Sunday, February 2, 2014

Does Islam Allow Muslims to Rape Female Captives and Slave Girls?


Critics of Islam and Sharia frequently claim that the Qur’an allows Muslim men to rape their female captives and slave girls (i.e. those "whom their right hands possess"). Westernized Muslims, however, are appalled at the thought of their religion allowing rape, so they insist that Islam prohibits this practice. Unfortunately, Islam isn't defined by Westernized Muslims; it's defined by Allah and Muhammad in the Qur'an and the Hadith. So instead of inventing a religion based on the feelings of Westernized Muslims and calling it "Islam," let's turn to the Qur'an and the Hadith to see what Allah and Muhammad have to say about this issue.

As Muhammad's armies raided town after town, they captured many women, who would often be sold or traded. Yet, since the Muslim men were a long way from their wives, they needed wisdom from Allah to guide them in their treatment of their female captives. Allah revealed:

Qur’an 23:1-6—The Believers must (eventually) win through—those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess—for (in their case) they are free from blame.

Qur’an 70:22-30—Not so those devoted to Prayer—those who remain steadfast to their prayer; and those in whose wealth is a recognized right for the (needy) who asks and him who is prevented (for some reason from asking); and those who hold to the truth of the Day Of Judgement; and those who fear the displeasure of their Lord—for their Lord’s displeasure is the opposite of Peace and Tranquility—and those who guard their chastity, except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess—for (then) they are not to be blamed.

Notice that Allah commands Muslims to abstain from sex, except with their wives and with "those whom their right hands possess." Allah gave the same sexual rights to Muhammad:

Qur’an 33:50—O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war ...

The Muslim practice of having sex with captured women is reported often in the Hadith, where we learn that Muhammad's only objection to sex with captives was his condemnation of birth control.

Sahih Muslim 3371—We went out with Allah’s Messenger on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing azl (withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Messenger, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

Sahih al-Bukhari 4138—We went out with Allah’s Apostle for the invasion of Bun Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus [same as "azl" above]. So when we intended to do coitus interruptus, we said: "How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah’s Apostle who is present among us? We asked (him) about it and he said: "It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul till the Day of Resurrection is predestined to exist, it will exist."

Sahih Muslim 3384—Jabir bin Abdullah reported that a person asked Allah’s Apostle saying: I have a slave-girl and I practice azl with her, whereupon Allah’s Messenger said: This cannot prevent that which Allah has decreed. The person then came (after some time) and said: Messenger of Allah, the slave-girl about whom I talked to you has conceived, whereupon Allah’s Messenger said: I am the servant of Allah and His Messenger.

Clearly, Muslims were taking full advantage of Muhammad's teachings about female captives and slave girls. Nevertheless, Muslims eventually captured women along with their husbands, so they wondered if Allah would allow them to have sex with these married captives (since adultery is otherwise forbidden in Islam).

Allah gives his answer in the Qur'an:

Qur’an 4:24—Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess ...

Here's the historical background for this verse:

Sunan Abu Dawud 2150—The Apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.” That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period.

Thus, the Qur’an allows men to have sex with their female captives and slave girls, and the Hadith provides numerous examples of how this was practiced. Yet we must follow this fact through to its logical conclusion. Muslims decided to have sex with their captives, whom they were later going to sell. Some of these captives were women whose husbands and families had been slaughtered by Muslims. Others had husbands who had been captured by Muslims. Would these women gladly consent to sexual intercourse with men who had killed their families or taken their families captive, and who were simply going to sell them into slavery when they arrived at the next town? Certainly not. But since the Qur’an and Muhammad authorized sex with these women (and said nothing about seeking their permission), we can only conclude that Muhammad allowed his followers to rape their captives.

For more on women in Islam, click here.

To see some of the practical consequences of Muhammad's teachings about raping captives, watch this:

81 comments:

soup said...

If you check out the youtube comment thread there is a comment that needs a reply from someone with more knowledge than I.

goethechosemercy said...

Freed from blame?
Freed from the blame of the Ummah.
Not freed from the condemnation of the world, the universe and God who made them.
God may have created the rapist, but what the rapist forgets is that God created the victim too.
Yeah, there's always a catch.

floare farcas-petrescu said...

Thanks so much for posting the TRUTH about Quran. I refer to your website any times when replying to news in the media concerning Islam.

Michelle Nix said...

I actually have a question, when someone brings up the fact that Muhammad sanctions rape of slaves Muslim's will trot out the tired Tirade of "No, no, its not rape--slaves can't be raped it's against our teachings it must be CONSENSUAL." or some such nonsense.

Now I know commonsense dictates that war prisoners will usually not willingly sleep with the person who pillaged their lands, probably killed their father, brother, cousin, husband, or even son much less do it in front of one's husband--but how can their argument be definitively disproven when the Quran does not say it was rape or otherwise?

Bokul Ali said...

WHY ARE YOU FUCKING LYING YOU PIECE OF SHIT, you think we're stupid ? you're taking words from the quran and twisting them, THE QURAN DOESN'T ALLOW pre-martial sex therefore what you said is contradicting, and it is not true, you're not even a fucking muslim yourself, 'david woods' stfu and stick to your own shit, and btw, that slag who posted a comment saying ' thank you for posting the truth about islam' can also go to hell, you're as dumb as each other. RANT OVER...oh btw..islam is the FASTEST growing religion..you mad bro;) ? lmao dumbass'

Usman Ali Raza said...

Hi
well I don't know where to start, firstly you either do not know english or you don't know how to read, the verses that you mentioned above use the word 'sex' and not rape, so you can clearly have 'sex' with your slave but not rape. So clearly you yourself do not know what you are writing. And as the guy already said, Islam does not allow pre-marriage sex so first learn to read and understand what you read and then come write an article.
May God give you the ability to read and interpret.
Amen
yours(not) Truly

George Berkovic said...

Hi There,

Adding on to Usman Raza's quote, the Quran uses the term sex in which both man and woman must agree on intercourse.Rape is nothing near sex. Also the Salifi rulings are no longer valid. Shiite Scholars and leaders condemn rape and killing of people who are not muslims. Salifi believe only their religion should remain and all other religions must be abolished. Shiite muslims not to be confused with Ismaili muslims, adapt to their enviroments creating more peace and harmony. I hope all readers do further more researching before coming to a conclusion on this biased and Zionist controlled website

May God Help You Understand the True Islam

Japie said...

So what are muslims proposing here?

1. Per-marital sex is not allowed except for sex with slaves (as per quran above)

2. Rape is not allowed (scripture references???)

3. Sex is allowed with slave women even if they are still maried (clear from mentioned scriptures)

Conclusion according to the Muslim defenders here:
The captured women were so glad to be taken from their husband and couldn't wait to consent to have sex with their new masters. Their families were either killed or taken slaves themselves so they were eager to get stuck in themselves and submit and enjoy sex with their captures.

Yeah that sounds really convincing. NOT!

Khan said...

You bastard lying I read it nothing say like that is say (not fornication) it mean not intercourse

Ali Nasir said...

