pointing fingers to his religion. Smh"
Yes, because that religion wouldn't be teaching it's okay to rape or beeat women or torture people. Duh.

SysRq said...

David,

Could you please define Surah 60 Ayat 8 in context?

Thanks.

David Wood said...

60:8? Muslim commentators say that it was abrogated by later commands to fight and subjugate. Here's Tafsir Jalalayn on 60:8:

"God does not forbid you in regard to those who did not wage war against you, from among the disbelievers, on account of religion and did not expel you from your homes, that you should treat them kindly (an tabarrūhum is an inclusive substitution for alladhīna, ‘those who’) and deal with them justly: this was [revealed] before the command to struggle against them. Assuredly God loves the just."

Radical Moderate said...

A friend of mine is a therapist for the state corrections office. She councils rapists and pedophiles and such.

Anyway she was telling me that people into Sadist sexual relationships are weird. The Roles are the opposite of what you would think.

It is men who are emasculated by woman who are the sadists, because that is the only way they can feel powerful. And strange but it is powerful men who become the submissive because in their normal lives they can not allow themselves to feel or be vulnerable.

Obviously that just a nut shell and here is a lot more psychological and sexual trauma that goes into this. But thats it in a nut shell.

So that says alot about him doesn't it.

It also says alot that he looked shocked when the judge ordered him to jail. I'm sure he was saying "But she was kuffar and I saw it in a kuffar movie that is how kuffar woman like it.

Excalibur said...

WOW. I actually go to this school and I think I've seen this guy on Campus before. Crazy.

David, just so you should know, UIC's Muslim student body (and the MSA as a whole) is knee deep in the silent Jihad movement in America alongside such groups as CAIR and Co. Horowitz and co have done a lot of exposes concerning that.

I can't say I'm surprised too. The way UIC indulges the Muslim students is beyond irritating to say the least.

Radical Moderate said...

Andy read what David wrote and what I wrote. It actually makes sense that the attitudes towards woman in Islam would lead to this.

Islam teaches that woman are nothing more then a play thing for them. They are their "Tilth" a piece of dirt to be used any time they feel like it.

Throw in that Muslim men are extremely sexual repressed and un educated as well as their views on kuffar woman in general. Not to mention the false machismo instilled in Muslim men. It is no wonder that this man lost control and would not stop when he was told to stop beating her and it was the only by beating a woman and sexually assaulting her that he could feel satisfied.

Foolster41 said...

Oh look, Osama's back. Posting in new topics so he doesn't have to answer challenges in the previous ones.

Yep, things never change, do they?

SysRq said...

David,

Thanks for the explanation on Surah 60 ayah 8.
Thank you for all that you do in the Body of Christ. Keep up the good work Brother.

Osama Abdallah said...

David Wood,

The Glorious Quran does not abrogate Itself. The Abrogation has two types:

1- Quran abrogating the previous Laws.
Muslims used to follow the Jewish Law during the early days of Islam when there was hardly any Quran.

*****2- Quran Verses being applied to certain situations that nullify others. This is not abrogation, but rather application.

I already gave the Noble Verses above about ABRAHAM BEING A GREAT EXAMPLE FOR US TO FOLLOW, and among the Prayers that he said was the Prayer of us Muslims to be be a bad influence to disbelievers.

SO AS A MUSLIM, I AM FORBIDDEN TO ENCOURAGE YOU to gamble, drink alcohol, fornicate, steal, murder, etc...

You and your anti-Islamics ARE CLOWNS when it comes to understanding the Quran.

Osama Abdallah

KJ said...

About Sura 60:80. I find this verse amazing. This God of theirs truly is a terrible communicator. (Loved you vid about that by the way) Grammatically it has double negations. ”God does NOT forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have NOT fought you about religion…etc” Well how kind of him. What does that really mean? Both grammatically and mathematically, when you have you have double negations you can simply remove the negations and you get the true meaning. ”God does forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have fought you about religion…” So in a religious conflict one would think that showing mercy to P.O.W:s would be a true sign of peace, forgiveness and tolerance. Well, we wont find it in the Quran, not even in the peaceful verses we are presented.

jay shawn said...

