Saturday, April 21, 2012

British Muslims Rape Teenage Girls as Part of Eid Celebrations

According to Islam, Muslims are free to take captives and rape them. When Muslims come to the West, we tell them that Islamic culture is just as good as our culture (if not better). Then everyone is shocked when Muslims rape teenage girls as part of their religious celebrations.

UNITED KINGDOM--A group of Muslim men who abducted and raped two teenage girls as part of their Eid celebrations laughed in court yesterday as they were jailed for a total of 38 years. 
The girls, aged 15 and 16, were lured miles from their home to a dingy hostel. 
In a horrifying weekend-long ordeal, they were plied with alcohol and repeatedly raped by two men, Shamrez Rashid and Amar Hussain, before being offered to a number of others who also ‘used them for sex’. 
The 16-year old was forced to have sex six times with four different men. The younger victim was raped by one man and then sexually assaulted by another. 
One defendant, Rashid, 20, was said to have claimed the girls had enjoyed the sex, which he said had taken place as they celebrated the Muslim festival of Eid. ‘It was Eid,’ he said. ‘We treated them as our guests. OK, so they gave us [sex] but we were buying them food and drink. ‘They could have anything they wanted. They enjoyed it.’ 
His accomplice Amar Hussain, 22, claimed the girls were ‘slags’. 
But Judge Melbourne Inman QC said the girls had still been children at the time of the offences. He said it was quite obvious they had been frightened of the men, but this had had ‘no effect at all’ on their attackers’ behaviour. ‘They were still children and still living with their families,’ Judge Inman said. ‘In a civilised society, such people should be helped. You all abused them. ‘They were extremely vulnerable and you took advantage of that.’ 
The five defendants laughed and smirked as the horrifying details of their offences were described in court yesterday. 
Rashid – who had already been found guilty of two rapes, an attempted rape, child abduction and an attempted sexual assault – grinned, laughed and made gun gestures in the dock. His supporters in the public gallery hurled abuse at the judge as he passed sentence later. 
The court heard how Rashid and Hussain drove the girls from their home in Telford in Shropshire to a Birmingham probation hostel on the evening of Saturday November 28 2009. They took them to an unfamiliar environment so they ‘would be disorientated and reliant on them,’ prosecutors said. 
After raping the girls, they ‘in effect offered them up to their friends, introducing a string of young men into the house’. Over the following 36 hours, the girls were subjected to almost constant abuse, despite begging their attackers to stop. 
The 16-year-old was left with bruising all over her face and neck after she was forced to perform a sex act on Hussain. She was then forced to have sex with Rashid and a third man, Adil Saleem, while others watched. 
The court heard how she held on to a doorframe to try to stop her attacker dragging her into a bedroom, but was pushed inside and the door locked behind her. She was warned that her attackers were in a gang known as the B9 Crew, and that ‘when someone pressed charges against them, they went to their mother’s house, put a gun to her face and broke her jaw’. 
The girls eventually ran from the hostel and called the emergency services from a pay phone. (Read more.)

89 comments:

BOOTA SINGH said...

Praise the lord,
I think this is the time British people should join the EDL (English Defence League). Definitely British people need some peaceful organisation. So they can fight against the coward Muslims.
Peace.

sara said...

I found it interesting to read the comments on the link to this post, a lot of Muslims were saying " I am a muslim and I find this disgusting, disgraceful and it has nothing to do with Islam" it saddens me and angers me that so many Muslims don't know anything about Islam or Muhammad's life. If they did they would condemn their prophet before condemning their fellow muslim brothers, but off cause that's too much to ask because that would mean being consistent.

Truth said...

Muslim rapes a girl or a Christian rapes a girl [ a real faithful christian can NEVER EVER rape a girl( MATTHEW 5:27,28) on the other hand ONLY a faithful strong Muslim can rape( Quran4:3,24,25,34 Quran23:1-6, Quran33:50-52, Quran70:29-31) a girl ] I would love to break his( the rapist ) bones. Although I cannot kill him because I am Christian.

Koala Bear said...

According to Islam, Muslims are free to take captives and rape them.

If only somebody would post this on that page! They block anyone who knows anything about islam though so cannot myself.

cornholio said...

Are you suggesting there's something wrong w/muslim men raping kuffar women? Are you an islamaphobe?

Osama Abdallah said...

I say it again, why couldn't Muslims also have serial killers and rapists and criminals like the millions upon millions that your christian societies have?

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

search 4 truth said...

OSama

THEY DO! You are making an assertion that there arent. When everyone knows that there are. But when they are they are Muslims killing and targeting civilians and non Muslims in the name of Allah! And i would say that Mohamed was a serial killer, rapist, and a child molester.

And where did you get your evidence that there are millions of serial killing Christians and rapists? Where is this list?

And if a nominal or person born into Christianity kills how is he killing for Christ? He is committing a sin and he is a criminal! But if a Muslims kills for Allah he is following Allahs direct commands and the actions of Mohamed.

You are making some ridiculous presuppositions here!

Millions upon millions of Christians.

Ok now start providing the evidence for your lies and logical fallacies! Your complete scum!

search 4 truth said...

Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'.


Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth


Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Osama Abdallah said...

"OSama

THEY DO! You are making an assertion that there arent. When everyone knows that there are. But when they are they are Muslims killing and targeting civilians and non Muslims in the name of Allah! And i would say that Mohamed was a serial killer, rapist, and a child molester."

These lies coming from hateful and desperate bigots and liars had been refuted time and again. Spreading Islam to Mankind and fighting those who wage wars upon the Muslims isn't murder and serial killing. Otherwise, you're saying the same thing on your scriptures' Prophets, and even on Christ himself when he returns to fight all evil.

Islam doesn't command raping girls. If some rapists do it, then they are either criminals, or they were misled fools. In either way, they are dead wrong.

You and your bigots lie and use examples such as right hand posessions after battles. These were spoils of wars that were distributed among the Muslims from orphans and widows to take care of them. *******None of this applies to a Muslim walking up to a non-Muslim girl and raping her. The reasoning is just absurd and is a lie on Islam. Otherwise, if what you and your filthy bigots bark is true, then you would see raping of the minority Christians in the Muslims' lands done by THE WHOLESALE.
Show me where this is the case by the wholesale. Don't give me isolated cases here and there of a girl got raped here or someone got murdered there. Besides, a lot of these cases were retaliations to the western occupiers who came after the lie of 9/11.

And where did you get your evidence that there are millions of serial killing Christians and rapists? Where is this list?

And if a nominal or person born into Christianity kills how is he killing for Christ? He is committing a sin and he is a criminal! But if a Muslims kills for Allah he is following Allahs direct commands and the actions of Mohamed.

You are making some ridiculous presuppositions here!

Millions upon millions of Christians.

Ok now start providing the evidence for your lies and logical fallacies! Your complete scum!

I am not a scum. It's your satan-worshiping low societies that are the scums. Yes, my numbers are right on accurate. You couldn't even dare to walk a lone in remote areas on both Central and South Americas, nor in the Christian-dominated parts of Africa (take Riwanda for instance where 1/2 million were slaughtered, and most of them were Christians slaughtered by Christians). And here in the US, you couldn't even dare to walk in the ghetto and gangs-infested cities without knowing that you are seriously risking your life. And in Europe and Asia we have the same sh**. IN fact, in Russia and Itatly and much of Europe ********WE EVEN HAVE MAPHIAS THAT STEAL CHILDREN, RAPE WOMEN, SELL THEM AS SEX SLAVES IN WHAT IS KNOWN AS THE SLAVE-TRADE, AND KILL AND RAPE AND TERRORISE THE ORDINARY CIVILIANS IN THE WHOLESALES.

You scum dirt, here in the US they even warn the people to BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE CAREEEEEEEEEFUL FROM DATING RUSSIAN OR EASTERN EUROPEAN WOMEN, BECAUSE THEY'RE KNOWN TO INTOXICATE THEIR VICTIMS AND STEAL THEIR KIDNIES AND SELL them in the black market.


Your Christians world-wide are the biggest scums on this earth according to all of the statistics and facts! Even the Eastern pagans, the Jews and the Muslims don't come anywhere near what your people do.

