The Islamic State (ISIS) recently released a video
of dozens of Yazidis converting to Islam in order to avoid execution. Our leaders and the media continue to assure us that the actions of ISIS have nothing to do with Islam. Yet when we open the Muslim sources, we find Muhammad commanding his followers to fight people until they convert to Islam. How can obeying Muhammad's commands have nothing to do with Islam?
what do you want david? a religion war?
if politicians say what u said (the true i mean), you know that there will be innocents muslims murders in USA .
It will be like " hey citizens, defend your Country against inner ennemies"
They're acting because of that i think.
it's very trouble. but think about that.
it's To easy the way you 're playing.
Politicians are a bit clever than u want to imply.
In my opinion, politicians have to say :
"islam is not ONLY what isis is doing"
i hope you'll answer me
IS = ISLAM = IS (and boko haram and the rest of the gang).
Where WERE the “moderate” MUSLIMS telling the world that boko haram is abusing Islam?
Why are MUSLIMS NOT LEAVING ISLAM, to show that they do not feel represented by these “radicals”? But EVEN MORE important, HOW MANY MUSLIMS take on the RADICALS on the “social” media, ON THEIR turf, but instead come to blogs like this one?
The people who GOT IT WRONG, are muslims of IS/BH .
They follow the faith, they NEED to be shown the TRUE Islam, it is they who could CHANGE Islam. So if you want to educate people that ISLAM is peace, tell this to IS/BOKO-HARAM!
When YOU have shown that Islam is indeed peace by getting rid of these “radical” elements, then and only then is a chance that one may take the claim serious. until then.
From all the awful things that we have seen and discovered about Islam (with its lying, deceitful and murderous ways), the words of the Shahada - “I bear witness that there is no god but Allah… and I bear witness that Muhammad is his servant and messenger” in actual reality mean:
“I bear witness that there is no god but Satan… and I bear witness that Muhammad is his servant and messenger”
Simple logic and common sense would tell anyone that the god of the Koran and Islam cannot be any other than the devil himself.
Excellent and spot on as usual, David. Everyone should share this far and wide. So sick of politicians and muslims saying islamic terrorism has nothing to do with islam when it does. It doesn't matter if many muslims don't commit mass murder but when they are silent as their brothers do so worldwide, they are complicit.
Bob, David is not want a religious war ... muslims do.
I understand what bob is saying. Although I agree that islam is a thoroughly evil ideology, politicians are in a real dilemma as they are trying create social cohesion in their respective countries, need to maintain economic stability etc etc, it would political suicide to speak honestly about islam as this would alienate millions of their citizen who are in every aspect of their respective countries .I.e media, government, sports etc. That said, what we need in our governance are not career aspiring politicians but politicians with God fearing convictions, which none of the western world seems to have. Even professing born again president bush claimed islam was a religion of peace
As much as I agree with what Winston Churchill said about islam I doubt even he would have said what he said if he had 4 million muslims living in the uk.
@ Allahthe Kuffr
@ Kimberly West
as i wrote, if your politicians talk about islam like david Does, a lot of you will see a "blanc-seeing" to act vs muslims.
you didn't answer my argumentation, u just said muslim = isis = danger, not a word about geopolitic.
What if the politicians don't say the things they don't have knowledge about in stead of promoting it as something wonderful.
And if they know the disgusting ideology of Islam, then implement rules to ban these activities than allowing sharia court in their soil.
OBAMA is the BIGGEST IDIOT AMERICAN PRESIDENT in the entire history of that great nation!
What a shame BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA!