Muhammadans have always viewed kafir lands and the women in them as prizes of conquest. Since their arabian god, allah, who can only be understood and prayed to in a 7th century dialect of arabic, has made all nonmuslims into subhuman beings, its not surprising that the attitudes of nonmuslims by muslims are people who inferiror to them in all regards. This is why there can be no guilt or shame doing to them whatever you please. Out lives have been cheapened. Arent there hadeeths speaking of the beauty of byzantine/rum women being used as a motivating force for battle in the hopes of capturing them as personal sex slaves? God i hate this religion so much.....

Also to note, these predator musims salivate at the thought of western, female converts. The proposals fly out the roof as soon as they come out as "reverts." Western women are seen as licentious and sexually gratifying, kind of like the houries of paradise. Now wrap that in a hijab, and that would make any muslim man go wild.

jay shawn said...

Osama, arent you happy that your brothers in ISIS are eradicating christian and kafir towns in the middle east that you muslims have invaded and occupied? This after all is the ambition of every Muslim, right? For the world to wave the satanic black flag of allah, and bow towards mecca? You want the whole world to be a kafir free zone. Your prophet succeeded in eradicating jews, christians, and nonmuslims from the arabian peninsula. I guess that wasnt enough.

Osama Abdallah said...

"*****2- Quran Verses being applied to certain situations that nullify others. This is not abrogation, but rather application."

Adding to this point:

You also have that IN YOUR BIBLE. The very same David Wood that MAY TURN THE OTHER CHEEK, the same David Wood might be a soldier killing and bombing in a time of war.
The same person that might've slapped you and you turned the other cheek to might be the same soldier that you tried to kill in battle.

This is the type of abrogation that would happen here. Certain situations require certain Laws. NOTHING IN THE QURAN IS ABROGATED IN A SENSE THAT THE VERSE IS NEVER APPLICABLE.

I hope this helps.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Osama Abdallah said...

"For the world to wave the satanic black flag of allah, and bow towards mecca?"

Jay Shawn,

Watch my debate with David Wood on ISIS to see Prophet Muhammad's PROPHECIES ABOUT THE BLACK FLAGS towards the End of Times.
Your satanic zionists from the CIA and Israel are fulfilling the Islamic Prophecies PERFECTLY with these evil black flags and black clothes that are being PUT ON THE MUSLIMS. The Prophet further said:

"May Allah put the clothes of Hell on those who put the black clothes on my people."

The the sign of those evil ones who will mislead the Muslims will be the black flags and also black clothes.

So watch the debate, Jay Shawn. Knowledge and awareness are a good thing to have.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

andy bell said...

David wrote, "Whatever urges were ultimately satisfied by beating a woman, did they have something to do with Islam or not?"

Yes, exactly--and we don't really know. In full disclosure I haven't seen the movie and have no idea what it's about except sex or voyeurism or shock value etc.

Davide wrote, "But I can't dismiss the fact that these same urges are possessed by a disturbing number of Muslims around the world."

Agreed, but these are gangs which involve a group. The main reason why I'm skeptical about this particular kid is that he acted alone. The muslim rape gangs---yes, it's 97% islam.



andy bell said...

Osama,

I did not recently arrive on this planet called Earth. I have two eyes and a fully functioning neocortex. In addition, I can read.

It is evident by Islamic theology and the actions of Muslims that what you wrote is complete nonsense.

I've seen your pathetic debates. I'd stick to the conspiracy theories if I were you tubby.

OsakaceniNindza said...

'You and your anti-Islamics ARE CLOWNS when it comes to understanding the Quran.


You said that Jesus said that He wil transform into Arab in Matthew 24:27

Nojmul Huda said...

