Friday, August 3, 2012

Qur'an Student Beaten Unconscious for Making Mistakes While Reciting

But again, who are we to judge other people's cultures?

PAKISTAN--A 15-year-old was taken to a hospital on Wednesday after he was allegedly beaten by a teacher at a seminary.

Police said Abu Bakar, a student at Jamia Rehmania, was a Hafiz-i-Quran and was now revising it at the madrassa. They said on Wednesday Vice Principal Qari Kaleemullah hit Abu Bakar on the legs with a wooden stick for making some mistakes while reciting some verses. They said the boy fainted from the beating.

Some students at the seminary informed Abu Bakar’s father, Manzoor, who took him to the trauma centre at the district headquarters hospital, from where the boy was referred to Nishtar Hospital in Multan owing to critical condition.

Manzoor told The Express Tribune that Abu Bakar was lying unconscious when he arrived at the school.

Dr Hamid Hayat, the deputy medical superintendent at the DHQ hospital said the boy had suffered several fractures in both legs.

He said it was likely that his backbone had been affected. (Continue reading.)

54 comments:

Osama Abdallah said...

The problem is not Islam. The problem is moderanization of the societies and the people. Lack of modern training on psychology, behavior and how to raise children, and lack of laws that enforce punishment on child abuse are what enables crimes and accidents to occur.

I spent the first 13 years of my life in the Middle East. I was born and raised there for 13 years. Man, they used to beat the living crap out of us! :). One of my worst teachers was our Arabic language teacher, and he used to give us pop quizes, and the score was for 100 points. He was a monster! The punishment was 100 minus YOUR GRADE was the number of beatings you get on your hand (HE HAD A WAX STICK!!!). I used to get 60%s. I was bad in school primarily due to dyslexia. I could not read at all. Words would get scrambled together in my vision. My website and readings of the Quran and the Bible helped me overcome this problem tremendously! In fact, you can clearly see my reading problems in my debates. One time I came home with blue hands (I swear I am not exagerating), and my mother was outraged. LOL, my father didn't really care because I was supposed to take it like a man.

Believe it or not, we have Christian teachers in our public schools over there. They're not all just Muslims. In fact, in the Muslim countries where they also have Jewish communities, they also have it bad like the rest of us. LOL.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Baron Eddie said...

There got to be some other explanation for this incident! ...

The Vice Principal's name is "Qari Kaleemullah" which means "The one who read the words of Allah" ...

That's it ...

He is following the merciful Allah's teaching!

They should examine the boy for sexual molestation also ...

I am sure the educational system in the West are working to integrate this wonderful teaching method! to their system ...

multiculturalism is Great

Witness said...

Ironically I was reading the Qu'ran this evening and I was on Surah 2:256 where it says "Let there be no compulsion in religion" when I read David's blog post. In the footnote, Yusuf Ali says "religion depends upon faith and will, and these would be meaningless if induced by force."

How ironic would it be if the student got beaten for repeating that passage incorrectly?

On another note, I wonder what Yussuf Ali thought of the Hadith that demanded Muslims to kill apostates?

Pakistan is screwed up...

Foolster41 said...

@Osama: Why should we seriously take you seriously any more? You are completely dishonest in your smearing of Chrisitans (cause rape, murder, wars, druunk driving, which are all forbidden in the bible) and Christian doctrine (grossly misrepresenting 1 Cor 6:6 & 12:9), you constantly use name calling and personal smears and STILL refuse after months and many confrontations to correct this. You say you are not dishonest, but make mistakes, but this is not true. If they were mistakes you would apologize. You then accuse others of what you do (question integrety, smear generalizations about republicans) . You are a FRAUD and a hypocrite. Keep running away and show what a coward you are.

(See: http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6590312557191237519&postID=5987822351450222622)

RyanS said...

So Osama, so you admit that 1400 years of Islam in the Middle East has failed to "Civilize" the population.
Beatings,Suicide bombers, Honor Killings, bigotry aginst non Muslims ect are just because of a lack of "modernanization"??

I guess both Muhammad's example and the Quran teachings are a FAILURE! LOL

Kufar Forever said...

@ Osama, 4 wives, multiple children and yet the mullas dont have experience and patience to teach these kids with love and understanding. God knows what defects this poor kid was born with. And as usual, you justify it, as usual.

PETE said...

@ Osama Abdallah

Tell me, Why should I believe that Muhammad is a Prophet?

CallingMuslims said...

This happens ALL THE TIME, and it is the Sunnah here is the proof:

Hadith - Dawud, Narrated As-Saburah

[Also recorded by Ahmand and al-Hakim. Al-Syuti has give in a notation signifying that it is authentic. Al-Albani has graded it hasan. Al-Albani, Sahih al-Jami, vol. 2, p. 1021.]

The Prophet said: Order your children to pray at the age of seven. And beat them [lightly] if they do not do so by the age of ten. And separate them in their bedding.