I think I understand what Bob is trying to say. That is why it is important to have open discussion and debates. On their own end, moderate Muslims are not doing enough to condemn what these "radicals" are doing. Just by saying these radicals are hijacking Islam isn't sufficient. Perhaps they can start to explain to the rest of the world WHY are these radicals acting the way they do. There must be a reason. Is the reason personal, i.e. the particular person just decides to become a radical, or maybe he received some "revelation" ala Joseph Smith, or was it something more fundamental to the religion? What did the "radicals" themselves have to say? The answer given is always what is written in the Quran and the Hadith. Just because a dangerous cult now happens to have 1.6 billion followers doesn't mean it is not a cult or it is more correct than a cult of a smaller membership size. But I understand that to acknowledge this head on is like opening up a can of dragons, exactly because this religion has 1.6 billion followers. So I still therefore think the only more peaceful way now is to have discussions and debates with open minds. Muslims have to defend their faith in such intellectual scenarios (and not issue death threats or threatening to throw people in prison for questioning Islam), and I doubt it would be easy for them. Because if Islam is fundamentally violent and cannot hold its own in many other areas, then we want to know where Muslims stand on this. Why are you still a Muslim if you object to certain things the Quran instructs you to do? How can this be the word of God if you are choosing to ignore certain messages because it clashes with your own subconscious inner compass?
You made a claim, fine so WHAT?
Playing the victim? You don't get it do you?
ISLAM with IS/BOKO HARAM/ AS today is showing that it does not MEAN peace! If you are NOT a Muslim and have NOT read up sharia then do so. If you DO NOT really know ISLAM, then please get educated!
(search for: )
THE OBJECTIVES OF JIHAD
o9.8 The caliph (o25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians (N: provided he has first invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya, def: o11.4)-which is the significance of their paying it, not the money itself-while remaining in their ancestral religions) (O: and the war continues)until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax (O: in accordance with the word of Allah Most High,
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day and who forbid not what Allah and His messenger have forbidden-who do not practice the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book-until they pay the poll tax out of hand and are humbled" (Koran 9.29), [end of quote]
If you condemn words that could possibly lead to WAR, why not Islamic sources! Muslims love to claim the right to “defend themselves” but whine if the NON-BELIEVERS do likewise!
And then there is this tiny issue about verses like 9:29, 9:111. Can ANYBODY show me verses which declare these verses had a expiration date ending at 632 , the year Qathem allah's profeet died?
If MUSLIMS want peace they should REMOVE ALL violent verses in the quran SHARIA and the hadith.
Good luck with THAT ONE!
The Quran will surprise you. I quote one verse:
Quran 2:62 "Those who believe, and those who are Jewish, and the Christians, and the Sabeans-any who believe in God and the Last Day, and act righteously-will have their reward with their Lord; they have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve."
You mean the Qur'an will surprise us with all of the clear contradictions? Indeed. Compare the verse you just quoted with Surah 3, Verse 85:
"And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers."
This is a very common problem with quoting the Quran especially in light of the violence issues. Regarding the two contradicting verses that David and Talal quoted, can Muslims provide an explanation about the concept of abrogation in the Quran? Abrogation is clearly stated in Surah 2:106 (despite the verse trying to tell you otherwise). As I mentioned earlier somewhere, Shadid Lewis did not explain in his debate with David how to deal with abrogation. So since the violent Surah 9 came after Surah 2:62...
Talal Itani, you are not fooling us with Quran 2:62
"Those who believe, and those who are Jewish, and the Christians, and the Sabeans-any who believe in God and the Last Day, and act righteously-will have their reward with their Lord; they have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve."
That was Muhammad, like any criminal, just lying while he got his foot in the door.
Hitler did exactly the same thing with his comments about his seeming agreement with Christianity. But it was, as with Muhammad, simply a willful deception on his part, as history clearly shows.
I think it doesn't matter if the Koran Sword verses abrogate the earlier verses written in Mecca. I am not an Islamic scholar but I have read the Koran. Most modern Muslims don't hear a call to violence. I work on a Saudi air base and my Saudi friends say these arguments have been going on a long time. ISIS would hear a call to violence if they read Dick and Jane because that's what they are looking for, that's what they want. Most of the Muslims in the world choose to be peaceful. Terrorists and nut jobs always find a reason to kill and hate. Religion through out history always seems a convenient reason how many times in history have people killed in the name of God? It does seem though that most terror groups today are Muslims or at least they think they are. My friends here hate these guys and they are Sunni also. I think the Islamic world is coming out against these guys and I am glad.
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