Friday, November 22, 2013

Somali Woman and Journalist Arrested for Reporting Rape

The results of Sharia have been disastrous. According to the Qur'an (24:4), a person can only be accused of sexual sin if there are four witnesses. If a man rapes a woman, and there aren't four witnesses standing around watching, the woman cannot accuse the man. Indeed, if she accuses a man, but can't produce four witnesses, she will be flogged with 80 lashes. Hence, when women accuse men of rape, the rapists go free, and the women are punished.

BBC—A woman has been arrested in Somalia's capital after she alleged in a video interview posted online that she had been raped at gunpoint by colleagues.

The journalist who interviewed the 19-year-old has also been detained in Mogadishu, but the two men accused of rape have not been arrested.

It has been reported that the arrests came after those accused of rape complained about defamation.

The UN has called for a "proper investigation" into the case.

Earlier this year, another alleged rape victim and the reporter she had spoken to were sentenced to a year in prison for "offending state institutions".

They were later released on appeal. (Continue Reading.)

11 comments:

Haecceitas said...

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David Wood talk at Central Florida ACT Chapter

My only complaints are the occasional breaks in the audio and also the fact that for the beginning part of the video, David's face is shown in a way too close of a close-up. The content, however, is excellent.

Sai Krishna said...

David, I have a Quran app on my phone and and I looked up 24:4 in that and it says if any one wants to accuse married woman of committing adultery they must produce 4 witnesses. This verse at its face value seems to be protecting the women. I am not sure what exactly does this verse say in Arabic. What are your thoughts?

David Wood said...

Sai,

Sharia extracts the principle for Islamic law. The principle in the verse is that, in order to accuse someone of sexual sin, you must be able to produce four witnesses. Hence, if a woman is raped, and she wants to accuse her rapist of sexual sin, she must produce four witnesses. If she can't, she will be punished.

I'm not sure how that protects women.

Sai Krishna said...

David, I have a Quran mobile app on my phone and looked up for Sura 4:24 and it reads as "if some one accuses the married women....". I am not sure what the Arabic says but based on the English translation it seems to me that this verse is protecting the married women. Also, it looks to me that the verse is talking about adultery and not rape. What are your thoughts?

David Wood said...

Sai,

Are you just going to post the same thing over and over without making any attempt to understand how Sharia works?

If someone accuses a woman of adultery, he must produce four witnesses. Why? Because adultery is such a serious sexual sin, Allah demands four witnesses before the penalty can be carried out.

So, if a woman accuses a man of rape (a serious sexual sin), do you think that the amount of evidence suddenly reduces to one woman's testimony? Bring forth your proof, so we can explain to Islam's greatest scholars why they've been misinterpreting Sharia.

rivan said...

David,

Im just came across this piece of news. Nation of ANGOLA BANS ISLAM!

http://www.africanglobe.net/africa/african-state-angola-bans-islam-mosques-destroyed/

I for one am divided on this. On the one hand I am really surprised and also impressed by this nation's fortitude to do this and on the other I am concerned about what kind of reprisals this could lead to in other muslim dominated nations.

Mohamoud Hassan Mohamed said...


Dear David Sura 24:4-5 says

(And those who accuse honorable women but bring not four witnesses, scourge them (with) eighty stripes and never (afterward) accept their testimony - They indeed are evil-doers -Except those who repent after this and act aright, for surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.)

the Verse talking about a man who accuse honorable women for making unlawful sex with another Man, if you fail to bring four witnesses then you are laying and deserved to be lashed by 80 lashes because you injured the goodwill of that honorable women.

Please try to understand the context of the verse before you post an article.

thatxx said...

Mohamoud Hassan Mohamed said:
Please try to understand the context of the verse before you post an article.

Yes, please let's understand the context. Continue your reading...further in the same sura it states:

Sura 24:8-9 (Sahih):
But it will prevent punishment from her if she gives four testimonies [swearing] by Allah that indeed, he is of the liars. And the fifth [oath will be] that the wrath of Allah be upon her if he was of the truthful.

If a woman was raped and the man states that she is lying, she would need to prove that he is the liar by bring forth 4 witnesses that can swear on her behalf that she has been raped. If she cannot, then she will be punished.

