Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Muslims Attack French Embassy in Iran

Someone should arrest the Islamophobic guards at the French embassy who dared to get in the way of this peaceful attack!

TEHRAN, Iran – Dozens of Iranians angered over an anti-Islam film made in the U.S. and caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad published in a weekly in France have attacked the French Embassy in Tehran.

Shop vendors and residents in the area say protesters smashed a police guard post outside the embassy and a bulletin board at the embassy wall.

The say about 30 protesters were arrested following the attack on Tuesday morning. The witnesses spoke on condition of anonymity, fearing for their own safety.

Since the film's appearance, outraged Muslims around the world have rallied against it.

Iranians have held regular peaceful protests denouncing the film and the caricatures. State TV showed several rallies in cities around Iran on Tuesday but the embassy protest was apparently not officially endorsed and was not mentioned. (Source)

25 comments:

Samatar Mohamed said...

David wonders why the muslims are acting in such a manner against the United States as if the U.S. is innocent. What about the drone strikes in Pakistan that are killing innocent children. Don't you think that might have a part in why their is such a negative stance against the United States. And you would think Obama would stop these drone strikes due to the fact that innocent people are getting killed by it. Nope, I guarantee you if another country was doing drone strikes in America to get rid of some extremists and the drone strikes were killing innocent people their would be an uproar and a war against this country. Here are some links to the drone strikes in pakistan killing innocent people.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/09/24/us-drones-terrorising-civilians-in-pakistan_n_1909167.html?1348549594&utm_hp_ref=uk


http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g4i5FePdO4dpTXF7x7ZBSIWWOCIg?docId=CNG.3fa76d79026c3c8d8e16884eda5e8623.201

David Wood said...

I guess Samatar missed the part about this being an attack on the FRENCH embassy.

So are you saying that your Muslim brothers attacked the French embassy because of U.S. drone strikes?

Melvyn Cyrus said...

Anyway, it is clear that the attacks against the embassies were motivated by the movie, a stupid reason, and NOT by the drone strikes.
I don't say that the negative opinion that the protesters have of the US didn't play any role, but that is not at all what triggered the attacks.
To summarize:
no movie => no attacks by furious protesters

BTW, here the attack was most probably motivated by the French cartoons.

Foolster41 said...

Samatar said "You can hold me to my word that if I see a muslim calling for violence, misrepresenting Islam, christianity, or any religion for that matter that I will address them directly"
I'm still holding you to your word. I pointed out (and linked directly to) a number of instances of your fellow muslims here calling forv violence and misrepresentiong Christianity, but I didn't get a reply. (In fact, even more strange you said this AFTER I posted those links.) well?

(Repeating myself)
You still haven't addressed how calling for non-violence against non-muslims somehow dispells the violence and calls of subjegation as Osama, Kim or Kangaroo. Now that I've brought those recent posts by Osama to your attention (and where they are) will you go and tell Osama he is wrong and misunderstanding his religion? If not, why not? (Instead of actually answering you said you're tired of rep;eating myself, as if I'm pestering you with the same question!)

Samatar Mohamed said...

@David

"So are you saying that your Muslim brothers attacked the French embassy because of U.S. drone strikes?"

I wasn't referring to this specific incident. I'm referring to the attacks against the U.S. in particular.

Samatar Mohamed said...

@David

Consistency is important. Just like I condemn what the muslims are doing I am condemning Obama and the U.S. for their drone strikes killing innocent civilians and still continuing with these attacks. Are you against these drone strikes? I look forward to your response.

Samatar Mohamed said...

@foolster

Thats a very good question. I personally think if someone says they are against violence but then call for it (offensively) they are most likely for violence due to the contradiction in their message. However, before jumping to any conclusions I would ask them to clarify what they mean exactly, take into account if they are in the heat of the moment and did not mean all of what they posted etc...

Foolster41 said...

@Samatar: So in other words, no you will not directly confront violent calls for offensive violence that Osama (or others) has made, because you've decided to give him a strong benefit of the doubt that (despite the fact that he has made such statements a number of times, as I've already pointed out. so "heat of the moment" is a not very convincing excuse)?