“- Quran abrogating the previous Laws. Muslims used to follow the Jewish Law during the early days of Islam when there was hardly any Quran.”- Osama Abdullah

@ Osama Abdullah,
All, your prophet Muhammad, brought newness different from Jews, and Christian are as follows: 1) Brought his imaginary god Allah, named after chief god of his idol worshiper tribe; 2) portrayed his Allah as cruel, unjust, hot tempered, oppose to merciful, justice, and righteous God of Jews and Christian; 3) established gradually rites and rituals of his own creation Islam; 4) Portrayed the Bible as corrupted to establish his own ideology; 5) made Kaaba an important business center for idol worshipers of Arabian tribe, a holy place for Muslims; 6) occupied Jerusalem as Muslim holy place by flying at night alone; 7) made Muslims forceful submission to his imaginary Allah (Islam) by introducing capital punishment who denied his ideology.

All these differences are characters of Devils, oppose to Holy God. What Jesus told Christians to give up as acts of devil; Muhammad picked up those to attract his followers as act of goodness, such as killing, temptation, raping, slavery etc. Muhammad brought path to Hell fire by sword but Christ brought heaven by sacrifice for each other. This is the important difference. Self-denying is the only way to God who loves humble people, whereas Muhammad’s Allah like those who fight for him.

Am I wrong Osama Abdullah in identifying these contrasting characters Muhammad brought with advent of Islam, means submission to Allah??? Any comment would be appreciated!

stvn said...

@ Osama,

why to you leave questions posted to you unanswered ? Are you afraid to answers these questions or cant you answer them yourself ? I am just curious because very interesting question are asked about your believes that you refuse to answer just to pop up on another topic. Why are you so inconsistent ?

Hiwot said...

Osama,
Allah says he abrogates a verse by a better verse and exchanges a verse by another one. You said, "The Glorious Quran does not abrogate Itself..." Who should we believe - you or Allah?
And for whatever verse We abrogate or cast into oblivion, We bring a better or the like of it; knowest thou not that God is powerful over everything? S. 2:106
And when We exchange a verse in the place of another verse and God knows very well what He is sending down -- they say, 'Thou art a mere forger!' Nay, but the most of them have no knowledge. S. 16:101

paki p said...

@osama
You replied to brother David that Muslims followed Jewish laws because Quran wasn't written back than. But Qur'an itself says that is eternal and always existed, so who am I to believe, allah? Or you?
And a lot of things in Quran already existed hundreds of years before Quran.
Example the stories in surah al-baqarah (2) 260, al-an'an(6)77-84, maryam(9) 1-50, al-anbiya(21) 52-72, ash-shu'ara(26) 70-82, al-'ankabut(29) 16-17, as-saffat(37) 83-89, az-zukhruf(43) 26-30, al-mumtahanah(60) 4 to name a few, already existed in Jewish Talmud ,midrash rabbah.
The story of Satan being ordered to bow down to Adam (surah al-baqarah verse 34) is found in Talmud, genesis rabbah.Btw whoever copied it from Talmud thought they were reading torah but didn't realise that these folk tales are not part of torah. Not even that but Talmud is relating a story believed by pagan and now we find it in Qur'an, subhanallah brother!
Story of Cain and Abel (surah al-ma'idah verses 30-35 and the beloved verse of taqqiya practicing Muslims all over the world, "if you take a life is as if you've killed whole humanity........") is found in Talmud sanhedrin 37a.
The story of pharaoh (surah yunus verse 90-92) is found in midrash yugioh 238 .
Jesus's birth under a Palm tree, Jesus making clay birds etc etc etc are all outside Quran but interestingly we find them in Quran.
now I have just one question, if we go by your reasoning and totally ignore allah that Muslims were following Jewish laws then where these verses copied from Jewish Talmud and after the Qur'an was revealed , why these talmudic verses are still part of Qur'an?
And if Qur'an is from Allah and a devine book given to your prophet than how come Rabbi yahuda and Rabbi alezar knew these verses before your prophet?
And also this demolishes the quranic challenge of make one verse like Quran because Talmud already beats Quran to it with not just one verse and half of Qur'an.
Now kindly answer these questions without going off topic and don't direct me to a website. Explain it on the blog.
Thank you and JESUS is Lord.

jay shawn said...