So much for your Christian fruits.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Ben Ronning said...

@Osama

Methinks the meaning of irony is lost on you.

goethechosemercy said...

If you are a Christian, you doom your soul if you rape a woman, man or child.
If you are a Westerner and you rape, you have broken the law.
And you respect the law not because it "came down from heaven," but because it is based on reason.
If you are a Muslim, you incur no penalty at all for deception, cruelty or rape. Rape does not exist as a sin in Islam. There is absolutely nothing that binds a Muslim to
1. tell the truth
2. respect the personal space of others
3. respect the physical integrity of others
4. respect the property rights of others or territory of non-Muslim nations.
NOTHING!
So how could any sane national government in the West allow Muslims to immigrate to their territory?
How?

aaron said...

@osama
you know why we do not take yous seriously from your rant? you still have not apologized for 1 corintheans 5:5 can't even read or read the title of the said chapter.

Its funny that you think that the whole western world is Christian which is not. Have you even been to a university and notices the population in various religious and non religious groups? i can tell you majority are not christian.

Osama at least get your facts right before becoming a apologists. Majority friends i know are not christian from high school and in university.

you need to get out more and see the world instead of your hidney hole of a muslim community that you have been hiding in. I spend time interacting with eastern cultures and western cultures then you have and I know better then you.

Osama have you ever runned a statistic test on muslims in prison compared to the rest of population. in Australia the amount of them is 4% from a muslim population of 1% is extremely high. when 99% of the population only produces around 96%.

1% created 4 times more criminals ratio then the rest of the population

you are brainwashed beyond believe

Osama Abdallah said...

"If you are a Christian, you doom your soul if you rape a woman, man or child."

RESPONSE:

No you don't. You just go take a leak at a church with a priest with a wall seperating the two of you and you'd be all set and forgiven.


Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

apran said...

There is no rape according to Quran, as Quran never mentions it at all. In fact Quran is encouraging rape by telling men to beat their women based on suspicion of the women's loyalty.

No wonder scumbags are fond of Islam.

Mary said...

They sneered at being prosecuted by a non-Sharia court for acts which are sanctioned under Islam (forcing sex with captives). They sneered because they know that the jihad goal of Sharia law being imposed on a conquered UK will mean they will be freed from jail. They sneered because the followed the teaching and example of Mohammad.

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Koala Bear said...

@Osama - if the west is so bad and so immoral why do you live there? Shouldn't you be living in the hellhole muslim country you come from? Still, maybe one day you will wake up and smell the lies.

Foolster41 said...

@Osama: Lies and bigotry? You mean equating all of Western civilization with Christianity somehow? Or maybe you mean falsely smearing people who believe that hate crimes don't happen against muslims all that often (while they are citing a report that says that hate crimes against muslims don't happen that often?)? Oh, you mean widely misrepresenting scriptures to mean something it doesn't actually mean, all while decrying people who supposedly do the same to the Quran?

I keep calling you on this, over and over and you either flee or ignore me. Honesty and consistency!

aaron said...

@foolster and Osama
foolster we both know that Osama doesn;t have the guts to admit he is wrong he still hasn't apologised for 1conritheans 5:5 and his latest rants is on songs of songs.

lets give osama the benefit of the doubt sand say we are wrong in our apologetics. At the very least we use what it says in the text. OSama on the other hand does not.

main reason he doesn;t even read shown in examples above

if it was a honest mistake for not properly researching it is alright. But he is worst, he doesn;t even read and takes a verse is that he says things like paul orders people to kill the sexually immoral when the title clearly says expel the immoral brother.

You know what i think he is one of those people who likes his position too much due to his prestige it offers and if he leaves it he will have nothing and resorts to a form of self deceit

Hazakim1 said...

Osama, and other muslim "apologists" are completely INCAPABLE of equa standards and intellectual honesty. They couldnt care less about being consistent or honest. They are, by their very sin nature (inherrant in those who are not saved) liars and tricksters.

The reward for his lack of concern for truth will be the desire of his heart: an eternity without the goodness of truth. Repent or face the wrath of the God of Israel.

Davidsmountain .^. said...

The Koran says 91 different times, that Muhammad is the perfect pattern of life. It is much more important, for a Muslim to know Muhammad, than the Koran. To know Islam, is to know Muhammad. Therefore, taking children of 9 years old as sex slaves and wives, is acceptable, given Muhammad's perfect example. Even today, recent fatwas issued by Islamic clerics allow such "relationships" with children. Much of Islamic history, is replete with the taking of sex slaves, both boys and girls, to satisfy the perversions of Muslim men. Allah promises those that die in jihad, will find paradise offers young boys and girls, for the sexual gratification of a Muslim man. I'm sure the smirks and smiles, will fade to grimmaces of pain, when big Bubba has his way with these animals of Islam, behind prison walls. You can be sure, it will be more than 5 times a day that they prostrate themselves. That's JUSTICE!

Osama Abdallah said...

@Osama - if the west is so bad and so immoral why do you live there?

RESPONSE:

This is my country, and Islam is one of the USA's official religions. If you don't like me being here, then you leave this country.
Christianity has failed this country. Perhaps Islam will fix it and heal it.

Forget also the modern-day "Judaism", since it is literally owned by the Jews and not GOD. Another corrupt and false religion that has also failed this country. Only Islam is the Truth!

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Zack_Tiang said...

Stop acting like a bigot and calling everyone else a bigot, Osama. Please.

You're such a Christophobic / Westophobic.

Andish said...

Osama.. That's called Catholicism. Many Christians don't even talk to a priest because they're not catholic just like many Muslims don't whip themselves because they're not Shia.

Your ignorance is astounding. No one believes if you talk to a priest you are completely forgiven. Kind of strange what you accuse Christians in this board of you're doing right this moment. But I expect nothing less from a Muslim who thrives on violence and killing those who oppose Islam.

Nakdimon said...

REALLY "GREAT" BRITAIN?? REALLY? How much longer will you cry tolerance while your citizens suffer at the hands of Muslims who are being protecyed under the tolerance banner you so proudly promote? Does tolerance come at any price?

Osama Abdallah said...

"The Koran says 91 different times, that Muhammad is the perfect pattern of life."

RESPONSE:

Where does the Glorious Quran Say this?! No where is the Prophet, or anyone, ever been called "perfect" or "perfect example".
There is a Noble Verse or two that say that in the Prophet we have a good example. The pagan Arabs used to:

1- Full of hate and tribal divisions against each others.

2- Kill their dauthers.

3- Worship idols.

4- Lie, deceive, have no moral standards of virtually anything, and so much more...

So yes, the Prophet of Islam, peace be upon him, came to set the standards to the pagan Arabs.

Even in slavery, the Prophet said that your slave is your brother. Visit: www.answering-christianity.com/human.htm

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

search 4 truth said...

Osama Your delusional. Islam does ordain rape and adultery of female captives! I didnt say little girls. But it does ordain murder of non Muslim children.


The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used not to kill the children, so thou shouldst not kill them unless you could know what Khadir had known about the child he killed, or you could distinguish between a child who would grow up to he a believer (and a child who would grow up to be a non-believer), so that you killed the (prospective) non-believer and left the (prospective) believer aside. (Sahih Muslim 4457)


Rape and adultery!

"We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter" (Sahih Muslim 3371)

Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)


And no the Biblical stories of judgment of people were only for a specific people, place and time! Unlike Islam that commands Muslims for all time and all places to fight non Muslims!


Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth

Allah's Messenger called Ali [and said]: “Proceed on and do not look about until Allah grants you victory,” and Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: “Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?” Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: ”Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger…” (Sahih Muslim 5917)

Your lies are so easily refuted!

aussie christian said...

I would suggest that everyone ignore osama, he is doing his best to divert attention away from this disgusting practice by throwing insults, curses and false information out.

He has no answer to the problem at hand, so he has to attempt to divert, thus needs ignoring like the fool, wastes space and time.

goethechosemercy said...

Quote:
"If you are a Christian, you doom your soul if you rape a woman, man or child."

RESPONSE:

No you don't. You just go take a leak at a church with a priest with a wall seperating the two of you and you'd be all set and forgiven.
end

Lie.
Lie and lie.
There are many Christians who never confess.

goethechosemercy said...