Its also the way of the Sahaba

Hadith - Bukhari (#883) and Abu Dawud

Nafi' said, "Ibn 'Umar used to beat his children for mistakes in diction."

Idril Ar-Feiniel said...

Personally, I don't understand why that is funny....This comment makes no sense to me. It's like sugar coating a moth ball and telling the person who is about to eat it that it is good for them no matter how bad it is going down.

The more I read, the more I am convinced that, though Islam has been a way of life for thousands of years, it is still nothing more than a tool used to keep it's people in line. You can make excuses and sugar coat it all you want. It will continue to be taught the same way for generations to come.

BoB said...

Satan has achieved much through his Unholy koran. Subjugation of an entire civilization, that is taught to hate Chrisitians and Jews and brutaly attack them wherever they may be.

The Muslims are trully living in a similar situation to what the west went through during the dark ages, when the RCC and Holy roman Empire Ruled and subjugated all of europe. Outlawed freedom of thought and education, kept the masses so dumbed down they couldn't read the Word of God(the Old and New tesatments) and had to put their trust whole heartedly in the Prelates and NOT GOD.

Don't we see a similarity with Islam?

Nothin'ButTheTruth said...

Osama has just admitted that islamic countries are still leaving in the 7th century.
Why is that?
Because they follow the true teaching of Muhammad, not like westernized Muslims.
Thank you Osama.

BoB said...

Who's going to win Osama?
Your god Satan or Jesus.

[img]http://dellkimberly.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/jesus-arm-wrestling-with-satan-demon.jpg[/img]

Jesus has already won my friend, why you keep picking the loosing horse, to coin a phrase is beyond me.

SGM said...

@ Osama,

The more you talk the more we come to know how pathetic you are. You jump from one post to another making accusation, false statements and sometimes outright lies. When we confront you and ask questions, you simply leave that post and jump to another one. Some of your behavior can now be explained that you have dyslexia. I wonder what other problems you also have.

You did not answer which Christians Allah is praising because they love him? You did not answer that the true and living God of the Bible is holy and can not command anything contrary to His nature which is holy. E.g., If he says that “thou shall not commit adultery”, in no situation or circumstance He will allow it. Whereas your Allah allows adultery in the Quran. And many other questions like this.

Now you are ranting and raving about how your teachers used to beat the crap out of you. I wonder if it is because of these beatings you have lost all logic and common sense. The quranic teachings will keep you trapped in the 7th century Arabian culture. You need to leave this dark religion in order to see the light. I am not insulting you when I say dark religion. By it what I mean is that its teachings are dark like, women testimony is considered half of man, adultery is allowed in quran, lying is allowed in Islam etc. etc. etc…..

May the Lord our God and Savior Jesus Christ have mercy on you and bring you out of darkness to His light.

SAHANIS said...

If problem in not well defined no answer will be found. Problem is clear our enemy Arabs have a new way to destroy pakistan
Convert all poor and uneducated and criminals to islam and use them to fight locals and non converts and destroy the nation.
Converts are just destroying own nation of birth and their non convert brothers.
Leaders are clue less and fools and not aware how to curb the right of the converts who are anti nations.
A great crime in each nations are the converts who are antinational.
Many leaders in pakistan are converts and all need to get rid of them as soon as possible by voting them out or punishing them..

Osama Abdallah said...

"BoB said...
Who's going to win Osama?
Your god Satan or Jesus.

[img]http://dellkimberly.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/jesus-arm-wrestling-with-satan-demon.jpg[/img]

Jesus has already won my friend, why you keep picking the loosing horse, to coin a phrase is beyond me."

RESPONSE:

Jesus Christ is no more than a creation of GOD Almighty. And if satan was able to play with his head for 40 days and 40 nights, 2000 years ago in a world that is nothing to our world today, then it probably would take the false christ of your bible 40 years and 40 more decades to overcome satan's temptation.


Remember that your bible says that Jesus "suffered" from satan's tempation so bad that GOD Almighty had to send down the "Angels to attend him", because he was spiritually weak. And your NT further says that everyone, including Christ, who gets tempted has "evil desires" in him. So clearly, Christ's temptation wasn't a walk in the park. It was serious.

If lice and bad body odors tempted him for 40 days and 40 nights, then I wonder what the real heavenily models and temptations of today would do to his head.

Just a thought.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Osama Abdallah said...

"Who's going to win Osama?
Your god Satan or Jesus."

RESPONSE:

Christ already commanded you to not worship him:

"But in vain they do worship me,
teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Matthew 15:9)"

Matthew 24:36 Jesus said "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

Mark 10:18 Jesus said “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”?

You don't represent Christ, nor GOD Almighty, nor anything. You're nothing but a polytheist trinitarian pagan, and nothing more.

Islam is the Divine Truth of GOD Almighty, and you should take that to heart, my friend.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Osama Abdallah said...

And by the way, since you claim that Christ was SINLESS and PERFECT, then explain to me the difference between temptation and coveting. Your NT says that if you're tempted, you have "evil desires" in you:

James 1
13When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;
14but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire (so Jesus had evil desires when he was tempted!!), he is dragged away and enticed.
15Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full -grown, gives birth to death.