O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower [money given by the husband to the wife for the marriage contract] ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good (Qu’ran An-nisa 19)



Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: "He who believes in Allah and the Hereafter, if he witnesses any matter he should talk in good terms about it or keep quiet. Act kindly towards woman, for woman is created from a rib, and the most crooked part of the rib is its top. If you attempt to straighten it, you will break it, and if you leave it, its crookedness will remain there. So act kindly towards women. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 008, Number 3468)"


the Prophet directed husbands how they should approach their wifes, He said: “None of you should fall upon his wife like an animal; but let there first be a messenger between you.” The Companions exclaimed, “What is that messenger?” The Prophet replied, “Kisses and (romantic) words!” (Reported by Al-Daylami)

Imam Ibn al-Qayyim (Allah have mercy on him) reports in his famous “Tibb al-Nabawi” that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) forbade from engaging in sexual intercourse before foreplay. (See: al-Tibb al-Nabawi, 183, from Jabir ibn Abd Allah)


Narrated Jarir bin 'Abdullah: "Allah's Apostle said, 'Allah will not be merciful to those who are not merciful to mankind.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, ONENESS, UNIQUENESS OF ALLAH (TAWHEED), Volume 9, Book 93, Number 473)"

"Allah forbids you not, With regard to those who Fight you not for (your) Faith Nor drive you out Of your homes, From dealing kindly and justly With them: For Allah loveth Those who are just” (The Noble Quran, 60:8)


1. How can there be a rape with out foreplay?
2. How can there be a rape without treating the women (Wife/ What your right hand possess) like an animal?
3.And you can be kind by raping what your right hand possess but you are not when you deprived them of their inheritance?


Islam never teaches you wrong. Neither Prophet nor Quran taught us wrong. But its true some muslims do not understand Quran or Hadith well enough and misinterpret it.

Ali Nasir said...

"Now I know commonsense dictates that war prisoners will usually not willingly sleep with the person who pillaged their lands, probably killed their father, brother, cousin, husband, or even son much less do it in front of one's husband--but how can their argument be definitively disproven when the Quran does not say it was rape or otherwise?"

Quran just states it is lawful for the man to have intercourse with the female captive. It does not state it is obligatory nor does it say it is lawful to rape. In my previous comment i have clearly stated the verse of Quran where Allah commands men to treat women kindly.

"The captured women were so glad to be taken from their husband and couldn't wait to consent to have sex with their new masters. Their families were either killed or taken slaves themselves so they were eager to get stuck in themselves and submit and enjoy sex with their captures.

Yeah that sounds really convincing. NOT!"

Do you have any historical evidence to suggest that female captives were raped? or forced? But imagine an helpless women whose family is killed left on his own. How is she protected from rapists? or why would she not indulge in prostitution when she has nothing? Islam gives a way where she can be protected by his master from the rapists and she doesnt not need to indulge in prostitution for money or pleasure. Is to not better than getting raped? or doing prostitution to support yourself? It is!

And now you would say why cant they be set fee?the answer is it is encouraged in islam but not at the time of war to protect the muslims information falling in the enemies hands which every non muslim would do too..

As i said in my previous comment, you have to understand and research enough to draw conclusions about the rulings of islam. You cant take a verse out of the book and state hey islam allows rape.. utter nonsense...

Japie said...

@Ali Nasir,

These rules bat treatment of women is for Muslim women. Not necessarily for Kafir women.

Is there historical evidence of rape/ forced sex? That's what we have been discussing in this post. Read the actual article by David wood. It clearly tells the time of Mohamed's companions who captures Arabic women (by the way, capturing women as selves IS using force). They practiced azl because they had not had sex in a while. Did the women have any say in this or give consent? Of course not, they were their property. And like I said, would these women have gladly given consent to these men having sex with them? Very unlikely.

So no, it doesn't mention the word rape, but this is a pretty good description of it. If this isn't rape, what is?

Japie said...

To give you a modern day example, do the Yazidi girls consent to having sex with their captures? How likely is this especially when you hear the reports? I mean their family has been killed or captured, these women are heavily distressed.

So I would almost say it sounded funny when you said that we can't say for definite that these women did not consent because the Quran did not say it was rape, except for the horrifying reality of it.

And let me say something else. As a Christian, I feel offended at the suggestion that God would give permission, not only to allow his people to capture slaves in the way Muslims did/do, but to abuse them for sex is utterly despicable.

How could this possible come from a Holy God?

Khaja Ansari said...

I S I L is a creation of the Zionist state of Israel and C I A. This is continuation of the conspiracy of Iraq war to loot, plunder and kill millions of Muslims. Modern day crusade against Muslims , so to speak. These ISIL thugs do not represent Islam as we know it. Anyone believing otherwise either has no commonsense or is the enemy of mankind. You cannot trick all the people all the time. Keep trying.

These conspirators are the same whose ancestors defied the God of Moses and rebelled against both. Moses is the only prophet who cursed his followers and asked God to punish them severely. They put Jesus on the cross and one Jewish women poisoned Prophet Mohammed but could not kill him. Horrible fate and swift retribution awaits them in the hereafter for God is witnessing their evil to gentiles.

These accursed losers have been disobeying God's commandment and defying His prophets from biblical times. ISIL is their latest invention. They never succeeded in their conspiracies and never will, because satan is on their side.

Erwin Anciano said...

It saddens me that their are people who are completely missing the fact that, whether it's rape or consensual, the Quran actually permits slavery and the pillaging of other people's lands, lives and property.

That alone is evil as evil gets. No amount of sophistry -- and yes all this ridiculous defense of"it's not rape! It's consensual" is all sophistry -- will change that we are dealing wih a religion that condones slavery "because it's okay according to our holy scriptures."

Bluenoser12 Cam said...

Khaja... really? Blame everyone else, always the victim. The Jews are to blame, it's the CIA or Mossad, or the US. So Muslims are flying from all around the world to join Israel or the CIA? I guess if they can be sucked into following a pedophile, a murderer, a caravan robber/thief, a sex maniac like Mo, then I can see why you think that, because obviously followers of Islam are eaaily fooled. You would think they would figure out that a man who every time he met a beautiful woman would instantly get a revelation that she is suppose to be his wife (even his foster son's wife), so he had to make up another revelation from Allah to allow him to have her get a divorce.. too funny. Or how he's so special he gets to have 13 wives, and how he had the sexual prowess of 40 men (like that is a great quality for a Prophet), not spirituality, but sexual prowess..ha! The fact that Islam has a law that anyone who leaves Islam can be killed PROVES it's a cult.. kinda keeps everyone in line like communism or facism... guess that's why the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and Hitler were such good buddies... Satan is on someone's side but I'm thinking it's MO, since he admitted he was fooled by Satan...(Satanic verses)..

Amit Khanna said...

The Qur'an never once speaks of Allah's love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah's cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times

shashank soni said...

What i have learn from all the above is that religions are made to divide humans from humanity..... request to all....above all religion...there is a bigger thing in life...HUMANITY.... if we all follow that...world will be more beautiful than ever...

Audrey Grettie said...

I would like to hear more from moderate Muslims that would never think of capturing and raping a 12 year girl to death, how ISIL members can justify such behavior? Whether ISIL is a construct of larger and insidious political machines or not, the members of ISIL believe completely that they are following Islam according to the Qur'an. There are also reports that this raping is conducted as a religious observance with statements that god is pleased by the raping of non-Muslim women. Are these people brainwashed by perverse religious leaders or do these beliefs have a place in Islamic practice? Let me just put it out there that I don't think any religious practice is inherently bad, but sometimes the followers can be down right evil.

TDMASOAK said...

Corrupt people of all religions make up crap as they go, whether the Quran gives the OK or NOT to rape,,,it is happening and carried out by a group of Muslims that seem to be brainwashed un-educated idiots.

Bluenoser12 Cam said...

TDMASOAK... think about it... they revere a man who killed over 600 men in 1 day, was obsessed with sex, promise unlimited sex in heaven, had sex with his dead Aunt, married his adopted son's wife after he ok'd divorce to do so, wore Aisha's dress, endorsed and had sex slaves, so in other words you'd have to be brain-washed and un-educated idiots to get sucked into the cult. Those born into Islam know no other way, and if they try to leave they can be killed...