Quote:
This is my country, and Islam is one of the USA's official religions.
end

Another lie.
The 1st Amendment says there is no establishment of religion.
Therefore, no religion is official in the U.S.
The holiness or profanity of your faith is not an issue in the political sphere in the U.S.
However that is, your faith and culture are non-Western and much of what's in them is extremely abhorrent in the West.
Time will not change this reality.
Even if your people become the majority, Westerners will still find your culture disgusting and profane.

Deleting said...

Osama said, "I am not a scum."

Yes you are...a satanic one at that.
These girls were R-A-P-E-D! AFTER EID!! Who does that?!?!?

You apparently don't seem to care.

All you do is deflect... Oh what am I saying, you're looking forward to your whorehouse in the sky and latin girls are easy according to you.
Honeestly David, I don't know why you let him post here. All he does is upset people and call them names.

Samatar Mohamed said...

@gotthechosemercy

"Rape does not exist as a sin in Islam."

Actually, Rape is considered a huge sin in islam. Here is an authentic narration of a man who raped this woman. Can you guess what his punishment was as declared by the prophet Muhammad (pbuh)? The man was sentenced to death.

Sunan Abu Dawud

Book 38, Number 4366:
Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr:

"When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her.

She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her.

She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him).

When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her.

He (the Prophet) said to her: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. But he told the man some good words (AbuDawud said: meaning the man who was seized), and of the man who had had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death."

Next, Islam also prohibits forcing slaves into prostitution regardless of their financial difficulties. If muslims cannot even force their maids into prostitution, then how on earth would muslims be allowed to rape their slaves.

Surah 24:33

"Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allah gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum) give them such a deed if ye know any good in them; yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet after such compulsion, is Allah Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them)."

Lastly, in Islam we are told to have respect for our slaves. We are told to treat our slaves as our relatives, feed them from what we eat, cloth them from what we wear, we are not allowed to beat our slaves, or overburden our slaves with work without helping them, we are encouraged to free our slaves, and the last words of the prophet (pbuh) according to Ali was "The prayer! The prayer! Fear Allah concerning your slaves!"

search 4 truth said...

@ Samatar

We have already refuted you on this topic multiple times. And 24:33 has nothing to do with the rape of female captives. It is about making them prostitute themselves! I understand you have to lie, thats a Muslims job. But you have been refuted and corrected about this topic on at least 3 instances!

And the hadith that you presented is about a Muslim woman being attacked. No9t a female captive! Your referencing a completely different topic. Nobody said that Muslims could rape other Muslim women. But they can rape female non Muslim captives! You have no integrity! aND YOU ARE INCAPABLE OF CRITICAL THINKING!



* تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn 24:33
{ وَلْيَسْتَعْفِفِ ٱلَّذِينَ لاَ يَجِدُونَ نِكَاحاً حَتَّىٰ يُغْنِيَهُمُ ٱللَّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِ وَٱلَّذِينَ يَبْتَغُونَ الْكِتَابَ مِمَّا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ فَكَاتِبُوهُمْ إِنْ عَلِمْتُمْ فِيهِمْ خَيْراً وَآتُوهُمْ مِّن مَّالِ ٱللَّهِ ٱلَّذِيۤ آتَاكُمْ وَلاَ تُكْرِهُواْ فَتَيَاتِكُمْ عَلَى ٱلْبِغَآءِ إِنْ أَرَدْنَ تَحَصُّناً لِّتَبْتَغُواْ عَرَضَ ٱلْحَيَاةِ ٱلدُّنْيَا وَمَن يُكْرِههُنَّ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ مِن بَعْدِ إِكْرَاهِهِنَّ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ }

And let those who cannot find the means to marry be continent, [those who do not have] the bridal money or the means for financial support needed for marriage, [let them restrain themselves] from fornication, until God enriches them, [until] He improves their means, out of His bounty, and they marry. And those who seek a written contract [of emancipation], from among those whom your right hand owns, of male slaves and female slaves, contract with them accordingly, if you know in them any good, such as trustworthiness and the ability to earn [income] in order to fulfil the amount stated in the written contract, which might be worded for example thus: ‘I contract you for [the amount of] two thousand to be paid over a period of two months, at one thousand a month, and if you fulfill this, you are a free man’, and the other would say, ‘I accept’; and give them — this is a command for the [slaves’] owners — out of the wealth of God which He has given you, in the measure that will help them to fulfill their commitment to you (the action of ītā’, ‘giving’, here suggests that some of the amount to which they have committed themselves should be waived). And do not compel your slave-girls, your handmaidens, to prostitution, fornication, when they desire to be chaste, to abstain therefrom (this ‘desire’ is the cause of the [act of] ‘compulsion’, so that the statement is not properly a conditional), that you may seek, through such compulsion, the transient things of the life of this world — this was revealed regarding ‘Abd Allāh b. Ubayy, who used to force his slave-girls to earn money through fornication. And should anyone compel them, then surely God, after their compulsion, will be Forgiving, to these [slave-girls], Merciful, to them.

search 4 truth said...

* تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn
{ وَٱلْمُحْصَنَٰتُ مِنَ ٱلنِّسَآءِ إِلاَّ مَا مَلَكْتَ أَيْمَٰنُكُمْ كِتَٰبَ ٱللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ وَأُحِلَّ لَكُمْ مَّا وَرَاءَ ذَٰلِكُمْ أَن تَبْتَغُواْ بِأَمْوَٰلِكُمْ مُّحْصِنِينَ غَيْرَ مُسَٰفِحِينَ فَمَا ٱسْتَمْتَعْتُمْ بِهِ مِنْهُنَّ فَآتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ فَرِيضَةً وَلاَ جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِيمَا تَرَٰضَيْتُمْ بِهِ مِن بَعْدِ ٱلْفَرِيضَةِ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيماً حَكِيماً }

And, forbidden to you are, wedded women, those with spouses, that you should marry them before they have left their spouses, be they Muslim free women or not; save what your right hands own, of captured [slave] girls, whom you may have sexual intercourse with, even if they should have spouses among the enemy camp, but only after they have been absolved of the possibility of pregnancy [after the completion of one menstrual cycle]; this is what God has prescribed for you (kitāba is in the accusative because it is the verbal noun). Lawful for you (read passive wa-uhilla, or active wa-ahalla), beyond all that, that is, except what He has forbidden you of women, is that you seek, women, using your wealth, by way of a dowry or a price, in wedlock and not, fornicating, in illicitly. Such wives as you enjoy thereby, and have had sexual intercourse with, give them their wages, the dowries that you have assigned them, as an obligation; you are not at fault in agreeing together, you and they, after the obligation, is waived, decreased or increased. God is ever Knowing, of His creatures, Wise, in what He has ordained for them.



* تفسير Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
{ وَٱلْمُحْصَنَٰتُ مِنَ ٱلنِّسَآءِ إِلاَّ مَا مَلَكْتَ أَيْمَٰنُكُمْ كِتَٰبَ ٱللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ وَأُحِلَّ لَكُمْ مَّا وَرَاءَ ذَٰلِكُمْ أَن تَبْتَغُواْ بِأَمْوَٰلِكُمْ مُّحْصِنِينَ غَيْرَ مُسَٰفِحِينَ فَمَا ٱسْتَمْتَعْتُمْ بِهِ مِنْهُنَّ فَآتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ فَرِيضَةً وَلاَ جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِيمَا تَرَٰضَيْتُمْ بِهِ مِن بَعْدِ ٱلْفَرِيضَةِ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيماً حَكِيماً }

(And all married women (are forbidden unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess) of captives, even if they have husbands in the Abode of War, after ascertaining that they are not pregnant, by waiting for the lapse of one period of menstruation. (It is a decree of Allah for you) that which I have mentioned to you is unlawful in Allah's Book. (Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned) as unlawful, (so that ye seek them) marry (with your wealth) up to four wives; it is also said that this means: so that you buy with your wealth captives; and it is also said that this means: so that you should seek with your money marrying women for an agreed period of time (zawaj al-mut'ah) but the lawfulness of this practice was later abrogated, (in honest wedlock) He says: be with them as legitimate husbands, (not debauchery) not indulging in adultery without having a proper marriage. (And those of whom) after marriage (ye seek content) from whom you derive benefit, (give unto them their portions) give to them their full dowry (as a duty) as an obligation upon you from Allah to give the dowry in full. (And there is no sin for you) there is no harm for you (in what ye do by mutual agreement) in increasing or decreasing the amount of the dowry by mutual agreement (after the duty hath been done) after the first obligation to which you have aspired. (Lo! Allah is ever Knower) in relation to making lawful to you marriage for an agreed, limited period of time, (Wise) in later making this practice unlawful; it is also said that this means: Allah is ever Knower of your compulsion for marriage for an agreed, limited period of time, Wise in making such marriage unlawful.

search 4 truth said...