******************************
OPEN CHALLENGE TO ALL CHRISTIANS:
*********************************

Again, what is the difference between coveting and temptation?

If Jesus coveted, then Jesus broke one of the pillars of the Jewish Law's Morality, and hence, he's not perfect nor sinless, ************especially when he himself said that if your eye sins then pluck it out, and if your hand sins, then cut it, and if your butt farts then seal it.

IF HE CAN'T EVEN MEET HIS OWN STANDARDS, THEN WHAT EXACTLY IS HIS PERFECTION?


Visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/satan_temptation_to_jesus.htm

Another thought.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Osama Abdallah said...

Romans 7:7
[ The Law and Sin ] What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “YOU SHALL NOT COVET.”

So, what is the difference between coveting and temptation? Jesus and the NT said that you can be tempted, but you can't covet?! How does that make any sense?

Did not Jesus covet the kingdoms of the world, and to turn them to satan's rule (IMAGINE OPEN PORNOGRAPHY, HOMOSEXUALITY, RAPES, STRONG EATING THE WEAK, ALCOHOLISM, GANGS, THUGS, ROBERIES all in the kingdom of Christ)?

Did not Christ want to do it? That is both temptation and coveting.


Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

aaron said...

@OSAMA
FOR (Matthew 15:9)

You did another 1 corintheans 5:5 again. the list grows in the passing months. that reference was criticizing the Jews on making up extra rules to the commandments. such as how far you can travel from home. It wasn;t saying jesus not to worship him .

so please next time if you want to read or quoute something read the entire chapter first because you are embarrassing yourself

Cristo Te Ama said...

@Osama

I sometimes think that this "Osamam Abdallah" is not a real muslim apologist, but some random muslim guy wasting time on the internet, or maybe a Christian saying so obiously wrong stuffs so we can't humilliate such low arguments, LET'S see:

Christ already commanded you to not worship him:

"But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Matthew 15:9)"

-Osama please we all ask you again, stop butching the bible, you can't take verses out of context, you have never seen David, Sams, Anthony,etc doing that, why can't you be honest? If you read the whole context of MAtthew 15, you should've seen it's not about what you tried to say :

Matthew 19:4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:

- Since it seems to be you are not doing your job, i must tell you that he is quoting Isaiah 29:13, and i think you should notice that Jesus is taking the place of YHWH of isaiah 29:13, nowhere he says don't honor me, otherwise it would be like saying YHWH in Isaiah said don't honor(worship) me, instead he is saying that they are not ACTUALLY worshipping him, only with their mouth.

Then you said: Matthew 24:36 Jesus said "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
- I sugest you to read again the doctrine of the Trnity(even if we made it up) but plz not the mistaken one from the Quran, but the real one from the beggining of Christianity, what Jesus said there doesn't support you statement "Christ already commanded you to not worship him".


Then you said: Mark 10:18 Jesus said “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”?

- You could check this:

http://www.answering-islam.org/BibleCom/mk10-18.html

Then you said: "You don't represent Christ, nor GOD Almighty, nor anything. You're nothing but a polytheist trinitarian pagan, and nothing more."
- Well we have a goood amount of Documents 8Biblical, and Extra Biblical) proving that our Christ is the real one, and not only the delusion of "one" man (or many others like said, Uthman,etc) who copied and pasted stuffs that he couldn't even understand. About Pagan Trnitarian, you prphet didn't consider us Pagan, even when he misses the trinity saying its "Father, Jesus, Mary" as different Gods (which we Christians would consider polytheism), so are you wiser than Allah, that you dare to call us Pagan, polytheists,etc? why is it your God allows you to marry Christians women if they are pagans and polytheists? you and your God are on different sides it seems.

Cristo Te Ama said...

@Osama

You said:
Remember that your bible says that Jesus "suffered" from satan's tempation so bad that GOD Almighty had to send down the "Angels to attend him", because he was spiritually weak. And your NT further says that everyone, including Christ, who gets tempted has "evil desires" in him. So clearly, Christ's temptation wasn't a walk in the park. It was serious.

- I know where did you get those remarked words from the Bible, but would you qoute the verses for us, so maybe even you when read them again in context will realise how wrong your argument is, please? Because what i know if that he made the fasting to strenght his spirit (and not just like a religious duty to gain heaven of one religion we all know), about the angels sent by God, as far as the bible says it was to give him strenght for what was about to happen, he receiving all the sins of the world and dying on the Cross, i see nothing wrong on that. And about "who gets tempted has "evil desires" in him", i would love that you quote that for us with the verses before and after please, so we can refute it properly, unless it is not so "clear" as you said.