Bluenoser12 Cam said...

Sahih Muslim 3371—We went out with Allah’s Messenger on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing azl (withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Messenger, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

Sahih al-Bukhari 4138—We went out with Allah’s Apostle for the invasion of Bun Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus [same as "azl" above]. So when we intended to do coitus interruptus, we said: "How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah’s Apostle who is present among us? We asked (him) about it and he said: "It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul till the Day of Resurrection is predestined to exist, it will exist."

Sahih Muslim 3384—Jabir bin Abdullah reported that a person asked Allah’s Apostle saying: I have a slave-girl and I practice azl with her, whereupon Allah’s Messenger said: This cannot prevent that which Allah has decreed. The person then came (after some time) and said: Messenger of Allah, the slave-girl about whom I talked to you has conceived, whereupon Allah’s Messenger said: I am the servant of Allah and His Messenger. So it's very clear that Mo's men had SEX with those they captured.
And here's for the married women that they captured...

Qur’an 4:24—Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess ...

Here's the historical background for this verse:

Sunan Abu Dawud 2150—The Apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.” That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period.

Thus, the Qur’an allows men to have sex with their female captives and slave girls, and the Hadith provides numerous examples of how this was practiced. Yet we must follow this fact through to its logical conclusion. Muslims decided to have sex with their captives, whom they were later going to sell. Some of these captives were women whose husbands and families had been slaughtered by Muslims. Others had husbands who had been captured by Muslims. Would these women gladly consent to sexual intercourse with men who had killed their families or taken their families captive, and who were simply going to sell them into slavery when they arrived at the next town? Certainly not. But since the Qur’an and Muhammad authorized sex with these women (and said nothing about seeking their permission), we can only conclude that Muhammad allowed his followers to rape their captives.

Ashiq Waheed said...

I am a Muslim Woman, 50 years old, just recently came to know of such practice, I am disappointed, sad, upset, I cannot find a word to explain how emotionally upset I am, there is no excuse to have sex with female slaves of that time, keeping several female slaves to have fun besides wife, and according to religious leaders, wife has no right to object against it. Wow, this is wrong.
According to my research, it was a common act among people of those times regardless of religion. But muslim were supposed to fix the social problem, not twist it, to enjoy having 4 wives and then several female slaves, there is no excuse.
They were smart enough to provide roof for these women, other stronger women of that time could participate in opening a shelter for those sad and emotionally disturbed women who saw murder and death of their people.
I was not expecting this from muslims of that time and Prophet Mohammad. They were smarter than this, they were better than that, they could do better than that.
So it means they also thought of women as a toy, a thing, a left over thing, just play with her,
Did Allah make a difference between men and women? Did really Allah say that to go ahead and kill all the men and play with their women or it is said by males of that time, not Allah. I don't think Allah can say that, no way.

Allah cannot say that! I have a 100% doubt.

I am sorry Allah Tallah, I love you very much, I feel Prophet Mohammad was a human being, not an angel, he did a lot of good but he made mistakes. This is one of them.

If I am wrong please forgive me, I am not a scholar just a simple human being, using my common sense. Mrs.Waheed.

Audrey Grettie said...

Thank you Mrs. Waheed. I think that you are right that this brutality was taking place before Mohammad. It is an ugly war tactic that has occurred in many cultures of many religions all over the world (Vikings, Gengis Khan, Bosnian Serb forces, Hutus, etc...) I also agree with TDMKSOAK that people will use their religion to justify whatever it is that they want to do.
I just wonder if so many people agree that rape is an atrocity, and those who commit it are monstrous, why are more people not attempting to prevent it? The problem is a human problem not a muslim problem. I can only speak for myself, but I guess I am asking muslim people about this practice because I don't understand the religious rhetoric that is being used to justify the action. I also know that my opinion means very little to the perpetrators because I do not adhere to a religion. It seems that reforming this sanctioned crime against women needs to come from within the culture and religion that it belongs to.

oluwatosinj said...

then how can i follow a religion that is god allow raping the minor and slave...a religion where is prophet molest and rape under age girl without his god see bad thing in that.. a religion that allow man to beat his wife..a religion where his god created man and woman but just decided to make woman a man's toy....a religion that beleieve that god created all things including pig but just decided people not to touch what he created, i wonder why that god created the animal then...a religion that show that god hate unbeliever to extent telling his follower to kill unbeliever...God almighty i love u for the religion of peace and love u gave my parent to teach me this your way..

Rasheed said...

You people are blaming Muslims, they are human beings created but Almighty and when a Muslim is born, he is as innocent as newborn of any other religion but fault lies with Quran which advocates hatred against non Muslims and to betterment of globe and global community, this book should be either banned or hatred chapters removed.

Audrey Grettie said...

I hear what you are saying Rasheed. People are trying to live in a social environment that condones brutality against women, but they are products of the culture themselves. I have a question about your attitude about the Quaran however. If the Quaran is the major holy book for people who are Muslim, then not following the teachings of the Quaran will result in a person no longer being a Muslim. Isn't blaming the Quaran similar to blaming Muslims? Thank you for your honest reply.

Ron Meijer said...

All these discussions aside, if we look at the real world and all the raping muslims do, it is not hard to see how muslims that matter, are opportunistically interpreting the koran to rape, abuse and behave badly.

The islam needs a reform and the koran needs to be rewritten.
I hope they do it quickly because at current breeding rates, in thirty years, there will be more muslims on the planet than civilized people.

No scratch that, I think there are plenty of decent muslims but your koran needs a review to be even remotely acceptable in modern society.

Audrey Grettie said...

Radical, small-minded brutes come in all religious and spiritual flavors. If the bible is interpreted literally Europe and North America would be living in the Middle Ages. Don't hold all followers of Islam responsible for a bunch of crazy jihadists.

Bluenoser12 Cam said...

Audrey... sorry but your making excuses for Islam doesn't work for me. No other religion, even though Islam is an ideology and not a religion, condones murder, rape, sex slaves like Islam. Sweden, Norway and other European countries have had their rape cases skyrocket with the arrival of Islamic immigrants, you only have to listen to their talking about Western women are all whores and all the children in Western society are iligitimate and don't know their fathers etc... the New Testament brought Christianity out of the dark ages with the teachings of Jesus, Islam is stuck in the 7th century....7th century mentality in the 21st century doesn't work..

Isis is not islam said...

Qur'an says your allowed to have sex with them not rape. There was a hadith regarding the rape of a slave and umar (Ra) said to stone the man.

Bluenoser12 Cam said...

ISIS is not Islam... wrong, ISIS is 100% Islam, they even quote passages from the Quran to justctify their brutality.Mo himself killed over 600 in 1 day.. Mo taught abbrogation, that is if there is a conflict in teaching the LATTER will prevail... which is why the peaceful teachings of Mo when he was in Mecca are replaced by the violent passages when he was in Medina and a warlord, robbing caravans, killing everyone who disagreed with him...

yop less said...

Islam is what we make of it. The scriptures are only a guide from which we can source wisdom. We should not follow it when it condones the most vile desires of men. Rape is disgusting, and failing to treat women with respect is a disgrace to any muslim.

Japie said...

Yop less That sounds honorable, but if we have to start cherry picking and use our human judgement to decide what is good and what is bad, then what does that say about the Quran? Why follow it at all? Why not follow Lord of the Rings for example?