* تفسير Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
{ إِلاَّ عَلَىٰ أَزْوَاجِهِمْ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُمْ فَإِنَّهُمْ غَيْرُ مَلُومِينَ }

(Save from their wives) up to four wives (or the (slaves) that their right hands possess) without any limit in number, (for then they are not blameworthy) when they engage in that which is lawful,



* تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn
{ إِلاَّ عَلَىٰ أَزْوَاجِهِمْ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُمْ فَإِنَّهُمْ غَيْرُ مَلُومِينَ }

except from their spouses, that is, to their spouses, and what [slaves] their right hands possess, that is, concubines, for then they are not blameworthy, in having sexual intercourse with them.


And you can do as you please with your slaves! Including beat them and force them to have sex.

From Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 32/278. The hadeeth was narrated by Muslim, 1736.
So the wife should be admonished first, and warned against defiance (nushooz) and of the anger of Allaah and the curse of the angels. If she does not respond, then the husband should forsake her in her bed, and if she does not respond to that, then he may hit her in a manner that does not cause injury. If none of these steps are effective, then he may stop spending on her maintenance and clothing, and he has the right to divorce her or to allow her to separate from him by khula’ in return for some financial settlement, such as giving up the mahr.
Similarly a slave woman does not have the right to refuse her master’s requests unless she has a valid excuse. If she does that she is being disobedient and he has the right to discipline her in whatever manner he thinks is appropriate and is allowed in sharee’ah.
And Allaah knows best.
Husband forcing his wife to have intercourse
Islam Q&A, Fatwa No. 33597

YOU LIVE A LIE!

Assyria_Lost said...

Osama: This is my country, and Islam is one of the USA's official religions. If you don't like me being here, then you leave this country.

When you see the President take an oath required by the United States Constitution with a copy of Quran, then you can say Islam is an official religion. Until then.... dream on buddy!.

The USA is not your country just as much UK isn’t mine, we are both permanent guests at our respective locations. If it weren’t for the evil fruits of Islam my parents would not have immigrated. The only diffidence between me and you is that I won’t betray the country that which has fed me. So if I were you i’d show a bit of respect.

Samatar Mohamed said...

@Search for truth

Let me make things clear now. When I posted the hadith on the muslim non-captive being raped, the purpose was to show that rape is considered a sin in Islam. The person I was responding to said that "Rape does not exist as a sin in Islam." My post showed otherwise. I rightly said in my earlier post that the Quranic verse (24:33) is speaking about forcing maids into prostitution. My point on the verse is that if you are not even allowed to force your slaves into prostitution, than you sure cannot rape them. Now, you and other members hold that rape is considered a sin in Islam unless the rape is done to captives, slaves. There is no evidence in the hadith of the captives having sex with the muslim companions WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT. Everytime you bring a narration, all it established is that muslim men had sex with their captives. It does not say whether the women disagreed with it. Now your next move is called appealing to emotions. You say why would a captive want to have sex with their captors. You then assume that because of this, they must have raped their slaves. What you fail to see is that by holding this position, you not only condemn Islam, but you also condemn the God of the Old Testament. Here is a prime example:

Deut. 21:10-14

"When you go forth to war against your enemies, and the Lord your God has delivered them into your hands, and you have taken them captive,
And you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and desire her, and take her for a wife -
Then you shall bring her home to your house, and she shall shave her head and do her nails,
And she shall remove the garment of her captivity from her, and remain in your house and weep for her father and mother a for month, and after that you may approach her and have intercourse with her, and she shall be your wife.
And if you do not want her, you shall send her out on her own; you shall not sell her at all for money, you shall not treat her as a slave, because you "violated" her."

Lets examine this shall we using search for truths criteria. According to you, because there is no way on earth a captured woman would want to have sex with their captor, than the sex would be rape. Now, the biblical passage says that the men cannot immediately have sex with their captors, rather, they would have to wait a month before they can engage in such an act. But who is to say that after a month that all of a sudden the women would be dying to have sex with their captors. What difference does one second, minute, or month make searchfortruth. The verse does not explicitly mention (just like the hadiths you point out) as to whether the sex is consensual,therefore it would be safe to assume that using YOUR CRITERIA, God almighty allowed rape in the bible.

Osama Abdallah said...

"The only diffidence between me and you is that I won’t betray the country that which has fed me. So if I were you i’d show a bit of respect."

RESPONSE:

Yes you would. George Bush screwed the US' economy by invading Iraq (your country) because the ass thought that he was fulfilling the book of Revelations "FALL OF BABYLON PROPHECY".
Little did this Texas turd know that it's his country and the entire christian-dominated pornographic societies that are the Babylon that is also called the Prostitute of the World.

Your christians, who are nothing but toilet papers in the hands of the Jews also allowed for the Jews to screw this country with 9/11, which the US hasn't yet stood on its feet from.

Christians, especially the NEO-CONS, would betray their countries left and right if one fills in their turd brains that it's a bible prophecy that is being fulfilled.

So no, your christians are the biggest betrayers to the US. Like the Jews, they have no loyalty. At least the Glorious Quran Commands me to Obey Allah Almighty, the Prophet and the Ruling Authority of the land that I live in.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Kangaroo said...

Youre either amazingly stupid or amazingly bigoted to believe the child bigot Wood that Islam condones this.

Locrian said...

You Said: These lies coming from hateful and desperate bigots and liars had been refuted time and again.
Reply: I think you confuse something being debated with something being refuted. I've not heard compelling evidence yet that Mo was all those things. To us that is how he appears. By Christian values, and those of the west, which is all that really matters here in the west, he is all those things and a few more.

You Said: Spreading Islam to Mankind and fighting those who wage wars upon the Muslims isn't murder and serial killing.
Reply: Incorrect. Even on a very secular level as soon as Islam attempts to spread beyond it's country of origin as a conqueror, it's then murdering people. It's not a defensive situation once you go to other lands.

You Said: Otherwise, you're saying the same thing on your scriptures' Prophets, and even on Christ himself when he returns to fight all evil.
Reply: Wrong again. Back to that word "defense" The Jews at no time took lands outside of what God ordained. They were only ever entitled to very exact boundaries. As far as Christ "killing"? I'm not really sure how you've come to this conclusion. I would think you believe that Allah can take or give life as he sees fit. So even if you don't believe us, knowing what we believe about Christ, a correlation with a murderer is way out of context.

You Said: Islam doesn't command raping girls. If some rapists do it, then they are either criminals, or they were misled fools. In either way, they are dead wrong.
Reply: I guess your above statement needs to be clarified on your part. Are you saying Muslims men can not do as they will with what their right hand posses? When you say "girls" does this mean women with a faith in Islam? Any woman of any faith?

Locrian said...

You Said: You and your bigots lie and use examples such as right hand possessions after battles. These were spoils of wars that were distributed among the Muslims from orphans and widows to take care of them.
Reply: OK a couple things wrong with this: first your "spoils of war". How can this be "defensive" if you're making it to lands where the opposite side has it's women and children? No soldier takes his wife and kids with him. This was obviously during times of conquest. There wouldn't be "spoils" with a defense. There would be your stuff, the stuff you're defending.

