Sunday, February 16, 2014

An American Muslim Defends Sex with Prepubescent Girls

I just had an interesting encounter with a Muslimah, who promotes the website I'll post some of her comments tomorrow, to show what she really thinks about Christians. But right now, I wanted to draw attention to her defense of Muhammad's sexual relationship with a nine-year-old girl. Here's a screenshot of my question and her answer:

To her credit, our American Muslim friend doesn't deny that Muhammad had sex with Aisha when she was only nine years old, as this would contradict numerous ahadith reporting Aisha's age:

Sahih al-Bukhari 3896—Narrated Hisham’s father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Al-Madina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he wrote the marriage (wedding) contract with Aishah when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.

Sahih al-Bukhari 5158—Narrated Urwa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Sahih Muslim 3310—Aisha reported: Allah’s Apostle married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Muslim 3311—Aisha reported that Allah’s Apostle married her when she was seven years old, and she was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.

Sunan Abu Dawud 2116—Aishah said: The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old. (The narrator Sulaiman said: Or six years.) He had intercourse with me when I was nine years old.

Nevertheless, it's always disturbing to find a Muslim woman defending such a horrifying practice. According to the Hadith, Aisha hadn't even reached puberty when Muhammad had sex with her:

Sahih al-Bukhari 6130—Narrated Aishah: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah’s Messenger used to enter (my dwelling place), they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for Aishah at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.)

While our American Muslim friend attributes Muhammad's sexual relationship with Aisha to the culture of his time, this simply won't do. Muhammad is different from everyone else in Arabia, in that Allah declares him to be the pattern of conduct for Muslims (Qur'an 33:21). In other words, by having sex with a prepubescent girl, and by delivering a revelation declaring himself to be the ideal pattern of conduct for Muslims, Muhammad actively promoted sexual intercourse with prepubescent girls for all future generations of Muslims (unless, of course, you believe that Western values trump Allah's words in the Qur'an!).

Since our American Muslim friend defends Muhammad's actions, she is defending one of the most shocking, sickening practices known to man. Behold the impact of Islam on the mind of the American Muslim.


Deleting said...

So does morality come from God or from man?

That would be my question. If Morality comes from God, then what men did in 7th century Saudi Arabia is irrelevant.

We can point to far more primitive cultures than Mohammad's where men did NOT hold that as a value and it was a capital offense to do these things.

Furthermore, the God of Islam affirmed the bible, which means he affirmed this:

Leviticus 18:1-4
1 And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,

2“Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, I am the LORD your God.
3 You shall not do as they do in the land of Egypt, where you lived, and you shall not do as they do in the land of Canaan, to which I am bringing you. You shall not walk in their statutes.

4 You shall follow my rules and keep my statutes and walk in them. I am the LORD your God.

chris J said...

In Malaysia, where I am from, when I ask them about this marrying off younger girls...I get a response justifying this.
They would use surah 24:58 to justify the marriage at any age of the girl, but later claim that sex is only done when permission is given from the girl's parents.
I think this is nonsense and the are simply twisting things around to make islam look ok for the 21st century.

Anonymous said...

But Muhammad was the perfect example FOR ALL

wheatington said...

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 7.18 Narrated by Ursa
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage.
Abu Bakr exclaimed "But I am your brother."
The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she is lawful for me to marry."

*** Abu Bakr was so shocked at Muhammad's proposal to marry his child Aisha of six years that he told him 'but I am your brother'.

So Mo was not only a pedophile but an incestuous one!

Come on, some Muslim barrow must come to his perverted prophet's rescue!

Nakdimon said...

So I guess Muhammad is the standard of perfection for a 7th century desert Arab, not for the 21st century comon man, in which case he is a pervert? So why emulate him or expect men to follow him?

wheatington said...

Mo was a pervert and followers of Mo are perverts.

DarkMath said...


She gave a CLASSIC response: "That was the standard in the 7th Century".

This is very easy to beat logically. All you have to say is:

"That may have been the standard for the 7th Century but the marrying off of underage girls STILL OCCURS today in the 21st Century."

Hazakim1 said...

What in the world would a grown man want with a little girl???

Deleting said...

'She gave a CLASSIC response: "That was the standard in the 7th Century'
No it wasn't. That's the stupid thing about. Pedophila may have been in common (this was a pagan society after all) but not marriage. Commonality doesnt equate morality. this crap was something Muhammad cooked up on his own! I mean sure, he signed Allahs name to it, but this only proves the god of the Koran isn't the god of the bible! God doesn't change. Abominations is abominations.

Keith said...

When I was growing up, and I grew up among Muslims, I used to believe that Muslims and Christians worship the same God, a mistake still very common among people who don't do their research. I used to encourage my Muslim friends to perform their Solat and recite the Bismillah before their meals. Most of these Muslims are very nice people. And then Sept 11 happened. Still, we went on blaming the "extremists". But a question we from the "peace corp" and Muslims have to deal with is this: "Why aren't there any Christian extremists or Buddhist extremists or Hindu extremists who kill people? Why only Islam extremists?" My Muslim friends, like David's Westernised Muslimah, cannot answer this. When people cannot answer a question straight, they sweep it under the rug, pretending it wasn't there. I thank David, Sam, Nabeel, Nakdimon and all the others who wrote pages such as this one and similar others to expose the truth about Islam. For some ironic reason, even though I have never been tempted to convert to Islam, Islam (or rather the exposition of the real Islam) has brought me closer to Christ.

DEWDDS said...

It's not entirely clear that sex with a nine year old girl was a cultural norm for the 7th c. CE. I'm not familiar with any literature from Antiquity that enshrines sex with pre-pubescent girls. The marriage contract age of course would not have been unusual, because such agreements were made all the time to cement alliances between tribes, clans, allies and former enemies, however, betrothal did not mean surrendering a pre-pubescent girl immediately over to the groom - it was most often after onset of menarche. Arguing that Aisha somehow had a precocious puberty is also a stretch, since malnutrition and disease were norms of that period with the attendant delay of menarche as a consequence.

From a critical-historical perspective I'm convinced that Aisha was purely fictional, and probably the character functioned as a need to link the descendents of Abu Bakr with Islam's most revered prophet. It may well be that these later Muslims, far removed from the time of Muhammad, had a need to find some religious justification for pedophilia they routinely practiced and so was born the story about consummation of Aisha's marriage at age 9.

However the story found its way into Islamic historiography, its legacy survives and thrives to this day, which subjects thousands and thousands of Muslim girls to untold suffering year after year.

tomebaden said...

I have no hope for humanity when so many people can actually wrap their minds around this sicko pervert man. I know its nothing more than Arab racism. They just want a religion that lets them kill other people on the earth.

tomebaden said...

by the way, roman law at the time of christ even prohibited marriage to girls under 12 and boy 14. Also the marriages had to be consensual. Pedophilia was probably not any more popular then than it is now. Mohammad was really a disgusting human being and I suppose the only reason Aisha kept up the religion he started was because she had nothing else. Mohammad destroyed her ability to have kids.