Further to this, if the Quran IS the word of Allah, and we have to cherry pick what Allah commands, then we are saying that Allah is not all good, but he himself needs to be vetted and sanitized. Once we start saying this, Allah is no longer God. By definition God must be the greatest and holiest being worthy of worship. A god like this is not worthy of worship.

Finally, the quran demands unquestioning obedience to both the quran and Mohammed. Rape as we know it is condoned both by Allah in the quran and Mohammed in the sunnah. In fact he practised this himself and encouraged it. The quran states that Mohammed was the most perfect example of how to live and muslims must imitate him to every small detail. By saying that the scriptures are only a guide, you pull the rug from underneath the whole of the quran and sunnah and there just is no islam left.

Heather Rose said...

Yeah, sex with a slave is ALWAYS consensual! To believe that is either delusional or just plain stupid. You know that rape is technically sex, right? Riiight.

Tamsin Mc Cormick said...

To anyone posting here :- Although the word "rape" is not used in the translation , what is described here is rape !! The only ambiguity I can see is that is seems to be sanctioned only for married men, There is sufficient room for interpretation to allow
men in general.But then that opens a completely different can of worms on Islam.!!

Vikram said...

Thanks so much

happy cows said...

Don't know why muslim women still follow this religion when they know their worth. Wife beating is allowed, polygamy is allowed, marrying a girl child is allowed, raping slaves is allowed and etc. etc.
for all those women who back islam by saying that it is peaceful, have not actually lived under Sharia. And they should be thankful for this to their God Allah and pray that "Thank God we are not living under the law that you made for us women"...

Cautious Believer said...

Regardless of what anyone says, what your right hand possesses - and being able to possess a slave? I don't understand, back then or now, how it's okay to possess a slave - period.

nomessinoo9 said...

I get a laugh, this is a good read. Let's not leave out Muslim's penchant for boys. Muslims vision of paradise includes being served by "eternal youths" These youths are boys. Fact, of the estimated 1.5 million street children in Pakistan. The number of sexually abused children is about 90%. Fact an old Bedouin expression "A goat for use, a women for enjoyment, a boy for ecstasy" Just thought you'd like to know. And the term is "pedestry" And let's not forget about " Bacha Bazi" Dancing boys of the middle east that would drive men into a frenzy.

Bobby English said...

Sahih Bukhari

Volume 7, Book 63, Number 259:

Narrated Abu Juhaifa:

The Prophet cursed the lady who practices tattooing and the one who gets herself tattooed, and one who eats (takes) Riba' (usury) and the one who gives it. And he prohibited taking the price of a dog, and the money earned by prostitution, and cursed the makers of pictures.

David,

Time to give this hadith, some publicity

Bobby English said...

AFGHAN MEN STRUGGLE WITH SEXUAL IDENTITY, STUDY FINDS
Published January 28, 2010
FoxNews.com
As if U.S. troops and diplomats didn't have enough to worry about in trying to understand Afghan culture, a new report suggests an entire region in the country is coping with a sexual identity crisis.
An unclassified study from a military research unit in southern Afghanistan details how homosexual behavior is unusually common among men in the large ethnic group known as Pashtuns -- though they seem to be in complete denial about it.
The study, obtained by Fox News, found that Pashtun men commonly have sex with other men, admire other men physically, have sexual relationships with boys and shun women both socially and sexually -- yet they completely reject the label of "homosexual." The research was conducted as part of a longstanding effort to better understand Afghan culture and improve Western interaction with the local people.
The research unit, which was attached to a Marine battalion in southern Afghanistan, acknowledged that the behavior of some Afghan men has left Western forces "frequently confused."
The report details the bizarre interactions a U.S. Army medic and her colleagues had with Afghan men in the southern province of Kandahar.
In one instance, a group of local male interpreters had contracted gonorrhea anally but refused to believe they could have contracted it sexually –
"because they were not homosexuals."
[JUST PERVERTS]
Apparently, according to the report, Pashtun men interpret the Islamic prohibition on homosexuality to mean they cannot "love" another man -- but that doesn't mean they can't use men for "sexual gratification."
The group of interpreters who had contracted gonorrhea joked in the camp that they actually got the disease by "mixing green and black tea." But since they refused to heed the medics' warnings, many of them re-contracted the disease after receiving treatment.
The U.S. army medic also told members of the research unit that she and her colleagues had to explain to a local man how to get his wife pregnant.
The report said:
"When it was explained to him what was necessary, he reacted with disgust and asked, 'How could one feel desire to be with a woman, who God has made unclean, when one could be with a man, who is clean? Surely this must be wrong.'"
The Pashtun populations are concentrated in the southern and eastern parts of the country. The Human Terrain Team that conducted the research is part of a military effort to learn more about local populations.
The report also detailed a disturbing practice in which older "men of status" keep young boys on hand for sexual relationships. One of the country's favorite sayings, the report said, is "women are for children, boys are for pleasure."

Unknown said...

Those muslims really talk like their father satan. He too kills, he is the father of lies. I follow my father in heaven so i dont kill, rape women, steal, but try to honour my father my following his commandments.

Saad said...

The answer is big No.

Wahabi and ISIS does not follow Islam. They have started a new religion..

All the above Quranic verse or hadees does not says to rape a slave woman..

According to authentic hadees by Umar bin Khataab second caliph , a rapist has to be stoned to death, if he rape his slave woman..

http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/does_islam_permit_muslim_men_to_rape_their_slave_girls_

unknown said...

I've read many of the comments posted here and have to express the disappointment and sadness I feel for the majority of this world taking Holy books and teachings and wearing them as team banners, a countries flag, a gangs color, etc. Its outright pathetic! We've become so indoctrinated by words that we've lost the spirit of time teachings. Our egos are taking the stage in the form of childish bickering and we've become lawyers making loops through law. If you BELIEVE in your religion, it ceases to be religion. It becomes "faith". Everyone says they're willing to die for their faith. Then die to yourselves and live out your faith in action, not words. Let your lives testify to that faith and let God judge who's faith is true. God bless you.

Japie said...

OK, so it does not use the word "rape". But what do these hadith permit? Men having sex with their captive/slave women. A captive/slave is property, and so he does not require to get consent, she is his property. So from a Quran/hardith perspective, it is not rape as having sex without her consent is not a violation of any law. However, is having sex against her will allowed? Well yes, because she is a slave and has no say! But then in my book, this is rape. If you insist it is not, it still shows that Muhammed was not the greatest person ever lived. He encouraged slavery, slave markets, forceful sex etc... OK, the quran does not call this rape, it does not see anything wrong with this. Of course, it is consistent within it's own moral framework. But boy, some moral framework!

Saad said...

Japie

You cannot force your slave to have Sex. If you rape your slave, you should be stoned to death..
Sex was not a Sin if it is mutual.

Allah has forbidden prostitution or selling slave women for sexual service.

Allah said:from Quran

وَلَا تُكْرِهُوا فَتَيَاتِكُمْ عَلَى الْبِغَاءِ إِنْ أَرَدْنَ تَحَصُّنًا لِّتَبْتَغُوا عَرَضَ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا

Do not compel your slave girls to prostitution if they desire chastity, seeking thereby the interests of worldly life.

Surah An-Nur 24:33

Jabir reported: Abdullah ibn Ubayy Al-Salul would say to his servant girl, “Earn us something from prostitution.” So Allah the Exalted revealed the verse:

وَلَا تُكْرِهُوا فَتَيَاتِكُمْ عَلَى الْبِغَاءِ إِنْ أَرَدْنَ تَحَصُّنًا لِّتَبْتَغُوا عَرَضَ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا

Do not compel your slave girls to prostitution if they desire chastity, seeking thereby the interests of worldly life. (24:33)

Source: Sahih Muslim 3029, Grade: Sahih

Therefore, Islam absolutely forbids what is known as the “sex trade” wherein women are bought and sold for sexual intercourse, either willingly or by compulsion.