You Said: None of this applies to a Muslim walking up to a non-Muslim girl and raping her.
Reply: No it doesn't, but that's because you've re-worded our argument. The Muslim would have to "own" the girl. But by our moral standards a woman who you just killed her dad and her brother and her husband isn't going to willingly want to have sex with the murderer. This, in our definition is still rape. Just like even if a 9 year old willingly goes to the bed of an old man, it's still rape as the child is far to young for that kind of abuse. I know that's not how Islam looks at it, but that's why we'll never turn to Islam as a nation. Even atheist use the same definition for rape.

You Said: The reasoning is just absurd and is a lie on Islam.
Reply: Not in our opinion. We don't see things through the lens of the Quran. To us rape is any sex with any captive, and sex with any 9 year old, whatever the reasoning and situation may be,

You Said: Otherwise, if what you and your filthy bigots bark is true, then you would see raping of the minority Christians in the Muslims' lands done by THE WHOLESALE. Show me where this is the case by the wholesale. Don't give me isolated cases here and there of a girl got raped here or someone got murdered there.
Reply: You imply we don't believe their are Muslim people that do not have a higher moral compass then Allah does. We're very glad there are only about 10% of the Muslims that take every word and every command of Muhammad seriously and accurately. Even though those numbers would still reach into the millions, we're very glad for the sake of humanity all 1.5 billion of you guys aren't like Muhammad much at all.

You Said:
Besides, a lot of these cases were retaliations to the western occupiers who came after the lie of 9/11.
Reply: Your tin foil hat is askew

search 4 truth said...

Samatar. your desperate and delusional.

In Deuteronomy it says you must wait a Month for her to mourn her family. And then you MUST Marry her.
While on the other hand the Quran. hadith. and tafsirs say that all women are forbidden unto you, to have sex with, except your wives, and those whom your right hand possesses. Now I dont know if you ask your possessions if you can do what you want with them, but the clear implication is that if you own something, you do not ask it for consent to be used. Nor is there any ayat, hadith, or tafsair that says you must ask for permission or it is mutual. I presented the evidence from a fatwa that even makes it clear that a slave cannot deny her master, or their will be consequences. And if you can beat your wife, you can also beat your slave! And yes Abu Bakre beat a slave while Mohamed laughed. You are desperate and delusional! And the hadith that I presented are as clear as the nose on your face! Not to mention that Islam ordains adultery with female captives.

Similarly a slave woman does not have the right to refuse her master’s requests unless she has a valid excuse. If she does that she is being disobedient and he has the right to discipline her in whatever manner he thinks is appropriate and is allowed in sharee’ah.
And Allaah knows best.
Husband forcing his wife to have intercourse
Islam Q&A, Fatwa No. 33597

cornholio said...

In the INdian sub-continent the rape of Hindu and Sikh women by muslimes is a time-honored tradition (from wikipedia, which whitewashes the extent of the problem):

Ahmad Shah Abdali

Abdali's soldiers took about 22,000 Hindu women and young children and brought them to their camps. The women were raped in the camp, many committed suicide because of constant rapes perpetrated on them. All of the prisoners were exchanged or sold as sex slaves in Afghanistan, transported on bullock carts, camels and elephants in bamboo cages.[73][74]

Bangladesh

The HAF report documents the long history of anti-Hindu atrocities[120] in Bangladesh,[121] a topic that many Indians and Indian governments over the years have preferred not to acknowledge. Such atrocities, including targeted attacks[122] against temples, open theft of Hindu property, and rape of young Hindu women and enticements to convert to Islam, have increased sharply in recent years after the Jamat-e-Islami joined the coalition government led by the Bangladesh National Party.[123][124]

Since this government has come into power, of all the rape crimes registered in Bangladesh, 98% have been registered by Hindu women.

Hindu women have also been known to be victims of kidnapping and forced conversion to Islam.[154] Around 25 Hindu girls are abducted every month and forcibly converted to Islam in Pakistan, as reported by Pakistani media.[155] Krishan Bheel, a Hindu member of the National Assembly of Pakistan, came into the news recently for manhandling Qari Gul Rehman after being taunted with a religious insult.[156] Krishan Bheel, a Hindu member of the National Assembly of Pakistan, came into the news recently for manhandling Qari Gul Rehman after being taunted with a religious insult.[157]

On October 18, 2005, Sanno Amra and Champa, a Hindu couple residing in the Punjab Colony, Karachi, Sindh returned home to find that their three teenage daughters had disappeared. After inquiries to the local police, the couple discovered that their daughters had been taken to a local madrassah, had been converted to Islam, and were denied unsupervised contact with their parents.[158]

A Pakistan Muslim League politician has states that abduction of Hindus and Sikhs is a business in Pakistan, along with conversions of Hindus to Islam[159]. Forced conversion, rape, and forced marriages of Hindu women in Pakistan (akin to Love Jihad) have recently become very controversial in Pakistan.[160][161]

search 4 truth said...

[al-Nisa’ 4:3] What is meant by “or (slaves) that your right hands possess” is slave women whom you own.
And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“O Prophet (Muhammad)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal‑money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (slaves) whom your right hand possesses — whom Allaah has given to you, and the daughters of your ‘Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your ‘Ammaat (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khaal (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khaalaat (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those (slaves) whom their right hands possess, in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And Allaah is Ever Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful”
[al-Ahzaab 33:50]
“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).
Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.
But whosoever seeks beyond that, then it is those who are trespassers” [al-Ma’aarij 70:29-31]
Al-Tabari said:
Allaah says, “And those who guard their chastity” i.e., protect their private parts from doing everything that Allaah has forbidden, but they are not to blame if they do not guard their chastity from their wives or from the female slaves whom their rights hands possess.
Tafseer al-Tabari, 29/84
Ibn Katheer said:
Taking a concubine as well as a wife is permissible according to the law of Ibraaheem (peace be upon him). Ibraaheem did that with Haajar, when he took her as a concubine when he was married to Saarah.
Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 1/383
And Ibn Katheer also said:
The phrase “and those (slaves) whom your right hand possesses — whom Allaah has given to you” [al-Ahzaab 33:50] means, it is permissible for you take concubines from among those whom you seized as war booty. He took possession of Safiyyah and Juwayriyah and he freed them and married them; he took possession of Rayhaanah bint Sham’oon al-Nadariyyah and Maariyah al-Qibtiyyah, the mother of his son Ibraaheem (peace be upon them both), and they were among his concubines, may Allaah be pleased with them both.
Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/500
The scholars are unanimously agreed that it is permissible.
Ibn Qudaamah said:
There is no dispute (among the scholars) that it is permissible to take concubines and to have intercourse with one's slave woman, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).
Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.”

search 4 truth said...

[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-30]
Maariyah al-Qibtiyyah was the umm walad (a slave woman who bore her master a child) of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and she was the mother of Ibraaheem, the son of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), of whom he said, “Her son set her free.” Haajar, the mother of Isma’eel (peace be upon him), was the concubine of Ibraaheem the close friend (khaleel) of the Most Merciful (peace be upon him). ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) had a number of slave women who bore him children, to each of whom he left four hundred in his will. ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) had slave women who bore him children, as did many of the Sahaabah. ‘Ali ibn al-Husayn, al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad and Saalim ibn ‘Abd-Allaah were all born from slave mothers
Al-Mughni, 10/441
Al-Shaafa’i (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).
Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.”
[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-30]
The Book of Allaah indicates that the sexual relationships that are permitted are only of two types, either marriage or those (women slaves) whom one’s right hand possesses.
Al-Umm, 5/43.
The wife has no right to object to her husband owning female slaves or to his having intercourse with them.
And Allaah knows best.
Ruling on having intercourse with a slave woman when one has a wife
Islam Q&A, Fatwa No. 10382, November 24, 2005

SAMATAR YOU ARE LIVING A LIE! No where does it say that it has to be consensual, or you have to ask what you own for permission! You are a LIAR!


I drove them along until I brought them to Abu Bakr who bestowed that girl upon me as a prize. So we arrived in Medina. I had not yet disrobed her when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) met me in the street and said: “Give me that girl.” (Sahih Muslim 4345)


"I had not yet disrobed her" Where does it say I had not yet had consensual adulterated sex with her yet?

YOU LIVE A LIE! Your suffering from cognitive dissonance. Your mind cannot let you see this obvious fact. It gives you discomfort, and the years of indoctrination will not allow your mind to accept this clear FACT!