Then you said: If lice and bad body odors tempted him for 40 days and 40 nights, then I wonder what the real heavenily models and temptations of today would do to his head.
- Did you even read Matthew 4:1-11, or Luke 4:1-13 or Mark 1:12-13, because according to this, the temptation came from Satan, knowing he was hungry, or trying to appeal to the desire of power, which your prophet would've accepted, i.e accepting "the holy war" where he was the maximun leader, respected by everyone, being the role model, Muhammad fall in the temptation of lust (i.e little kids, Son's wife, even more wives, sex with slaves), power over people and lands, so we don't even have to wonder what would've Muhammad do if he was Jesus back there in the dessert. it would've been something like: "Ok I'll get some women with that bread, i'll get all the Jewish and Pagans empires and if it's not too much, i'll get some of those houris of Islamic heaven to have some fun down here", ofc all that if he wasn't spiritually powerless as he was.

Cristo Te Ama said...

@Osama

Sorry in my last post i asked you to quote where does the Bible say we are tempted by our Evil desires, thanks for posting it, let's check what it says:

James 1
13When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;
14but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire (so Jesus had evil desires when he was tempted!!), he is dragged away and enticed.
15Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full -grown, gives birth to death.

-KEY PART: "when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed."
So it's refering when you fall in the temptation, i.e Jesus accepting to become the ruler of all Empires by Satan, it would've been because he "is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed", and he couldn't have said "GOD TEMPTED ME AND THAT'S WHY I SINNED" because it would've been actually becaue his own lustand that made him desobey god(sin) but as Matthew 4:1-11 leaves clear, he didn't but he refuted Satan and Satan had to go away, but if we keep reading the same chapter of James 1, we read this:

16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

-So this proves that what he is talking about is about falling in the temptation which Jesus didn't do (Yet Muhammad did in several times), but he did the opposite, he refuted Satan, and gave the "good gift and every perfect gift is from above".

Then you said:
"Again, what is the difference between coveting and temptation?"

You can TEMPTATE ME telling me "hey let's go and get some kaffir slaves to rape them" but my spirit will not accept that, i won't even think about doing such things. And it's different from COVET of Romans 7:7, where Paul is actually quoting Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not COVET thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's."

- I think everyone can see the difefrence between temptation and covet, with the same verses you have quoted, but let's keep the example, it would be like me watching a Muslim raping a poor kaffir slave, and i would be thinking in my mind "Oh i would love to be the one doing that", yet it is not 100% equal because exodus and romans 7:7, is refering to something more like me wanting to have my brother's wife, his house, etc. But at any case i think it's clear the difference, and Jesus didn't bite, instead he said Mathhew 4:4, 4:7 and 4:10, not falling in the temptation, i can't sin because you invite me to go to fornicate with some women, otherwise i wouldn't even go outside my home to avoid that, i sin because i accept or because i desire it inside of my heart. Keeping your question about the difference with COVET, using Romans 7:7, it would be like Jesus watching Satan being the ruler of all the Empires and thinking to himself, "I WANT THAT" "I WANNA BE THE RULER OF THE WORLD", and in that case it would be COVET, yet that's not the case, and Jesus didn't fall to the temptation either. I hope this will be enough for your "open challange", also i hope some more prepared brothers or sisters can make it more clear because my English is bad.

God Bless You All

Cristo Te Ama said...

@Osama

Just a question: Are you assuming that Satan offered Jesus all that because Jesus was coveting that (i.e) power over all the world, or be Popular? because what the Bible actually teaches is that it was Satan who thought Jesus wanted that and would fall for that, but he didn't because he was in total obidience to the Father, and spiritually powerful, with his eyes on his mission, but in many other cases because of our "lust and evil desires" of power and popularity, etc, we would feel temptated to accept such things, yet Jesus definitly show us that he is in another level which we must strive for. And he didn't feel temptated nor he fall for that of course.

BoB said...

Osama, You are a deciever. It's as plain as day and night for all the world to see. Please stop taking the verses and chapeters out of context to try and read them and comprehend them because you quite trully look like a laughing stock and sound as silly as someone with a primary school level of reading skills and comprehension.

Children in Sunday school can comprehend the meaning of the scriptures when read in context, why can't you?



1James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

2My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;

3Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

4But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

5If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

6But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

7For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

8A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

9Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted:

10But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away.

11For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways.

12Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

13Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

16Do not err, my beloved brethren.

17Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

18Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

19Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:

20For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

21Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

22But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

23For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

24For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

25But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

26If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

27Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

BoB said...

13Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

God cannot be tempted by evil so don't blame God for the evil that man commits or do so in his name, Every Man can be tempted it's in our nature in other words. No man except for our lord and saviour was ever sinless. And sin which all mankind is guilty of brings death. pretty plain and simple OSAMA

Search 4 Truth said...

Osama

I cant believe you still have the audacity to come and spew your nonsense. In light of how easily and soundly you and Islma were exposed in our last discussion.

Osama All of these things occur in Islamic nations as well, and far worse. We see fascism, bigotry, extortion, inequality, persecution, child molestation.

The only difference is, in the West all of these things are against the law and considered immioral. But nott in Islam.