Regarding the crime of rape, the Prophet applied the legal punishment of adultery to those who committed this heinous sin.

Abu Alqama reported: A woman went out to pray during the time of the Prophet and she was met by a man who attacked her and raped her. She said, “This man has molested me!” The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

ارْجُمُوهُ

He is condemned to death.

Source: Sunan At-Tirmidhi 1454, Grade: Sahih

Similarly, Umar condemned a man to death for having unlawful intercourse with a female captive he had acquired during war.

Harun ibn Al-Asim reported: Umar ibn Al-Khattab sent Khalid ibn Al-Waleed with the army and Khalid sent Dirar ibn Al-Azwar along with a company and they invaded a district belonging to the tribe of Asad. They captured a beautiful girl and Dirar was impressed with her. He asked his companions to give her to him and they did, then he had intercourse with her. A letter was sent to Umar and he replied:

فَكَتَبَ عُمَرُ أَنْ أَرْضِخْهُ بِالْحِجَارَةِ

He should be stoned to death.

Source: Sunan Al-Kubra 16761

As such, the founding jurists of the schools of Islamic law considered the crime of rape to be a major sin in the category of adultery, specifically mentioning the case of a man who rapes a female captive he acquires during war.

Imam Ash-Shafi’ee said:

وَإِذَا اغْتَصَبَ الرَّجُلُ الْجَارِيَةَ ثُمَّ وَطِئَهَا بَعْدَ الْغَصْبِ وَهُوَ مِنْ غَيْرِ أَهْلِ الْجَهَالَةِ أُخِذَتْ مِنْهُ الْجَارِيَةُ وَالْعُقْرُ وَأُقِيمَ عَلَيْهِ حَدُّ الزِّنَا

If a man acquires a slave girl by force and then he rapes her, and he is not an ignorant person, then the slave girl is taken from him. He must pay the fine and the legal punishment for adultery will be applied to him.

Source: Al-Umm 253

It is not true, as some anti-Muslim speakers have claimed, that a woman who is raped should be punished.

Imam Malik said:

وَالْعُقُوبَةُ فِي ذَلِكَ عَلَى الْمُغْتَصِبِ وَلَا عُقُوبَةَ عَلَى الْمُغْتَصَبَةِ فِي ذَلِكَ كُلِّهِ

The legal punishment is applied to the rapist and there is no punishment for the woman who was raped in any case.

Source: Muwatta 1418

Hadees is here..
http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/does_islam_permit_muslim_men_to_rape_their_slave_girls_

Japie said...

Saad,

"You cannot force your slave to have Sex. If you rape your slave, you should be stoned to death.. Sex was not a Sin if it is mutual."

Well let's look at the evidence.

"Abu Alqama reported: A woman went out to pray during the time of the Prophet and she was met by a man who attacked her and raped her. She said, “This man has molested me!” "

This is an example of a muslim man attaching a muslim woman. She is not a slave. This is not the scenario we are discussing here.

"Do not compel your slave girls to prostitution if they desire chastity, seeking thereby the interests of worldly life." Again, we are not discussing prostitution where a woman receives payment for sex with customers.

"Harun ibn Al-Asim reported: Umar ibn Al-Khattab sent Khalid ibn Al-Waleed with the army and Khalid sent Dirar ibn Al-Azwar along with a company and they invaded a district belonging to the tribe of Asad. They captured a beautiful girl and Dirar was impressed with her. He asked his companions to give her to him and they did, then he had intercourse with her. A letter was sent to Umar and he replied:
He should be stoned to death."

There is no mention of why he was to be put to death. Was it because he forced sex upon her? Or did he just take liberty without going through the proper procedure of sharing booty? It doesn't say. Besides, we have all the examples above where companions of Mohammed captured women and had sex with them.

And then the Quran itself sanctions it: "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee" 33:50

"If a man acquires a slave girl by force and then he rapes her, and he is not an ignorant person, then the slave girl is taken from him. He must pay the fine and the legal punishment for adultery will be applied to him. Source: Al-Umm 253"

Again, we're not talking about a man taking a girl as a slave by force. We are talking about kufar women taken captive through jihad war and the companions have gone through all proper procedures in sharing the booty. As a slave owner, the Quran and Mohammad sanction sexual intercourse with their slave girls/women. There's nothing about their rights or consent, simply because they are their property and have no say in the matter.

So it all comes down to the question, would all of these women have happily given consent given that their husbands and family were slaughtered by the same men? Or worse, were still alive but they were taken from them?

Even if you don't call this rape, is this the high standard of the best person who ever lived? Is this the ideal model man to be emulated?

Hentai1987 said...

Do you have any historical evidence to suggest that female captives were raped? or forced? But imagine an helpless women whose family is killed left on his own. How is she protected from rapists? or why would she not indulge in prostitution when she has nothing? Islam gives a way where she can be protected by his master from the rapists and she doesnt not need to indulge in prostitution for money or pleasure. Is to not better than getting raped? or doing prostitution to support yourself? It is!


First you kill all her family member and than you offer slave status because prostituion is worse? You are pretty disgusdting

The Maliki_school said for example that rapists will get the hadd punishment but women have to PROOF that they got raped
http://www.academia.edu/1339459/Rape_in_Maliki_Legal_Doctrine_and_Practice_8th15th_Centuries_CE_

Heather said...

I am a Christian, who has taken interest in the Muslim religion; as a way to better understand my fellow neighbors and co workers. After reading this, the comments above, and other articles, I just have to say, I am so glad I have a God that LOVES ME. The Bible is so beautiful. I think the largest difference between the Koran and the Bible is this; the Koran speaks about YOUR love for god, were the Bible speaks of GODS LOVE FOR US. It is not until you know how loved you are that you can truly begin to love others. As with what is written above, the God I know causes me to be a reflection of Him. Prisoners, human ownership, and sex outside of marriage is not a reflection of an all loving, peaceful God.

Japie said...

@Heather - amen to that!

Saad said...

Japie,

Read carefully

Umar condemned a man to death for having unlawful intercourse with a female captive he had acquired during war.

Harun ibn Al-Asim reported: Umar ibn Al-Khattab sent Khalid ibn Al-Waleed with the army and Khalid sent Dirar ibn Al-Azwar along with a company and they invaded a district belonging to the tribe of Asad. They captured a beautiful girl and Dirar was impressed with her. He asked his companions to give her to him and they did, then he had intercourse with her. A letter was sent to Umar and he replied:

فَكَتَبَ عُمَرُ أَنْ أَرْضِخْهُ بِالْحِجَارَةِ

He should be stoned to death.

The hadees above point out that Dirar should be stoned to death
Why? For Capturing and raping a bride .. not for sharing bounty unjustly.
Because at that time according to shariat law, death penalty was for raping and adultery.

Hey Heather,
The original bible which was revealed to prophet Jesus pbuh in Hebrew was true and beautiful Not your english bible..

Stan Hallett said...

The Truth?! One need only to do a Google search such as "women raped by muslim captors" fund countless reports of captive women being raped, married to their muslim captors even though they we married already, sold into slavery and even killed for refusing to have sex with them.

Folks wake up! Islam is not just some other religion. They are at war with anyone that does not accept Allah, their so-called prophet and the Qur'an. We are at war!