Search 4 Truth said...

Read it and weep Samatar. Now forget your a Muslim for a minute and use your BRAIN!

Nevertheless, the wisdom underlying the permission granted by Shariah to copulate with a slave woman is as follows: The LEGAL possession that a Muslim receives over a slave woman from the "Ameerul-Mu'mineen" (the Islamic Head of State) gives him legal credence to have coition with the slave woman in his possession, just as the marriage ceremony gives him legal credence to have coition with his wife. In other words, this LEGAL POSSESSION is, in effect, a SUBSTITUTE of the MARRIAGE CEREMONY. A free woman cannot be 'possessed', bought or sold like other possessions; therefore Shariah instituted a 'marriage ceremony' in which affirmation and consent takes place, which gives a man the right to copulate with her. On the other hand, a slave girl can be possessed and even bought and sold, thus, this right of possession, substituting as a marriage ceremony, entitles the owner to copulate with her. A similar example can be found in the slaughtering of animals; that after a formal slaughtering process, in which the words, "Bismillahi Allahu Akbar" are recited, goats, cows, etc.; become "Halaal" and lawful for consumption, whereas fish becomes "Halaal" merely through 'possession' which substitutes for the slaughtering.
In other words, just as legal possession of a fish that has been fished out of the water, makes it Halaal for human consumption without the initiation of a formal slaughtering process; similarly legal possession of a slave woman made her Halaal for the purpose of coition with her owner without the initiation of a formal marriage ceremony.
Recently I saw a question on the status of women taken as prisoners during Jihad
Mufti Ebrahim Desai, Ask-Imam, Fatwa No. 10896

This distinguishes between a marriage contract and a possession! YOU LIVE A LIE! And Osama is a LIAR! You are just deceived!

Osama Abdallah said...
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Foolster41 said...

Osama: You seem to have no problem posting your rants on the west and Christianity (painting them in one stroke, the very thing you decry against us supposedly doing against Islam) but you still can't apologize for your errors and rude behavior. Why is that?

You are right about our goverement selling out to just anyone, but it is both sides of the isle who do this. We ally ourselves with Islamic fascist dictators (Syria, Saudia Arabia, Palastinian Authority, Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt etc.) and communists (China) that don't serve our interests. Oh, wait. Or do you mean the one democracy that gives equal rights to all citizens regardless of religion or gender in the middle east who is the target of daily genocidal hatred by their neighbors, and the target of 3 genocidal wars against them in the last 30 years?

search 4 truth said...

Look at Osamas hatred and blatant bigotry

1. Lumping all of them together

2. All people from the South are trash.

3. He refers to minorities as sub human.

So it's ok to call all of the People in the South trash, even the minorities. And then he thinks it's ok to say that All corporations think that the minorities are sub human.

Is this guy on medication? Look at the hate and vitriolic hypocrisy. And who are these Christian leaders who are doing this? LOL! This guy doesnt even make any sense! He is so full of hatred he cannot even be consistent in his ramblings! The hypocrisy is phenomenal Especially in light of the hatred and bigotry of Islam and Allah!

Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures. (98:6)

Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe. (8:55)


Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth


Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"


Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."


Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"


Please Mohamed continue with your rants. You are a great example of a Muslim! LOL!

Osama Abdallah said...

Sorry, yeah, I did sound very bigotted and very racist. I apologize. Didn't mean to generalize ALL southerners though. I am not a racist. I just don't understand why people don't get the 9/11 lie. But it's not an excuse to be absusive like this. My apologies.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Foolster41 said...

Actually, Osama you are a racist, since you a Jew-hater. You believe Jews were behind 9/11, believe Isreal has no right to exist as a homeland for Jews (even though it has just as much legal right as Jordan, and more right to exist than "palastine"), repeat anti-semetic lies about Isreal and praised Genocidal HAMAS!

It's good your apologizing for that post, so then can you apollogize to me for your slandering me about me supposedly wanting hate crimes against Muslims happen? Can you apollogize for your misuse of Song of Solomon or 1 Chron 5:5? If not, why not?

cornholio said...

@Osama

What, specifically, is the "9-11 lie"? LOL, I can hardly wait to find out.

Assyria_Lost said...

Osama: Yes you would. George Bush screwed the US' economy by invading Iraq (your country) because the ass thought that he was fulfilling the book of Revelations "FALL OF BABYLON PROPHECY". Little did this Texas turd know that it's his country and the entire christian-dominated pornographic societies that are the Babylon that is also called the Prostitute of the World.


When has the Iraqi Christians ever betrayed the USA or any country in the West?? They have been living in exile all over the world for a very long time with most of population concentrated in the USA including the head of the Church. The British betrayed the Iraqi Christians (Assyrians) after WW1 when they promised them their own antonymous region in Iraq but never delivered on their word, did they retaliate?

The only reason we’re in exile is because of that EVIL religion you call Islam and its adherent who for the past fourteen centuries has not let us live in peace.

Osama: Your christians, who are nothing but toilet papers in the hands of the Jews also allowed for the Jews to screw this country with 9/11, which the US hasn't yet stood on its feet from.

I don’t expect much sympathy from the Jews for the Assyrians, the last time they crossed paths the Assyrians did evade their country and took them into slavery , as a result ten of their tribes were lost.

As to your ridiculous claim that the Jews were responsible for 9/11, and why would the Jews attack the only country in the world that supports the state of Israel?? A typical Muslim propaganda, blame everything on the Jews.

In Genesis 27:29, God made a promise to Jacob’s descendents ‘’May those who curse you be cursed and those who bless you be blessed.’’ I would say the USA is indeed the only country blessed because of their support for Israel. Britain betrayed the Jews when they revised the Balfour Declaration in favour of the Arabs and now Britain is not so ”Great” anymore, hence Genesis 27:29, coincidence??

Osama: So no, your christians are the biggest betrayers to the US. Like the Jews, they have no loyalty. At least the Glorious Quran Commands me to Obey Allah Almighty, the Prophet and the Ruling Authority of the land that I live in.

Can you provide me with some evidence of how my Christians have betrayed the US??

Your Quran commands you to spread mischief in the land you live in and replace it with Sharia Law. This is Betrayal and you're not fooling anyone!

search 4 truth said...

YEah sure Osama!

Thats what racists and bigots do. They spew their vitriol and then when confronted about their true feelings they back track!

You already exposed your inner most feelings when you didnt think there was anything wrong with it. LOL! Your a vile person! And an exposed rapist and bigot!

search 4 truth said...

LOL! I meant racist. But you are complicate in rape by lying to defend the rape that Islam ordains!

Osama Abdallah said...

"3. He refers to minorities as sub human."

RESPONSE:

I didn't say minorities were sub-humans by flooding their neighborhoods with drugs and guns. I said they were conspired against and are treated as sub humans who deserve no class, no opportunity, and no respect by many of the ruling whites.


Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Osama Abdallah said...

"Can you provide me with some evidence of how my Christians have betrayed the US??"

RESPONSE:

You obviously don't know the US, and probably never lived in the US. The leaders of this country (the so-called top 1%) have sold this country and betrayed it in many ways.
And they always use christianity as a cheap tool to justify their garbage and evil and lies, which all behind the curtains goes to serve the Zionist Machine. I also already gave the Texas turd as an example about him launching his "Crusade" war on Iraq and did "the work of the Lord". He, again, thought in his turd brain that he was fulfilling a bible prophecy, which is the "THE FALL OF BABYLON" one. I already explained this above, and how Bablon is nothing but the West, and not Iraq. In fact, what is really the city of Babel today?? It's nothing but a very very small town with some archeology and conservative folks living there. HOW IS BABEL THE "WHORE OF THE WORLD" OR THE "HARLOT" that is mentioned in the Book of Revelation? It's not Iraq, nor the city Babel. It's the pornified West that is the evil Harlot of the world.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Foolster41 said...

Hmm. Interesting I appear to be invisible to Osama!

I noticed you never denied you would betray the US, you just defelctdd to ayy "neo cons" are also traitors. interesting.

You call the west a "harlot", implying the non-western countries (Islamic countries) are better. Yet I've never seen you criticize the lack of freedoms in Islamic countries that deny basic rights to Jews, non-muslims and women.