You're being hypocritical and inconsistant (from someone who talks about "consistantcy" so much!)

You don't give the Kuffr commenters on a video by Pamela Geller (or for that matter Geller, who you automatically imply (Jumping to conclusionbs I'd even say) is to blame for such comments). Is it because the Koran teaches that Mulsims are superior to Kuffr, thus Muslims get the benefit of the doubt, but Kuffr do not?

Why is it so hard for you to rebuke a fellow muslim?!

Foolster41 said...

Samatar: Generally when people make crude jokes about people being raped and deserving it and mopckingly heiling hitler (implying one is a nazi for mearly having an opposing viewpoint, as Kim did), or make numerous eronious comments aboiut Chrisitanity, and call for a "bloodbath" and be unapollogetic or explain how it was misunderstood when called on it, one gets the impression that they are not civil, peaceful people. That you so strongly mantain that they be given a benefit of the doubt (I believe this is the second or third time and it makes just as little sense now), and that they are just being misunderstood or saying things they don't mean shows that perhaps you're not so devoted to being "peaceful" (that is, disobeying Mohammad's command to conquour and subjugate infidels) as you'd like us to believe.

Dana Houser said...

People are still blaming the movie trailer... really? Get a grip. Muslim extremist HATE America and the western way of life.

Samatar Mohamed said...

@Foolster

Seriously this again. I said " I personally think if someone says they are against violence but then call for it (offensively) they are MOST LIKELY for violence due to the contradiction in their message." The key words being "most likely". Ofcourse we cannot know for sure from a vague statement unless we here their position altogether. You've shown me posts by Osama, Kim where we both agree is wrong and I am against it. What do you want me to do. Go to a 6 month topic and post on it knowing they will not read it anyways. Anyways, since David Wood probably won't answer, what do you think about the drone strikes by Obama, are you against it, for it, neutral. And if you are against it can't you not see why Pakistan, Iraq and other muslim countries are so against the United States.

Murtadd said...

@ Samatar,
Let me school you about your religion. By virtue of being a muslim and accepting the quran as the word of allah, a muslim by DEFAULT is mandated to kill the unbelievers. The quran has an open mandated that muslims must kill all unbelievers. Surah 3:85 says that a religion other than islam will NEVER be accepted. Surah 2:193 says fight the unbelievers UNTIL they submit to islam.
As you can see, islam is violent towards others because of the quran warrants that behaviour. Even a peaceful kafir, according to the quran, must be killed until they submit to islam. Islam has an open MANDATE to kill unbelievers until they submit to islam. This mandate was drawn up in the 7th century by muhammed and is still valid for the ummah today. So even if we dont attack islam, the warrant is out there that all kafirs must be wiped from the earth.

In Christ, by Christ, for Christ

Foolster41 said...

Samatar: Yes, this again, because as I've said, what you've said doesn't really make me think you are being honest or consistent. Of course I have no problem with what you said about most likely being violent. it is the presumption that there is some sort of unweighed evidence (as if hearing over and over against from these posters mocking violence, making supremiscist and violent statements and distorting Christian doctrines isn't enough!) You keep saying we shouldn't jump to conclusions, and you have said they have said non-violent things, so one shouldn't preseume they are violent (which contradicts what you're saying now, so maybe you changed your mind). This, how you never seem to post in the same topics as Osama or other's violent posts, and your hypocracy about Pamela Geller and how you jumped quite quickly to conclusions by guilt-by-association is why I don't believe what you're telling me, and think you are being hypocritical.

And I wasn't talking about 6 mo. old posts. It was quite recent when I brought those first batch, and then these newer posts by Osama to your attention (I admit, Kim and the others haven't been so active). At least, they were new back then. You even posted a reply to someone else in that topic! You've been stone walling me so much by ignoring me and insisting I repeat giving evidence that it's become old by the time you reply (And then I'm making the unreasonable request you reply to something old!)

As for the drone strikes. If they are indeed against civilians then I am against it. personally I think the wars in the middle east has been pretty desasterous. We should focus on defending our own borders, and defending Isreal from her genocidal neighbors, and preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, rather than attacking every muslim nation in hopes of instilling democracy.

coptic crusader said...