Japie said...

Saad said: "Umar condemned a man to death for having unlawful intercourse with a female captive he had acquired during war."
And "The hadees above point out that Dirar should be stoned to death Why? For Capturing and raping a bride .. not for sharing bounty unjustly."

Saad, do you realise that you have just agreed that having intercourse with a female captive = rape. Thanks for your honesty.

We have therefore the Hadith that encourages Muslims to have sex with their female captives as quoted by David Wood in this article and that this is rape. Why? Because in David Wood's examples, Muslim men had captured women during war and had intercourse with them and Muhammad encouraged them not to hold back. And you have just affirmed that having sex with a female war captive is rape. Something that you think Umar condemned.

Btw, Umar only said he should be put to death, but does not say why.

Bashir Mohina said...

I do not believe this, Muhammad clearly says it doesn't matter if you do or not do which mean nobody is getting married that is rape

Bashir Mohina said...

Hey Brother Muslims, my father accepted Jesus only for one reason because God Elohim and Christ Jesus proved that they love us, the want our heart to completely be submitted to Jesus only he is the truth, life and way without Him no man goes to heaven plus check history of your country if Islam did attack your country than that means your forefathers raped or forced which means above that brother has mentioned it true, I accept Jesus as my saviour Amen hope you all too

Brianna Xoxo said...

Islam is a Sick and Disgusting Cult that should be Banned from the entire world, Nothing but evil has ever stemmed from it and nothing but evil is all it will ever truly be!

isma dhibto said...

people keep blaming ISLAM for all their misserble life how sad and there are some people playing they are muslims but only ALLAH knows the truth .. i love islam and all the muslims and i will never accept such lies as our prophet Mohammed peace be upon him was the greateste man ever walked on this earth and ALLAH IS The one ,, NEVER HAD A PARENTS AND NEVER BEGOT A SON AND NEVER HAD A WIFE AND NEVER HAD A SIBBLINGS AND NEVER WILL ,, ALLAH IS ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD ,, MAY ALLAH GUIDE YOU ALL .

isma dhibto said...

"In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate.
Say (O Muhammad) He is God the One God, the Everlasting Refuge, who has not begotten, nor has been begotten, and equal to Him is not anyone."

Japie said...

@Isma, I appreciate you have a strong faith in your prophet. Do you think it is right for a person to blindly trust someone, like a spouse, even if the evidence that they are cheating on him is stairing him in the face?
You state that Mohammad was the greatest person who ever lived, but your own scriptures (Quran) state that while Jesus was without sin (19:19), Mohammad had to ask Allah for forgiveness from his sin (47:19) Just from that fact alone, it makes Jesus a greater person, doesn't it?
Then what about all the evidence above? Can you truly say these are lies? Are the Hadith quoted above false? Is the Quran wrong about permitting Muslim men to have sex with their captives? The Quran is quite clear? Or do you think such acts are totally fine and morally great? Are these things that makes Mohammad great?

Lyluta Hassan said...

Your Hadith Sources are All Fake !!!!

Bluenoser12 Cam said...

Lyluta Hassan... actually the Quran and Hadith's are all fake.. Arabs in the Middle East were tired of hearing that the Jews were God's chosen people so they started their own cult where their god favored them.. a true God would not want to kill his creation like Islamists want to kill non-Muslims..the God of the Bible is not willing that any should perish, but all should be saved...

Japie said...

@Lyluta Hassan

Can you show evidence that these are fake? Could you please point out the correct ones with references and links? If they are fake then that is very important to know and I want to know that.

Thanks

Unknown said...

Lyluta Hassan said...

Your Hadith Sources are All Fake !!!!

YOU ARE A TAQIYYA/LYING MORONIC CRETIN:

RAPE IS A DIVINE RIGHT
RAPE IN ISLAM
Islam allows a man to have intercourse with his slave woman, whether he has a wife or wives or he is not married...Whoever regards that as haraam is a sinner who is going against the consensus of the scholars.
"Ruling on having intercourse with a slave woman when one has a wife"
Islam Q&A, Fatwa No. 10382, November 24, 2005.

Islam Question and Answer
General Supervisor: Shaykh Muhammad Saalih al-Munajjid
Mon 18 Raj 1437 - 25 April 2016

- Principles of Fiqh » Jurisprudence and Islamic Rulings » Transactions » Slavery.
arur
20802: Intercourse with a slave woman is not regarded as zina (adultery)
________________________________________
Hadith 3.718 : I saw Abu Said and asked him about coitus interrupts. Abu Said said, "We went with Allah's Apostle, in the Ghazwa of Bani Al-Mustaliq and we captured some of the 'Arabs as captives, and the long separation from our wives was pressing us hard and we wanted to practice coitus interruptus. We asked Allah's Apostle (whether it was permissible). He said, "It is better for you not to do so. No soul, (that Allah has) destined to exist, up to the Day of Resurrection, but will definitely come into existence."
Does this mean that the Companions of the Prophet (SAW) didn't commit adultery when they practiced 'azl with the captive girls?.
Published Date: 2002-12-27
Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:
This hadeeth was narrated by al-Bukhaari (2542) from Ibn Muhayreez who said: I saw Abu Sa’eed (may Allaah be pleased with him) and I asked him. He said: We went out with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) on the campaign of Banu al-Mustaliq, and we captured some prisoners from among the Arabs. We desired women and the period of abstention was hard for us, and we wanted to engage in ‘azl (coitus interruptus). We asked the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and he said, “There is no point in doing that, for there is no soul which Allaah has decreed should exist until the Day of Resurrection but it will come into existence.”

Unknown said...

RAPE
PART 2

According to another report, They captured some female prisoners and wanted to be intimate with them without them becoming pregnant. They asked the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about ‘azl and he said, “There is no point in doing that, for Allaah has decreed who should be created until the Day of Resurrection.”
This hadeeth was also narrated by Muslim (1438), whose version says: We captured some women of the Arabs and we had been abstinent for a long time; and we wanted to be able to sell them, but we wanted to engage in intimacy with coitus interruptus. We said, “Shall we do that when the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is among us without asking him about it?” So we asked the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and he said, “There is no point in doing that, for Allaah has not decreed that any soul should be created until the Day of Resurrection but it will come into existence.”
It may be understood from the hadeeth that those who wanted to engage in ‘azl did so for two reasons: they did not want the women to become pregnant, and they wanted to be able to sell them – if a slave woman got pregnant she could not be sold.
It may also be understood that ‘azl (coitus interruptus) does not change anything. If Allaah decrees that a child should be born, water (semen) will come out before the man realizes it.

Secondly:
Allaah has permitted intimacy with a slave woman if the man owns her. This is not regarded as adultery as suggested in the question. Allaah says, describing the believers (interpretation of the meaning):
“those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts)
Except from their wives or (the slaves) that their right hands possess,__ for then, they are free from blame”
[al-Mu’minoon 23:5]
What is meant by “those whom their right hands possess” is slave women or concubines. See also question no. 10382, 12562.
Once this is understood, it should be noted that what is suggested in the question, that this was zina, never occurred to the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them). What they were asking about was the ruling on practicing ‘azl with the slave women whom they had acquired in the course of jihad.
Moreover ‘azl may be done with a concubine or with a wife, if she agrees to that. See question no. 11885.
And Allaah knows best.
Islam Q&A

Saad said...

Japie,

If a man is stoned to death for raping a slave woman, so according to you Islam permit rape??

No..If it was permitted then why death for raping a slave woman.

Get some brain from Supermarket..

Saad said...