It seems pretty obvious that you don't value the freedom in the west, but approve of Islamic fascism, and even wish to impose it here. You call your country that you claim patriotism to a "harlot" for allowing freedom, and claim the solution lies in the laws run by horrible genocidal dictators. You aren't here because you love freedom, you are here to destroy it. That makes you a TRAITOR to the United States.

search 4 truth said...

Osama

Your conspiracy theories are not evidence. LOL! They just reveal a paranoid, hate filled fascist bigoted hypocrite who is incapable of self analyzable and criticism.

And you called ALL people from the South TRASH! ALL PEOPLE! Including minorities!

You can spew all of your nonsense in backward hate filled Islamic lands and get away with it. But you have proved NOTHING! You have just made ridiculous assertions! And of course lies and logical fallacies!

search 4 truth said...

Whats really funny. Is your consistent Osama. You think if you just make accusations and just spew nonsense it is evidence! Just like your riiculous blog that even Muslims with integrity reject and criticize! I could pull of numerous responses from Muslims to the lies you spew. You actually do more damage to Islam then you do good. So please keep responding and posting. You are exposing the hate and lunacy a person is to be a Muslim! Your a great example of a Mohamedumb!

goethechosemercy said...

Quote:
Lastly, in Islam we are told to have respect for our slaves.
end

And this makes slavery . . . right?
620,000 Americans died to free 4 million slaves.
I have yet to see even one Muslim lay down his life to rid his culture of slavery and to free slaves.
All I hear is excuses and apologies, very very similar to the rhetoric of Southern planters pre 1865.

John said...

"The leaders of this country (the so-called top 1%) have sold this country and betrayed it in many ways. And they always use christianity as a cheap tool to justify their garbage and evil and lies, which all behind the curtains goes to serve the Zionist Machine."

Adolph, is that you?

Cranky White Woman said...

I could never be a Muslim...the cognitive dissonance I'd experience would be too much to bear. I guess I'm too intelligent to be able to trick/fool myself into believing that a slave-owning- mass-murdering-pedophile-rapist-self-proclaimed-prophet is a mouthpiece for God. Nope, I'm way too logical for that. That's why Jesus Christ is my Lord and Saviour. I pray that Osama will one day throw off the spiritual shackles of the Satanic cult of Islam, and leave that darkness to step into the light of love and forgiveness that Jesus offers. He loves you so very much, Osama, and He wants a relationship with you. Satan hates humanity, and Islam is his "religion."

dstewart said...

search 4 truth

Shhh!!! Don't tell him. You're ruining it for the rest of us! ;)

Samatar Mohamed said...

@Searchfortruth

Please actually adress Deutoronomy 21, as you brushed aside my points on the verse. I'll repost it, and please provide an actual refutation. If you are consistent, you will condemn the passage just like you condemn the hadith. Show me where the sex is consensual in Deutoronomy. Good luck.

" Now, the biblical passage says that the men cannot immediately have sex with their captors, rather, they would have to wait a month before they can engage in such an act. But who is to say that after a month that all of a sudden the women would be dying to have sex with their captors. What difference does one second, minute, or month make searchfortruth. The verse does not explicitly mention (just like the hadiths you point out) as to whether the sex is consensual,therefore it would be safe to assume that using YOUR CRITERIA, God almighty allowed rape in the bible."

Search 4 Truth said...

Samatar

I already addressed this. The Law in the Old Testament have to permit the women to mourn their families, take care of them, and then MARRY THEM!

What dont you understand! The Quran says you can marry them! But you dont have to marry them! If you cant see the difference you are to far gone.

You can have unlimited amount of female sex salves. UNLIMITED! The Bible says to marry them and make them your wife!

The Quran says you can be married and still have as many sex slaves as you want.

The Bible says you can take a wife after a battle and marry her!


The Quran says the female captive can be married, and you can STILL RAPE HER!


I truly think you have psychological problems! Were you raised in this death cult all your life? Because I cannot contemplate how you cannot understand the difference!

THE QURAN, HADITH, AND TAFSIRS SAY YOU CAN RAPE AND COMMIT ADULTERY WITH YOUR FEMALE CAPTIVES!

THE OLD TESTAMENT LAW SAYS YOU MUST MARRY THE WOMAN AND MAKE HER YOUR WIFE!

WHAT DONT YOU UNDERSTAND?

Search 4 Truth said...

Samatar, You are redefining the hadith! They are clear! And they dont say what you try and say they say!

What would the world say if Israel allowed its soldiers to take Palestinian females prisoner and rape with them? There would be a horrible outcry!

Examine the events in Kosovo and Bosnia. Here the same situation occurred. The Muslims were defeated by the Serbs and some Serbs raped Muslims. It is a horrible crime and we all condemn it. But if we examine what Muhammad allowed his soldiers to do we see that their actions are identical. Muhammad's standards were no better and actually worse than Serbs who raped Muslim women. It is worse because Muhammad gave it religious sanction and validity for all Muslim men.

The Japanese did this to the Chinese, Korean and Filipino women during WWII. The Germans did likewise to the Russian women. In a similar way the Muslim soldiers only waited a few weeks to do likewise to their female captives.

Muhammad and his soldiers treated these female slaves just like the Japanese did to their female captives. Much has been written condemning the treatment of black slaves in the West: how much more should a man who claimed to be a prophet of God be condemned for these acts?

Zack_Tiang said...

Samatar, is having consensual sex with a married slave/captive (whose husband is still alive) a righteous/moral act sanctioned by a god that is most just and most righteous?

Samatar Mohamed said...

@Search for truth

You are still dodging the point. My point is that what if she does not want to get married. What if one month of mourning the loss of her relatives at the hands of their captor is not enough. Whose to say that after one month not only will she have forgiven her captor, but is actually willing to marry the person who murdered her relatives. All Deuteronomy says is that the man does not have to marry the women if he does not want to, it does not say anything about the women. Now please answer the question and stop running. If the captive does not want to get married, and she gets forced into marriage along with sex, then that would be rape. But the passage stays silent on this, and because you say that a captive would not want to have sex with her captor, that would indicate that rape has occurred using YOUR STANDARD. Try again.

Samatar Mohamed said...

@Zack Thiang

Please provide me with the narration that agrees with that for I forgot. The one narration (Sunan Abu Dawud, Volume 2, number 2150) does say:

"Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers.

However, as Bassam points out in his article, the words "In the presence of" is actually not found in the arabic text. With regards to having sex with a captive that is already married, Imam Tabari points out that her old marriage is annulled. Therefore, her previous marriage would no longer be valid assuming she consents to having sex with the companion.

Zack_Tiang said...

I am not asking whether a Muslim man can have sex with a married slave...

I'm asking, is having consensual sex with a married slave/captive (whose husbands are still alive) a righteous/moral act sanctioned by a god that is most just and most righteous?

Just for context, this question assumes the man having the consensual sex is currently married.

Search 4 Truth said...

Samatar you are still not getting my point. First off we must establish that the difference is that a Jew 3,000 years ago must marry the female captive before having relations with her. The Jew 3,000 years ago must take care of her and give her time to mourn. The Jew 3,000 years ago must let her GO if it does not work out between them. It doesnt say that they can rape them after a month, like Islam does. It says they CAn marry them!

It doesnt say they cant weait longer, It is a minimum. The Jew 3,000 years ago must wait at least a month before he can marry the female captive if she is willing. Maybe they would wait longer, maybe they wouldnt! But the BARE MINIMUM WAS ONE MONTH before they could get MARRIED!

YOU ARE A MENTAL CASE!

Islam says you can force a MARRIED female captive to have sex with you after one month! And just by viortue of a Muslim man capturing a woman does not mean the woman wants to divorce her husband!

It is ISLAMIC DOCTRINE THAT VIEWS HER MARRIAGE AS ANNULLED! SHE DOESNT!

ISLAM SEES IT AS ANNULLED! THAT IS NOT A DIVORCE. THAT IS A DECREE AND NOT BY THE WOMAN

YOU ARE A SICK DUDE! YOU NEED PSYCHOLOGICAL HELP!