@ Samatar
You mention the word innocent.. Do you believe that Christians who according to islam practice "shirk" are innocent? Especially Christians in America who you say are indiscriminately dropping bombs in Muslim lands? I am fairly new at this as this is my 1st post bUT as I understand it from what I have read from the Koran is that only believers in Allah n Mohamad r innocent. So basically saying that you condemn the killing of innocence by muslims to me is kind of like throwing out red herrings. Please correct Me if I am wrong..

TLAM Strike said...

A few dozen attacked the French Embassy but a thousand were also out protesting the regime's actions regarding the falling value of the Iranian Rial. This comes on the back of protests over the price of poultry. You can see videos of the protests here:
http://www.uskowioniran.com/2012/10/tehran-protests.html

We are seeing a nation that appears to be getting sick of an Islamist regime.

Samatar Mohamed said...

@Murtadd

Ok, you brought up two verses in the Quran. Surah 3:85, and surah 2:193. This might possibly be the worst rebuttal I have ever encountered. I'll go through the verses anyways.

Surah 2:193

"And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression."

Please tell me what is this wrong with this passage. It says that we must fight the oppressors, but if they stop, we must also stop. How could you even think this verse could be helping your case.

Surah 3:85

" If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah) never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost. (all spiritual good)."

Again, are you reading the verse. God is saying that in the hereafter, God will only accept Islam and if anyone chooses another religion i.e Christianity God will not accept it in the hereafter. It is the same in Christianity. Both Islam and Christianity are exclusive regarding salvation in the hereafter.

If these are your verses showing Islam is violent than you better quit now.

Samatar Mohamed said...

@melvyn

"I don't say that the negative opinion that the protesters have of the US didn't play any role, but that is not at all what triggered the attacks."

It definitely plays a role. You do not live in Pakistan, Iraq, etc... You might not be aware of the atrocities committed by the United States. Ofcourse, there are muslims who are just attacking based on these cartoons but lets not forget the impact the United States has had on the Middle East. For example, there where over 500,000 Iraqi's killed compared to the U.S. soldiers 5,000. That is not even comparable. I can bet the vast majority of these numbers where innocent people. I mean, how many of you have even heard of these drone strikes. Ofcourse the U.S. news will not make this headline news. But if Ahmedinijad says a sentence it will be all over the news.

Murtadd said...

@Samatar,

Its seems to me that we are using two different VERSIONS of the quran here. This is what I have;

Muhammad Al-Hilali & Muhsin Khan: [002:193] And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimoon (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)
Notice how the polytheist and wrong doers are exempted from the "no transgression" policy in the quran. Since unbelievers are considered polytheists and wrongdoers the fight must go on. "Allahuakbar" shouts will continue.
Anyway in your sanitised version you say that muslims will live in peace with kafirs as long as they are not the oppressers. Is this so called "no transgression" subject to peaceful kafirs paying the jizzyah tax?

Muhammad Al-Hilali & Muhsin Khan: [003:085] And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.
With reference to this surah I agree that according to basically any religion who ever does not accept the respective deity will be a loser in the hereafter.
My argument is that muslims themselves enforce this surah to reject any other religion and kill unbelievers.

Oh and NO, these are not the only surahs I have to proof the violent nature of islam, will keep you posted.

In Christ, For Christ, by Christ





Search 4 Truth said...

Samatar.

Calling for violence like your Allah and Mohamed?




Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."


Quran (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."


Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."


Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"


Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."



Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Samatar Mohamed said...

@Murtad

Ok. Where to star. I'll start with Surah 2:193. So let's see what the verse is saying. The verse is saying that we must fight those who are opressing muslims, until they cease, then we must cease as well. Except against the Zalimun we musnt cease. Now what does Zalimun mean, depending on the way it is used it can mean evil doer, wrong doer, opressors, etc... Now according to you, the verse is saying that we must still fight the unbelievers or evil doers. But how does that make any sense then. The ones opressing the muslims are evil doers, so who is the Quran referring to when it says cease. It is quite clear the verse is saying that we must stop fighting those who stop fighting us, but continue to fight those who opress us. Remember that zalimun can and does at times refer to opressors. Just read the two verses before and it is quite obvious what the verse is saying. Regarding surah 3:85, my purpose is to show what the Qurab is saying, not how some muslims are incorrectly using it to kill innocent people. Continue to bring more verses to prove your case. Ill be waiting.