Sahih bukhari: Volume 8, Book 82, Number 806:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
A man came to Allah's Apostle while he was in the mosque, and he called him, saying, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse.'" The Prophet turned his face to the other side, but that man repeated his statement four times, and after he bore witness against himself four times, the Prophet called him, saying, "Are you mad?" The man said, "No." The Prophet said, "Are you married?" The man said, "Yes." Then the Prophet said, 'Take him away and stone him to death." Jabir bin 'Abdullah said: I was among the ones who participated in stoning him and we stoned him at the Musalla. When the stones troubled him, he fled, but we over took him at Al-Harra and stoned him to death.

Saad said...

Look what Torah say

Sahih Bukhari: Volume 8, Book 82, Number 809:
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:
A Jew and a Jewess were brought to Allah's Apostle on a charge of committing an illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet asked them. "What is the legal punishment (for this sin) in your Book (Torah)?" They replied, "Our priests have innovated the punishment of blackening the faces with charcoal and Tajbiya." 'Abdullah bin Salam said, "O Allah's Apostle, tell them to bring the Torah." The Torah was brought, and then one of the Jews put his hand over the Divine Verse of the Rajam (stoning to death) and started reading what preceded and what followed it. On that, Ibn Salam said to the Jew, "Lift up your hand." Behold! The Divine Verse of the Rajam was under his hand. So Allah's Apostle ordered that the two (sinners) be stoned to death, and so they were stoned. Ibn 'Umar added: So both of them were stoned at the Balat and I saw the Jew sheltering the Jewess.

Saad said...

Illegal sexual intercourse.
Sahih Bukhari
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 813:
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
When Ma'iz bin Malik came to the Prophet (in order to confess), the Prophet said to him, "Probably you have only kissed (the lady), or winked, or looked at her?" He said, "No, O Allah's Apostle!" The Prophet said, using no euphemism, "Did you have sexual intercourse with her?" The narrator added: At that, (i.e. after his confession) the Prophet ordered that he be stoned (to death).

Saad said...

Illegal sexual intercourse is not allowed in Islam..
For a married man, the punishment is stoned to death..
For an unmarried, the punishment is less strict, if sex is mutual.
For Rape (woman or slave woman) by unmarried or married, it is stoning to death penalty (Rajam).

Sahih bukhari
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 816:
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
'Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession." Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." 'Umar added, "Surely Allah's Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him."

Before writing an article , read all the hadees in Islam.

Saad said...

Punishment for unmarried guilty of illegal sex.

Volume 8, Book 82, Number 818:
Narrated Zaid bin Khalid Al-Jihani:
I heard the Prophet ordering that an unmarried person guilty of illegal sexual intercourse be flogged one-hundred stripes and be exiled for one year. Umar bin Al-Khattab also exiled such a person, and this tradition is still valid.

For a Married person and Rape (of woman or slave woman) done by (married or unmarried) is death penalty.(Rajam)
For unmarried guilty of mutual sex, punishment above is less severe of flogging..

Japie said...

@Saad, as Unknown and everyone in this thread has already shown over and over again, there are different rules for Muslims towards other Muslims than from Muslims towards Kufar. The Quran clearly says you can have sex with a slave and with captives whom your right hand posses. Then there are many examples from the Hadith that show examples. Please read them, then check them against the Hadith online and see them for yourselves. How can you stay with a religion that endorses slavery and worse allows men to have sex with their slaves. This is pure hate for no Muslims. There is a different way. There is a better way, a better man, a better book! Please come to Jesus. What a difference. While Mohammad had slaves and many wives, Jesus was not even married. He even reached out to non-Israelite women. While Mohammad commanded violent subjugation of the people of the book, Jesus commands to love your enemy and pray for them and do good to them. Imagine if everyone in the Middle East started doing this? The problems would be solved instantly. That would be real peace. Islam does not have this. It has only hate. You don't need that, surely you don't want that. Come to Isa! Many Muslims are coming to Him and so can you. At least ask God for the truth. He will reveal it to you, I'm sure of it.

Japie

Rhema said...

QUOTE:
A mujaahid does not have to be married in order to gain possession of a “slave whom one’s right hand possesses.” None of the scholars expressed such a view.

If a mujaahid takes possession of a female slave or male slave, it is permissible for him to sell them. In either case – whether one acquires a slave through battle or through purchase – it is not permissible for a man to have intercourse with a female slave until she has had a period from which it may be ascertained that she is not pregnant. If she is pregnant then he must wait until she gives birth.

Islam limited the sources of slaves which existed before the mission of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to just one source, namely slavery resulting from capturing prisoners from among the kuffaar.

SOURCE: https://islamqa.info/en/12562

According to this Islamic site - a man may be single and own sex slaves.

Saad said...

Japie,

You cannot rape a woman (muslim or non Muslim). Hadees is provided above.

You cannot RAPE your slaves (whether Muslim or NON MUSLIM). Hadees is provided where a war general who took part in so many battle to defend Islam was Stoned to dearh for raping a woman capturing during war.

So, forceful sex (rape) in any case is not allowed. (Muslim or Non muslim or Slave or Non Muslim slave.)

Now, few scholars say sex (mutual) with right hand posses (slave) was allowed. They generally follow Wahabism or Salafi doctrine of scholar Ibn Taimiyya or Abdul Wahab. True Muslim dont follow above fake extremist. Wahabis are notorius for distorting Quran meaning.Even Wahabis scholar Ibn Taimiya does not justify Raping your captives.

Most scholars deduce even mutual sex with slave is Not allowed.
Hadees which say mutual sex is allowed are fabricated or not true.

Now, Quranic verse you mention in your post above about right hand posses does NOT have the word "Sex" or "Rape" or "Rape your right hand posses".
What does it mention - open your heaet and read - "Right hand posses has been made lawful to you"
The word "lawful" does NOT imply in no way that you can rape non muslim or muslim captives.

Bukhari was written more than 200 years after prophet (saw) death. All scholars agree that all the hadees is not true..
Even Imam bukhari himself said all hadees collected by him are not true. Of the 300,000 hadith he collected, he considered only 100,000 might be true. He then narrowed this number down to 7,275, many of which are repetitions, so that the total number is in fact near 3,000.
Also, out of 3000 graded Sahih by him, few percentage are graded as weak or fabricated by other noted scholars.
For example, Bukari sahih note that there is bad luck in women. This hadees is fabricated because all prophets mother were women. Secondly, Under Islamic teachings, heavens lies under feet of mother.

So, it prove all hadees in bukhari ia not true.

READ the actual meaning of Right hand posses. Go to this link.

quransmessage.com/articles/sex%20with%20slave%20girls%20FM3.htm

Hence, Do not pick any hadees and jump to conclusions..

Any Judgement should always come from Quran and then all the hadees regarding that particular topic is research and then a judgement us made.

Also, there is not a single hadees reporting where FORCEFUL sex is allowed.
If forceful sex was done.. Penalty was Stoned to drath.

Further, You cannot put your slave into prostitution.
Also, Quran verses has also been provided above to urging muslims to release your Slaves as this was part of Imaan (religion).

Read the link above on right hand posses to remove your confusion.

Japie said...

@ Saad

"You cannot RAPE your slaves (whether Muslim or NON MUSLIM). Hadees is provided where a war general who took part in so many battle to defend Islam was Stoned to dearh for raping a woman capturing during war."

I have already replied to you about this. This hadith only mentions that he was stoned, not WHY he was stoned to death. It does NOT mention rape.

"Now, Quranic verse you mention in your post above about right hand posses does NOT have the word "Sex" or "Rape" or "Rape your right hand posses"."