Osama, the jews, zionists, or cia didnt write your quran or hadeeths. Just skim through the commentary on yasir qadhis facebook page where he addresses the atlantic piece by woods on isis. Muslims are calling dr.qadhi a fake, west appeasing, sheikh and claim that ISIS magazines; 7 or so of them, called Dabeeq have full justification of their actions with explanation and quotations from islamic sources, something dr.qadhi didnt have in his response. Call ISIS a western conspiracy, but it attracts the attention and ambition of too many muslims. I understand the muslim knee-jerk reaction to always point the fingers at everyone but themselves. Allah says tgat u are the best of mankind so essentialy as a Muslim, there is no wrong you can ever do. Its time to move on from that premise and the whole "islam is perfect but muslims arent" b.s. and really look into islam from objectivity. The fruit of muhammmad is rotten because muhammad was. He may have done some nice things, but he also done some very bad things, and excused the evil of his companions who were all to willing to kill, rape, steal fir him. When you look at islam in its entirety, you see its a religion that is antichristian at its core and attempts to one up the religions of the people of the book in every imaginable way possible, in hopes of replacing it. When a religion tries to convey its "truths" at the expense of the religions of others, it by default is a false, manmade religion. Thats islam.

Osama Abdallah said...

@Hiwot,

[002:106] None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten,
but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that God Hath power over all things?

My explanation to David Wood above about the APPLICATION of certain Noble Verses to certain situations is the accurate one. Allah Almighty DOES NOT ABROGATE any of His Divine Revelations in the Glorious Quran. Period. The Noble Verses substitute each others in APPLICATION, depending on the situation.

And as to the Previous Laws, yes we are not Jews. Therefore, we are not obligated to follow the Jewish Law, even if we revere It and Highly Respect It.

Osama Abdallah

paki p said...

@osama
You didn't answer a simple question. I'm gonna ask again. If your quran was revealed to your prophet and your prophet alone, why does it contain Talmudic oral tradition in it?.
Please answer and again please don't direct me to a website. Thank you and JESUS CHRIST is Lord.

Osama Abdallah said...

paki p,

You think you're asking smart questions, when in reality your questions are too shallow and quite frankly ridiculous.

Are you implying that by having similarities between Islam and Judaism in some Laws that Islam is false?

Geee, I guess that throws your entire religion out since it too has similarities to Judaism. At least that would make the Jews justified in rejecting your religion as far as your silly logic goes.

So next time when i ignore you, it won't be because i am afraid of you. No, it would be because you're question and/or point is quite silly.

Osama Abdallah

paki p said...

@osama
You said that Islam have similarities with Judaism? and my questions are silly and shallow?
The verses that I quoted from you book are not part of torah or any Jewish literature. These were the ancient believes of pagans that talmud (not torah) is warning against.
How is this a shallow and silly question when some pagan belief is a verse of your book.?
And if it's a revelation of allah , exclusively to your prophet then how did early rabbis knew about it? were they prophets too?
As far as my similarities to Judaism, I'm bound to have them because JESUS CHRIST himself was a Jew. Unlike some pagan worshipper of quresh. Torah is part of my bible not talmud. And while we're at it, your prophet was given prophet hood at the age of 40ish. Which religion did he practice before that?.
You see these are some legit and serious questions. But instead of answering the question you started attacking me personally.
It's ok though, I know that you're doing it not because the question is silly but you don't have an answer. So instead of attacking my character I think you should go to some mullah and ask him and increase your limited knowledge too.
Btw next time you attack my character, I'm gonna take off my peshawari "chittar" and "littrol"you severely.
God bless and JESUS CHRIST is LORD.

Foolster41 said...