Islam ordains rape, adultery, child molestation, unlimited sex slaves, persecution, fascism, bigotry, extortion, lying, stealing, apartheid, torture, persecution etc..

And if you would like to get educated and exposed again. Just choose a topic. Take you best shot. Im sure it will be just as easy as before!

Baron Eddie said...

I think our points as Christians/Jews/Atheists or any others about Islam is not because we just want to pick on Islam and that is it! ...

Islam taught/showed/lived a lot of hatred and violence toward others and themselves.

I ask any Muslim who is trying to defend Islam like brother Osama or any Muslim brother/sister

You say Islam is peace ...

OK, I am not from Missouri(show me state) but I say show me ...

Which Islamic country trying to prove that they are peaceful and trying and allowing Christians and others to come and live among them ...

Let start with Saudi Arabia! Home of the peaceful Mohammad (prophet of Islam) as they claim!

for sure we will hear about it if that happens.

If you do the same test we will see that Christians/Jews and others are continually decreasing in those countries! and in others they don't exist (publicly) anymore ...

I hope that anyone who speaks to a Muslim ask these questions ...

Do not debate me anymore but show me and that will be sufficient for me ...
----------------------------------------------
"I will bless the Lord at all times;
His praise shall continually be in my mouth."

Foolster41 said...

@Osama: Thank you for not only ignoring me when I point out your history of butchering the bible, but then proving my point by contenting to butcher the bible. I expect capt. Renault to show up to tell Osama to stop butchering the bible soon.

Rahel Jigi said...

Thanks for the lecture Osama, according to the scripture you are nothing but the Satan's Slave(Who is father of lies). Now according to Jesus own word in the revelations, let the righteous continues his righteousness, let the wicked continue his wickedness. But still we call you to the good news, of salvation for you have time still now.

goethechosemercy said...

Quote:
The problem is not Islam.
end

The crimes were committed in the context of Quranic teaching.
They are linked to Islam.

Quote:
The problem is moderanization of the societies and the people.
end

Modernity causes brutality?

Quote:
Lack of modern training on psychology, behavior and how to raise children, and lack of laws that enforce punishment on child abuse are what enables crimes and accidents to occur.
end

Wait. Modernity doesn't cause brutality?

Which is it?
This was no accident.
This was not the will of God.
This was a matter of mentalities. In the Muslim world, you acquire what you want by force.
The force of violence, of terror, of war, of conquest, and of razzia.
In the modern West, rage and the rule of force are resisted and despised.
The enraged person has lost control and is unworthy of respect.

SGM said...

@ Osama Abdallah,

It would be foolish to answer all of your nonsense which you have spewed regarding the word of God and about His Son Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior because it would require logic and common sense to understand, which you don’t have at this point. Only if you knew how to apply context to every verse you have quoted, you would find the answer. Every single stupidity you have mentioned has been answered numerous times by numerous folks, especially by Sam, David, James White etc. Like every moslem, you are like a parrot which keeps repeating nonsense, like Ahmed Deedat, even when the answer is right there in the context.

I wish you had a teacher who should have beaten the crap out of you since you can’t understand to apply context when reading a text instead of butchering a verse and coming up with horrendous conclusions as you do. IF QURAN MAKES SENSE TO YOU, THEN IT IS NOT SURPRISING THAT THE MOST STUPID CONCLUSIONS AFTER BUTCHERING THE BIBLICAL VERSES ALSO MAKE SENSE TO YOU.

May God of the Bible have mercy on your soul. My prayer is that God may break the chains of satan with which you are bound and bring you to the light of the Savior of the world, Jesus Christ.

All honor and glory and praise be to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of the Holy God.

Osama Abdallah said...

Let's get some facts and thoughts straight here:

1-
It is a fact that satan tempted Jesus.

2- It is a fact that satan dragged and led Jesus through this temptation for 40 days and 40 nights. It got so ridiculous that satan even had Jesus STAND on top of the temple (it was as big as a fortress, see the Jewish wailing wall of today and how big it is), and hang from it pushing him and tempting him to jump and commit suicide.

3- It is a fact that the Bible prohibits coveting.

4- It is a fact that satan tempted Jesus to rule the world into a satanic kindgom. He again led him and showed him all of the kingdoms of the world and offered them to him, and Jesus was tempted for 40 days and 40 nights to actually go for it.

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Let me help you to differentiate between temptation and coveting:
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In the context of all of the points that I mentioned above, there are two types of temptations:

1- Being tempted to do something, or to take action on something (ex: me tempting you to go to the movies with me).

2- BEING TEMPTED TO A POINT OF COVETING. EX: ME TEMPTING YOU TO RAPE A WOMAN! You contemplating it for 40 days and 40 nights have already made you covet her. You have already passed the point of coveting.

Jesus coveted the kinddoms of the world! Jesus coveted being an evil leader of this world! Jesus fell spiritually weak, from the temptation, that Angels had to come down to "attend him", and he "suffered" from satan's temptation.