Yusuf Ali's translation:
"Qur’an 23:1-6—The Believers must (eventually) win through—those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; *who abstain from sex*, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess—for (in their case) they are free from blame."

Sahih international: "And they who guard their private parts, Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed"

Lets see what one of your most trusted scholars, Ibn Kathir has to say on the meaning of this verse:
(And those who guard their private parts. Except from their wives and their right hand possessions, for then, they are free from blame. But whoever seeks beyond that, then those are the transgressors.) means, those who protect their private parts from unlawful actions and do not do that which Allah has forbidden; fornication and homosexuality, and do not approach anyone except the wives whom Allah has made permissible for them or their right hand possessions from the captives.

So clearly the context shows it means sex.

"Bukhari was written more than 200 years after prophet (saw) death. All scholars agree that all the hadees is not true..
Even Imam bukhari himself said all hadees collected by him are not true. Of the 300,000 hadith he collected, he considered only 100,000 might be true. He then narrowed this number down to 7,275, many of which are repetitions, so that the total number is in fact near 3,000."

This means nothing. The current Hadith of Bukhari ARE the remaining authentic 7,275 hadith

All your other claims rely on hadith mentioned being false and you have not demonstrated this.

Clearly, the Quran allows a Muslim man to have sex with his slave girls. Since a slave is property, no consent is necessary. Hence by implication, rape is allowed.

Saad said...

@Japie..

Read the hadees again

Harun ibn Al-Asim reported: Umar ibn Al-Khattab sent Khalid ibn Al-Waleed with the army and Khalid sent Dirar ibn Al-Azwar along with a company and they invaded a district belonging to the tribe of Asad. They captured a beautiful girl and Dirar was impressed with her. He asked his companions to give her to him and they did, then he had intercourse with her. A letter was sent to Umar and he replied:

فَكَتَبَ عُمَرُ أَنْ أَرْضِخْهُ بِالْحِجَارَةِ
He should be stoned to death.

First, after reading above hadees it is clear to anybody with little sense that Dirar was sentenced to death for capturing and raping a woman by caliph of that time Umar bin Khattab.
Secondly, Stoning to death (Rajm) was punishment at that time for raping and adultery.
Thirdly, the hadees does not mention of any war bounty.
Fourthly, never in Islamic history or Sharia, a man or woman was sentenced to death for unjustly taking war booty.

The above Sahih hadees prove that if you rape a slave (war captive) woman... You should be stoned to death.


This is conformity with one verse of Quran..

Quran 24:33
"And let those who do not find the means to marry keep chaste until Allah makes them free from want out of His grace. And (as for) those who ask for a writing from among those whom your right hands possess, give them the writing if you know any good in them, and give them of the wealth of Allah which He has given you; and do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, when they desire to keep chaste, in order to seek the frail good of this world's life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

Note from above verse: "Do not compel your slave girls into prostitution, when they desire to keep chaste"

Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah: "Musaykah, a slave-girl of some Ansari, came and said: My master forces me to commit fornication.
Thereupon the following verse was revealed: "But force not your slaves to prostitution (when they desire chastity). (24:33)"
(Translation of Sunan Abu Dawud, Divorce (Kitab Al-Talaq), Book 12, Number 2304)"

The problem with you is that you cannot digest the fact that Stoned to death is penalty for raping a slave in Islam.
So that your problem..

Saad said...

@Japie
Now, my above reply makes it pretty clear that raping a slave is death.

Now, coming to Yusuf ali translation and Ibn kathir tafsir, it is No where written you can rape or force your slave or right hand posses for sex.
I dont know how mutual sex is or can be implied as rape.

Saad said...

@Japie

My third comment..authentic hadees in bukhari..

Al-Hafiz ibn Hajar mentions a quote in an-Nukat ‘Ala ibn as-Salah that according to a number of Imams such as Yahya ibn Sa’id al-Qattan, Abdur Rahman ibn Mahdi, Ahmad ibn Hanbal, and others, the total number of hadiths (i.e. authentic) is 4,400. In Jami’ al-Ulum wa al-Hikam, ibn Rajab cites Abu Dawud as saying, “I examined the Musnad Hadiths (those that are connected with authentic chains) and found them to be 4,000.”

Just open your eyes and read only 4000 in all the hadees collected from prophet (saw) which is authentic..

Now coming to Bukhari, The total number of hadiths that are in the authentic collection of al-Bukhari and Muslim, be they agreed upon, or reported by only one of the two is said to be approximately 2900 without repetition.

So, it comes down to 2900 .. When you say 7275 .. You are bloating falsely.

https://islamicsciences.wordpress.com/2006/08/10/the-total-number-of-authentic-hadiths/

Japie said...

@Saad - it's so interesting that when I use Hadith as evidence, you say that many of the Hadith are fabricated or inauthentic. Then you proceed using Hadith to prove your case without any demonstration why your hadiths are authentic and mine are not. You're clearly using double standards.

You are also using a double standard when you claim that because the Quran doesn't mention sex or rape in the ayats I quoted, it is not talking about having sex or rape with what your right hand possesses. Yet you use as prove, repeatedly, the story of Dirar who had intercourse with the captured girl. And you conclude he was to be stoned to death because he raped her, even though the word rape is NOT mentioned here at all. Can't you see that you use double scales here? Isn't this inconsistent and dishonest?

"So, it comes down to 2900 .. When you say 7275 .. You are bloating falsely."

The 2900 are what's left if you remove the repeated hadiths from the 7275 or however many they are in Bukhari's volumes. So again, you have proved nothing.





Japie said...

@Saad - "Now, coming to Yusuf ali translation and Ibn kathir tafsir, it is No where written you can rape or force your slave or right hand posses for sex."

No it does not say literally rape, but like I have repeatedly said, a slave is property. Does a Muslim need permission to enter his own property? Of course not. Why should it be different with a slave if he is allowed to sleep with her.

But then I stumbled upon this interesting Hadith or early source from Al Muwatta

Yahya related to me from Malik from Humayd ibn Qays al-Makki that a man called Dhafif said that Ibn Abbas was asked about coitus interruptus. He called a slave-girl of his and said, "Tell them." She was embarrassed. He said, "It is alright, and I do it myself." Malik said, "A man does not practise coitus interruptus with a free woman unless she gives her permission. There is no harm in practising coitus interruptus with a slave-girl without her permission. Someone who has someone else's slave-girl as a wife, does not practise coitus interruptus with her unless her people give him permission." Al-Muwatta 29 32 100b

"Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relation) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning."" Bukhari 3237 and Muslim 1436

So a wife is not allowed to refuse consent, how will a slave concubine have any rights to refuse??

Bluenoser12 Cam said...

Knowledge of the Sunnah comes primarily from the hadiths (“reports”) about Muhammad’s life, which were passed down orally until codified in the eighth century AD, some hundred years after Muhammad’s death. The hadiths comprise the most important body of Islamic texts after the Quran; they are basically a collection of anecdotes about Muhammad’s life believed to have originated with those who knew him personally. There are thousands upon thousands of hadiths, some running to multiple pages, some barely a few lines in length. When the hadiths were first compiled in the eighth century AD, it became obvious that many were inauthentic. The early Muslim scholars of hadith spent tremendous labor trying to determine which hadiths were authoritative and which were suspect. In summary... the Hadith's are a bunch of stories that may or may not be true, kind of like Mormonism, say they believe in the Bible but all their "doctrine" comes from the Book of Mormon, made up by Mormon leaders to suit their ideology.. I guess the Quran apparently cannot stand on it's own as a divine book...