Now let me ask you, do you find this fair, just, and merciful?

Mohamoud Hassan Mohamed said...

@thatxx


hhmmmmhhhhhmmhhm respectfully you misunderstand the verses and that is the problem of Christians please read the verses carefuly.

(6 : As for those who accuse their wives but have no witnesses except themselves; let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies, (swearing) by Allah that he is of those who speak the truth;

7: And yet a fifth, invoking the curse of Allah on him if he is of those who lie.

8: And it shall avert the punishment from her if she bear witness before Allah four times that the thing he saith is indeed false,

9: And a fifth (time) that the wrath of Allah be upon her if he speaketh truth.)



the verse talking about if a man accused his wife that she made a sex with another man, he also has to bring four witnesses to prove his case. if he failed then he has to swear by allah that he is speaking the truth and she is lair.
then the judgement turns to her and asking her if she committed that sin, if she admit then she deserved punishment because she did unlawful sex. but if she say NO, then she also will swear four times by Allah that she is speaking the truth and her husband is lair.
then they will separate permanently.

That is the context of the verse, what is rape you are talking about, the verse talking about family issues.

Sai Krishna said...

Sorry David, my browser for some reason threw an error message when I tried to post my first comment so I thought my comment was not posted. So I retyped and entered again only to find that my former comment was posted and you responded to it already. So, my intention was not to post over and over and over again the same thing.

I was trying to understand the verse (24:4) on its own merit. From the plain reading the verse seems to not indicate the 'rape' but adultery. The accusing one is not the victim but the third party. The English translation says ' honorable women' so I saw its applicability to woman more specifically.

You said "So, if a woman accuses a man of rape (a serious sexual sin), do you think that the amount of evidence suddenly reduces to one woman's testimony?".

In response, I could think of some laws that were specific to women. Coming from India, I could think of the women's reservation law. The law is specific to women and no man can go and claims that 33 1/3 reservation quota on any ground. Having worked in the corporate world, I could think of certain laws to protect women which are not applicable to men. So, based on this understanding, my contention is this verse does not apply to the 'rape' cases or men. I may be wrong, I am open for correction.

I agree with you that Sharia interprets it this way. That's why I am trying to dismiss Sharia based on its false interpretation. What about great Islamic interpreters? Do yo rule out the possibility that they all got it wrong?

Please don't misunderstand me. I am not trying to prove that Quran is correct and it tried to protect women. If don't believe it a second. I learned that the context of this verse is Muhammad came up with this verse when somebody accused Ayesha of infidelity and there were only three witnesses, so to protect her he made up this rule. So if this is true, then the friend Mahamoud Hassan Mohamed shouldn't have uttered the word context atleast in this case. So, Quran which claims that it is a clear revelation from Allah has nothing to offer to a problem (men being accused as rapists) that is all over in the Islamic world.

I am learning about Islam from you, so I can't bring any proofs that you don't know. You are one of the best debaters I have ever seen.

Happy Thanks Giving!

thatxx said...

Mohamoud Hassan Mohamed, I respectfully disagree. (FYI: I’m Somali, born and raised in an Islamic family but I am agnostic. My understanding of the verses is quite clear based on my upbringing and the Imams that have taught me.)

You ask what is this rape I am referring to. Maybe you misunderstood the entire post but this is regarding a woman who had “unlawful sex” by force (also known as rape). Now, how is this dealt with in the Islamic community? She is to bring forth 4 witnesses to prove she indeed was raped in order to avoid 80 lashes for unlawful sex.

You stated: “the verse talking about if a man accused his wife that she made a sex with another man, he also has to bring four witnesses to prove his case.”

What if the woman then turns to him and states she was raped and denies his accusation? You’ve given me your answer to this. You stated: “but if she say NO, then she also will swear four times by Allah that she is speaking the truth and her husband is lair.”

Swear four times (aka, bring 4 witnesses). But how, Mohamoud, how? Tell me where she can conveniently find four witnesses to prove that she was forced into unlawful sex? Please share with me how your merciful Allah resolves this issue.