Now here is FACT#5 for you:

5- The Bible claims that it didn't record all of the elaborations and details on the events. See end of the Gospel of John and other books. This means that there is far more to the story of Jesus' temptation than what is recorded. Jesus probably fell also weak sexually. Him being a virgin for 33 years probably weighed very heavily on him. He probably:

1- Masturbated.

2- Wished if he was a partner or a husband of a a woman. Outside your bible we have an account of him kissing Mary Magdalene on the mouht. SEE THE GOSPEL OF PHILIPS FOR THIS, OUTSIDE THE BIBLE.


Now, am I suggesting that Christ was evil. Absolutely not! But I am bringing light to this story that Christians like to avoid.

FACT#6:

6- The Bible says that GOD Almighty can not be tempted by satan or anyone! Yet, Jesus got tempted and he coveted, and he was between GOD AND SATAN FOR 40 DAYS AND 40 NIGHTS.

Jesus could not be the Creator of the Universe. He was too mortal and too human and too weak to be one. He was dependent upon GOD Almighty, and not independent. IN fact, if Jesus JUMPED FROM THE TEMPLE as satan was tempting him, he would not have been able to fight gravity to save himself from a bone-crushing and painful death.

That's how weak Christ was. So to all of the polytheist trinitarian pagans out there, I sincerely invite you to dump this pagan and false belief of yours and to embrace Islam.

Yours,
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

blessed z said...

When Osama said "Islam is the Divine Truth of GOD Almighty, and you should take that to heart, my friend." it's so disgusting considering the teachings comes out of quran, hadith and sunna many are about fighting and killing other religion, polygamy, muhammad's big sex desire, permission to do marriage under contract, raping captive women, and heaven full of virgins to satisfy men. How can you say this is divine religion??? Wake up Osama. Thanks to Internet and thanks to our Christian apologists who bravely make known to the world islam crazy teaching. God bless them.

I pity those muslims in Indonesia. They thought they are very holly. They never read the entire quran hadith and sunna. Eventhough they read they don't understand the meaning. All in arab language. Those verses taught to muslims are selected. If they understand the meaning of quran teaching, many will run away from islam. Islam is the only religion teaching to hate other believer, and Islam have no problem to lie. Osama is an idiot.

Osama Abdallah said...

One more point on JESUS BEING LED:

James 1
13When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;
14but each one is tempted when, by ****his own evil desire (so Jesus had evil desires when he was tempted!!), *****he is dragged away and enticed.
15Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full -grown, gives birth to death.

NOTICE:

1- His own evil desires for being tempted.

2- BEING LED/DRAGGED!

The NT says Jesus was LED BY SATAN for 40 days and 40 nights.
Again, satan led Jesus to go on top of the temple and tempted him to commit suicide, satan led Jesus into the wilderness, etc....

So Jesus was both tempted due to his "evil desires" and was LED/DRAGGED BY SATAN BECAUSE OF IT.

Jesus Christ is clearly not the Creator of the Universe. Trinity is blasphemy and its origins (3-head god) comes from pagan roots.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Osama Abdallah said...

Search 4 Truth,

I am currently putting together an article about you.
You're nothing but a phony Islamophobe and a lying criminal who insists on pushing his lies and hateful agendas. After I expose you to be nothing but a desperate clown with clear-cut facts, I'll house you in the "dumpster section" on my website where other phonies like you are currently serving time.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

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Chapter 4

1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungered.

3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

12 Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee;

13 And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim:

14 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,

15 The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;

16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.

17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

18 And Jesus, walking by the Sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers.

19 And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.

20 And they straightway left their nets, and followed him.

21 And going on from thence, he saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending their nets; and he called them.

22 And they immediately left the ship and their father, and followed him.

23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.

25 And there followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan.

BoB said...

Again Osama your caught out by your deceitful ways and tongue, The Lord our God Jesus Christ was never tempted, but refuted each attempt of the wicked vile serpant and put him in his place beneath well and trully under the foot of the Lord.

The serpent beneath the feet of our Lord Jesus Christ is your god Satan, lucifer or a liar(allah) what ever you choose to call him.

Your are one of the lost sheep, it's not too late to repent and pray to jesus for forgiveness for your wickedness.

Keep spewing ur lies and taking verses and chapters out of context if you must, but know this that my brothers and sisters in Christ will refute every lie that comes forth from your mouth and wicked heart.

BoB said...

And Osama you are a sick perverted and deprived specimen of a human being, is sex really all you ever think about?

Baseless accusations myths created by Mslims about Jesus to make you feel a little bit better about the horible demon man mohammered.

Mohammered was in a league all of his own, a very evil and backward one at that. peodophila, sodomy raping and pillaging, necrophilia in a cave with a deceased mother of one of his followers etc etc....

He is in a place atm where he is enjoying the eternal torment of your God Satan with the vile aroma of sulpher

reconnaissance said...

osama= jackass

Jesus = God.

Therefore he had no evil desires.