Yes yes, everyone is just asking idiotic questions not worthy of your time! That explains your silence on responses to your arguments on 1 Cor 5:5, 2 Sam 4, etc.

The Osamachute(tm), works everytime!

Paige said...

Dear Osama,

You wrote to Paki p.

"So next time when i ignore you, it won't be because i am afraid of you."

Why do you mention being "afraid"? I can't find anywhere in Paki P.'s comment that he suggested that you should be afraid of him.

I also note that Paki p has earnestly and quite courteously asked you to questions that you are refusing to answer. Why is this?

If they are, as you say, "shallow" and "ridiculous" then it should be very easy to refute them.

It is reasonable that you respond to legitimate questions, or if you cannot, and there is no shame in this, say so. No-one can know everything.

Regardless, when a persons consistently avoids answering questions by either attacking the questioner and the value of their question or just disappearing then it is logical to assume that either a. they don't have an answer or b. they do have the answer but don't want to admit it.

The argument that you constantly aim at Christians is that their beliefs are a joke and are ridiculous and illogical but you fail to show how and why?

I am not asserting that your beliefs are a joke or ridiculous, just that they are based on false premises and are wrong.

Let me give you an example. You say that the Christian belief in the Trinity is incomprehensible and you call us all manner of names for doing so, but I would find it harder to reasonably comprehend your beliefs here.

Let me ask you some brief questions to illustrate. You need only answer with one word for most:


1. Is Allah loving as his name says?
2. Is Allah eternal? (ie. he has no beginning and will have no end)
3. Are the names of Allah likewise eternal?
3. Then, before anything was created, who was it that Allah was loving? Himself?

I am not meaning to trick you Osama, but just demonstrate that Islam is far from being the coherent and reasonable belief that you assert it to be.

That being said, I think Paki P. is more than entitled to ask and expect answers to his questions.

I look forward to your reply.

Paige said...

Dear andy bell,

I really appreciate that you're offering a different point of view. I hope you don't mind if I share a few thoughts on your comments.

You wrote: "I think we have to be careful in labeling the motives of a crime."

I agree, which is why I actually commend David Wood's article for its forthright and balanced handling of this issue.

You suggested that this was more likely a "mass media culture thing" but it's worth remembering that our responses to "mass media" and "mass culture" are predominantly determined by our core beliefs and perceptions of ourselves and the world we live in.

Whatever this young man's world view is, it was almost impossible for it not to be a contributing factor to his crime, and also to the way he responded to his conviction.

As has been previously highlighted, the worldview held by Muslims is that the world is to brought under submission to Allah, and Muslims are commissioned to do this. It is only the means, not the end that Muslims sometime disagree on. Only as submission occurs is their calling fulfilled.

I do not pretend to actually know what this young man's motives were, but the fact that he brought this young woman into submission and felt fulfilled by that action is at least suggestive of a motive.

You were also skeptical because this young man acted alone, but the article didn't draw a direct line between this incident and the gang rapes in Britain. The question that was asked was whether the Islamic doctrine that was behind the gang rapes might also be influencing this young man. This doctrine relates to individuals every bit as much as it does to groups, so the fact that he acted alone does not negate the possibility that he was motivated by the same teaching as others who act in gangs.

I think it's essential to keep an open mind with these incidents, and always remember that God has created us to be complex beings who are influenced by a multiplicity of forces, but I think there is good reason to at least suggest, as David has done, the influence of Islam here.

D. Collaric said...

@Osama

quote
1- Quran abrogating the previous Laws. Muslims used to follow the Jewish Law during the early days of Islam when there was hardly any Quran. end of quote


To get this right, allah FIRST reveales to the MUSLIMS IN MECCA the Jewish law? When? Were the Meccans NOT PAGANS following their own pagan laws?
And btw can you cite early ISLAMIC SOURCES which confirms your opinion?

After all was the propfeet not 12 years living in Mecca? Did he receive revelations to seek out the Jews living in mecca, so that he could borrow the laws of the Jews?