Murtadd said...

@ Samatar,

Lets face it, surah 2:193 makes provision for muslims to kill polytheist and oppressers and never afford them peace. A polytheist is someone who worships a plurality of gods or swears not by allah. Abu dawud 21:3245. In islam an oppresser is anyone who disagrees with the doctrine of islam.

Anyway ive decided to give you a little more info to prove that islam is not peaceful at all.Notice how the commands never say "defend" but always to "fight".

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad explains that "Allah must have no rivals."

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"

Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Bukhari (52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)."

Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror'
Abu Dawud (14:2526) - The Prophet (peace_be_ upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)

Sahih Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally."

Muslim (1:30) - "The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah."
Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us"

Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 327: - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992: - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah."

In Christ, for Christ, by Christ

Search 4 Truth said...

At Samatar

you are willfully ignorant!


Sahih Muslim (19:4294) - "When you meet your enemies who are polytheists (which includes Christians), invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them ... If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them" Osama bin Laden echoes this order from his prophet: "Does Islam, or does it not, force people by the power of the sword to submit to its authority corporeally if not spiritually? Yes. There are only three choices in Islam … . Either submit, or live under the extortion and oppression of Islam, or die.”

Abu Ishaq said that he heard al-Bara' b 'Azib (Allah be pleased with him) say: The last complete sura revealed (in the Holy Qur'an) is Sura tauba (i e. al-Bara'at, ix.), and the last verse revealed is that pertaining to Kalala.
Sahih Muslim 11:3941

Fight those who believe not in Allah or the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Qur'an 9:29


Bukhari (53:392) - "While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."

Bukhari (2:24) - "Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

Search 4 Truth said...

Does everyone see that Samatar wont respond to facts? He clings to his confirmation bias and wishful thinking!

coptic crusader said...

it's funny how Samatar when I asked him if he thought Christians who according to Islam practice shirk were innocent, he conveniently passEd right over it. it's really amazing to see how musliMs have to reinterpret all of their passages to make themself feel better but then disagreeing with what Mohammed and his earliest followers agreed to what does passages meant. I mean we have the Koran, the hadith, the tafsir and the sira literature that contradict what Samatar is saying. I can't wait for the responses from murtadd n search for truth's posts. and that is just the tip of the iceberg there is so much more! I hope that the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ remove the blinders from your eyes that Islam have placed. I must say that I love all muslims but strongly despise islam.

Murtadd said...


Abu dawud 39: 4521 Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri: When the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) was distributing something, a man came towards him and bent down on him. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_ upon_him) struck him with a bough and his face was wounded. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_ upon_him) said to him: Come and take retaliation. He said: no, I have forgiven, Apostle of Allah!.

Abu dawud 38:4397 Narrated Fadalah ibn Ubayd: A thief was brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and his hand was cut off. Thereafter he commanded for it, and it was hung on his neck.

abu dawud 38:4349 Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib: A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) declared that no recompense was payable for her blood.

Abu dawud 38:4348 Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas: A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it. He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up. He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her. Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.

Abu dawud 38:4341 Narrated Mu'adh ibn Jabal: AbuMusa said: Mu'adh came to me when I was in the Yemen. A man who was Jew embraced Islam and then retreated from Islam. When Mu'adh came, he said: I will not come down from my mount until he is killed. He was then killed. One of them said: He was asked to repent before that.

Abu dawud 37:4284 Narrated Thawban: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_ him) said: The people will soon summon one another to attack you as people when eating invite others to share their dish. Someone asked: Will that be because of our small numbers at that time? He replied: No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be scum and rubbish like that carried down by a torrent, and Allah will take fear of you from the breasts of your enemy and last enervation into your hearts. Someone asked: What is wahn (enervation). Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_ him): He replied: Love of the world and dislike of death.