Herakleios said...

Sorry Osama, a lot of trouble kept me from finishing the post I promised you. By the end of the weekend you will get it. And I am still waiting for you to answer to the question:
Is the earth growing due to gaining mass, or had it always the same mass and is just expanding from some other reason? It is very impolite of you to just ignore posts that might be uncomfortable for you (posts that would reveal how you lie etc.).

But one thing is remarkable - there must be realy a sex issue in your mind. Jesus Masturbated? Well, maybe you should do that too, it could help you get a clear mind again!
You really seem to have a problem understanding the biblical texts ... I dont want to spend my very little time now writing about your last postings here - some other people here will surely give you an adequate answer!

Cristo Te Ama said...

@Osama

You either don't want to read the posts here, which wouldn't be surprise for anyone since we all saw you commenting in Anthony's post about Sami Zaatari errors about the Bible allowing rape, using the same verses Anthony had refuted. Or maybe you just don't want to read:

- Being tempted is when you tell me i.e to go out to fornicate with some women and i start actually to think “what if i do it? Noone will see me, it’s not that wrong, etc”, and that happens because of my evil desires, and i can give birth to sin and actually go out to fornicate because of this. But in Jesus case in the dessert this is not what actually happened, he didn’t start thinking “ what if i accept being the ruler of all empires by Satan?, i just have toworship him” but he refuted Satan instantly, why? Because he didn’t have those evil desires in him.

- So i can see 2 ways of temptation you tempting me (or let's say trying to temptate me) to do something and i actually feel tempted to do such because my evil desires, the first is not a sin for me, but yours because you are the one trying to convince me to do such and you are the one desiring to do such acts, the second case is what James is refering too, i can't say i feel tempted to fornicate with a woman because of God, but because of my lust, and evil desires, AND THIS IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED WITH JESUS AT THE DESSERT, satan thought Jesus would want this stuffs so he "tempted him", but Jesus didn't even think about accepting (felt temptated as the second case), BECAUSE HE HAD NO EVIL DESIRES IN HIM NOR LUST as i.e Muhammad. And again about Romans 7:7 as i said he is quoting Exodus 20:17, and it's another different thing, it's refering i.e Me wanting to have your wife, not a women like yours but your real wife,so if we try to pull this on the context you are trying to put it, it would be something like Jesus desiring to be the Ruler of the World like Satan, or being Popular like him, so when Satan comes and tell him "hey Jesus why don't you worship me and i'll give you all that what you COVET(being like me)" he would've said because his evil desires "OK SATAN, I DO ACCEPT", but Again Osama please read the what the BIBLE actually teaches, JESUS said:

Matthew 4:7 "But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."

Matthew 4:7 "Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God."

Matthew 4:10 "Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."

And Satan had to go away Matthew 4:11, so nowhere you see here Jesus being taken by his evil desires and feel tempted to actually accept Satan propousal, nor he gave birth to sin accepting it, and nowhere you find Jesus coveting to be like Satan, or wanting what Satan has so he may actually accept what he "Covets"(according to you, not the Bible) so he might accept because his lust of power,etc.

Cristo Te Ama said...

BTW Osama, for being someone trying to use the Bible to proof Jesus had evil desires, saying he is not the creator of the world when the Bible teaches he is (i.e John chapter 1), is kinda cynical, and saying this "Jesus Christ is clearly not the Creator of the Universe. Trinity is blasphemy and its origins (3-head god) comes from pagan roots." When you are the one doing ramadan as pagans did, worshipping the moon God Allah, doing pilgrimage as the Pagans did in Mecca, and praying to a black stone as the Pagans did before Islam and Muhammad, is cynical too. And then again even if it has Pagan roots, your God couldn't even know how it was conformated instead he says Father-Son-Virgin Mary, at least an all knowing God could've said it as the Pagans made it up (according to you of course).

Cristo Te Ama said...

@Osama
I would also you to notice this verse in the same chapter

Matthew 4:7 "Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not TEMPT the Lord thy God."

So according to you Jesus is saying that the Lord has evil desires, because "you shalt not TEMPT the Lord", but wait, God is saint and pure, that's why we need Jesus (according to the Bible), because the balance you believe where your sins just go under the carpet, doesn't work with the God we follow since he is saint and just. So check the context, it is refering to me "tempting God" telling him, i.e "if you are God, make this stone float" so let's put it in a lenguague you might understand, it is refering to me "trying to tempt" God to do something he doesn't want to, so this kind of Temptation is not about what you have been so hardly to pull over the Bible, but as the first case of the examples i gave you, like when someone comes to tempt(trying) me to go and fornicate, i am not sinning for that, but temptation as James is refering to is when i start actually feeling the need, the desire, the will, to do it. So i hope you don't waste more time using this "open challange".
God Bless you All.

Deleting said...

I'm not going to even bother posting quotes from Osama Abdumbah's last few posts....they're just too numerous and stupid.
Could a good lesson in hermanrutics even help Osama at this point?
No??? I didn't think so.
David I know what your next jesus Or Muhammad show topic needs to be. ' crap Osama says'
Just kidding. Have one on correct bible reading.

Fifth Monarchy Man said...

Hey Osama,

You said,

Again, what is the difference between coveting and temptation?


I say,

You seem to be confused about the subject of the temptation in the wilderness. Perhaps this is due to the fact that English is not your first language.

The story is about what Satan was trying to do to thwart God‘s plan. Not the internal mental state of Jesus

When we say Jesus was tempted we don’t mean that he was conflicted or that he wanted to sin we mean that the devil tried to make him sin (tempted him) and failed.

When we Christians pray that God will not lead us into temptation what we are really saying is something like

“please don’t test us.” not “please don’t make us sin”

because of his holiness Yahweh often tests us but never makes us sin (James 1).

By the same token you can put God to the test but you can’t make him sin.

In once sense I can externally “tempt” you by going on and on about a mouthwatering slab of barbeque ribs but If you don’t like the taste of ribs you will not be internally “tempted”

The first sense of the word tempt is about me the second is about you. This is prety elementary grammar,

I hope that helps

Peace

Foolster41 said...

@Osama: That is really pathetic considering how many times you've lied about the bible, called names, and smeared people. You can't even live up to the standards you preach in others. YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE!

Also, I notice once again, you are trying to criminalize free speach of critisizing Islam. Nothing Search 4 truth has said is false.

Once again you show you're no "moderation" but an Islamic Supremiscist who seeks after the domination of Islam and the subjugation of non-believers (kuffir)! Why dos this illegal casino consequent in Casablanca!?!

And your speculation about what Jesus you claim Jesus probibly did (but have no proof of) and call a "fact" is just sick and shows how completely diranged and desperate you are. You know Mohammad was a terrible person who had sex with a minor, commanded rape of captives and commanded and assited in forceful theft and slaughter. So all you can do is make up stories about Jesus to bring him down to Mohammad's level! Digusting!

Naren said...

Dear Brothers,

We are having a public refutation of Zakir Naik in Mumbai, India on Aug 25, 2012. Please do come for the programme if possible. Details are available on: http://www.youtube.com/user/SakshiApologetics

Please fwd the link to like minded people you know, post on your facebook account, etc... Thank you and GOD BLESS.

In Christ


Naren

aaron said...

@OSama

Osama learn to read the a beginning of a chapter till the end. alot of your errors can be avoided if actually did like 1corintheans 5:5, KIngs.

all your previous ones etc

aaron said...

@David
can you look up my email and provide me with some sources?

Traeh said...

David Wood, please be so kind as to fisk the hell out of this criminally deceptive video:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/08/the-ground-zero-mosque-controversy-according-to-the-mainstream-media----featuring-a-fake-pamela-gell.html

Fifth Monarchy Man said...

Hey Osama,

Maybe it will be helpful to give another example of a verb that has more than one sense depending on the context


The word “reads” does not mean the same thing in the following sentences.

1) Matthew 4:8 reads “ the devil taketh him up into the holy city”

And

2) Osama reads Matthew 4:8 to say that the devil enticed Jesus.


The first sentence is about what the passage does (externally) and the second is about your (internal) mental state. So the same word “reads” means very different things depending on the context.

There are tons of similar examples in English.

Hopes this helps

Peace

Search 4 Truth said...

@ Osama

Thanks. I am sure it will just as easily be destroyed as all of your other lies, logical fallacies, and inconsistencies. Your the best thing for Christianity and freedom. Your ignorance and stupidity knows NO bounds. Please let me know when it is done. It should take me all of five minutes to refute.

Murtadd said...

@ Osama,
Can you please furnish us with ONE verse from the quran that allah has love for the kafirs. Ive seen so many verses where allah continuously curses the infidel..
Ive ask this before to so many muslims but to no avail.

In Christ, For Christ, By Christ

Murtadd said...

@ Osama the hypocrite,

In David's article " Muslim commentater sinks to new low" on this website you questioned him about your stance and believe in Jesus..the following was your exact quote verbatim.

Osama Abdallah said...

So what exactly is your point here, David? That Muslims don't believe in Jesus, and that they curse him? Now you know that's a lie. Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com May 18, 2012 1:36 PM

Now lets ask Osama himself what he taught of Jesus, this was taken from his reply above dated Aug,7,2012 11:17am

"Jesus probably fell also weak sexually. Him being a virgin for 33 years probably weighed very heavily on him. He probably:
1- Masturbated.
2- Wished if he was a partner or a husband of a a woman. Outside your bible we have an account of him kissing Mary Magdalene on the mouht. SEE THE GOSPEL OF PHILIPS FOR THIS, OUTSIDE THE BIBLE.

What a disgusting notion that Jesus would do and think such nonsense. This can clearly the thinking of a muslim.
A clear cut troll of a hypocrite indeed.

"NO, you cant have my six year old daughter..

In Christ, For Christ, By Christ