THE WOMAN DOESNT WANT THE DIVORCE. BUT STILL THE MUSLIM MAN CAN BE MARRIED. THEREFORE IT IS STILL ADULTERY!

ISLAM WANTS TO REDEFINE TERMS!

I THOUGHT THAT ISLAM CAME TO AFFIRM WHAT WAS BEFORE IT. ISLAMS SATAN ALLAH WANTS TO MAKE MUSLIMS SIN BY MAKING THEM THINK THEY ARE DOING WHAT IS RIGHT BY ATTEMPTING TO REDEFINE TERMS.

LOOK YOU NUT CASE!

"We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter" (Sahih Muslim 3371)

THE MUSLIM MEN ARE STILL MARRIED, AND THE MALE CAPTIVE HUSBANDS HAVE NO SAY IN THE DIVORCE!


WHERE IS THE AYAT THAT THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN DIVORCE!


YOUR MIND AND SOUL IS TWISTED BY YOUR EVIL SATANIC ALLAH AND FALSE PROPHET!

Search 4 Truth said...

AND IN DEUTERONOMY IT DOES NOT SAY THAT HE HAS TO MARRY HER OR SHE HAS TO MARRY HIM. SHOW ME WHERE IT SAYS THAT HE CAN FORCE HER TO MARRY HIM. IT DOESNT. THE MERE FACT THAT HE HAS TO WAIT AT LEAST A MONTHFOR THEM TO GET MARRIED DOES NIOT MEAN THAT HE CAN FORCE HER. IT'S JUST THAT THEY HAVE TO WAIT AT LEAST A MONTH.

ON THE OTHER HAND ISLAM SAYS YOU CAN RAPE HER AFTER A MONTH AND SHE IS YOUR POSSESSION!

POSSESSION
POSSESSION
POSSESSION


AND I PROVED THAT YOU CAN DO AS YOU PLEASE WITH YOUR POSSESSION. BECAUSE YOU OWN HER!


BECAUSE ISLAM ORDAINS THE RAPE, AND ADULTERY WITH THOSE WHOM YOUR RIGHT HAND POSSESS IN AN UNLIMITED NUMBER!


* تفسير Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
{ إِلاَّ عَلَىٰ أَزْوَاجِهِمْ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُمْ فَإِنَّهُمْ غَيْرُ مَلُومِينَ }

(Save from their wives) up to four wives (or the (slaves) that their right hands possess) without any limit in number, (for then they are not blameworthy) when they engage in that which is lawful,

Tafsir Ibn 'Abbas, trans. Mokrane Guezzou
© 2012 Royal Aal al-Bayt Institute for Islamic Thought, Amman, Jordan (http://www.aalalbayt.org) ® All Rights Reserved


NOW DONT TRY AND SAY I DODGED YOUR QUESTION WHEN I ANSWERED IT ON MULTIPLE LEVELS AND MULTIPLE TIMES! YOUR MIND WONT LET YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE! BECAUSE YOU ARE SUFFERING FROM COGNITIVE DISSONANCE!

Search 4 Truth said...

Here is your problem! You are viewing it as if it were the Quran. The Bible is nothing like the Quran! The Quran comes from either man, or Satan.

In the Deuteronomy verse it says you may make her your wife! It is not to be forced like Islam! Islam is all about force. Now read it and think. But dont think like a Muslim! Because then you will have restrictions.

11 if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife. 12 Bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her nails 13 and put aside the clothes she was wearing when captured. After she has lived in your house and mourned her father and mother for a full month, then you may go to her and be her husband and she shall be your wife.



Quote" you may take her as your wife."

MAY! You can! That doesnt mean you can force her. It says after a month of mourning you MAY take her as your wife! Now read on!

Quote " then you may go to her and be her husband and she shall be your wife."

You MAY take her as your wife. That means if it works out then the two people can get married.


Now if it doesnt work out after a while, what happens? You dont sell her like in Islam! NOPE! You set her free!

Now like Islam where after you have used her up and got tired of her and NEVER married her you can sell her. Nope! They had to set them free!

Now either you can accept the polarity of the issues or you have serious psychological issues and explain why you cling to evil Islam and a child molesting, rapist, serial killing false Prophet like Mohamed!

Zack_Tiang said...

Search 4 Truth,

In Islam, it never states how long the captive must be in the house before the Muslim man can have sex with her.

It just plainly states that they can with whom their right hand possesses. No time constraint.

Search 4 Truth said...

@ Zack to be fair. It does say they have to wait one menstrual cycle to make sure they arent pregnant!

]Then it's Rape TIME!

I am going to at least give them that! I know it doesnt say it in the Qrapcan. But the Tafsir say so!


* تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn
{ وَٱلْمُحْصَنَٰتُ مِنَ ٱلنِّسَآءِ إِلاَّ مَا مَلَكْتَ أَيْمَٰنُكُمْ كِتَٰبَ ٱللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ وَأُحِلَّ لَكُمْ مَّا وَرَاءَ ذَٰلِكُمْ أَن تَبْتَغُواْ بِأَمْوَٰلِكُمْ مُّحْصِنِينَ غَيْرَ مُسَٰفِحِينَ فَمَا ٱسْتَمْتَعْتُمْ بِهِ مِنْهُنَّ فَآتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ فَرِيضَةً وَلاَ جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِيمَا تَرَٰضَيْتُمْ بِهِ مِن بَعْدِ ٱلْفَرِيضَةِ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيماً حَكِيماً }

And, forbidden to you are, wedded women, those with spouses, that you should marry them before they have left their spouses, be they Muslim free women or not; save what your right hands own, of captured [slave] girls, whom you may have sexual intercourse with, even if they should have spouses among the enemy camp, but only after they have been absolved of the possibility of pregnancy [after the completion of one menstrual cycle]; this is what God has prescribed for you

I give this to them because the iddat period is mentioned int he Qrapcan! And then if you read ayat 65:4 it says even those whom have not yet had a menstrual cycle! So Islam permits sex and marriage with infants as well!

Peace!

Search 4 Truth said...

Ok Samatar

Can we agree on a couple of obvious points?

Islam does allow

1. forced sex with female captives
2. forced sex with married female captives
3. forced divorce by proxy of female captives
4. forced sex with female captives by unmarried Muslim men
5. forced sex with female captives by married muslim men
6. a captive is a possession
7. anything that is not consensual is force
8. by virtue of a muslim man capturing a woman does not constitute a consensual divorce
9. just because muslim men see the capture of any woman as an automatic divorce does not mean that she or the captured man want the divorce
10. if they dont want the divorce it is compulsion
11. how much more of your nonsense do you want me to refute?
12. you need to be deprogrammed

Search 4 Truth said...

Zack

also there is a hadith in which it states that a Muslim General was punished for raping a female captive. And one must conclude, if one were to be honest following the Quran, hadith and tafsirs, that the General did not wait the iddat period! Therefore he was punished!

So I am only trying to present Islam as it actually is! There is no reason to fabricate or misrepresent it! It is evil enough on it's own.

So I believe that rape is not permitted in Islam, Unless it is a female non Muslim captive after ascertaining she was not pregnant!

Then its rape time! At least thats what Allah, Mohaed, and all of Islams greatest scholars say!

Now Samatar. he is a delusional indoctrinated nice guy who is incapable of accepting reality! He has been so indoctrinated that he cannot see the differences between marriage and rape of married captives even when the man is married! This is whats wrong with the Islamic world!

Santiaguista said...

osama

first off crime in the eastern europe, south america and africa is caused by widespread poverty not by belief in christ. There is just as much crime in muslims countries so i find your argument rather hypercritical. One of my friends in highschool was a muslim and i found out recently that he is in jail for 10 years for drug dealing. crime is not a product of religion but of man's fallen nature and economic situation. as for rwanda that was the result of the bitter legacy left by belgian colonialism which seperated 2 groups of people who werent originally that different, placing one above the other which caused widespread resentment. I could cite the massacre of 300,000 -400,000 sudanese muslims by their fellow muslims so please stop your hypocrisy

in the future you could actually comment on the article rather than hypocritically ranting and stooping to the level of using adhomenim attacks

Santiaguista said...

Osama first off crime in africa, south america and eastern europe is caused by poverty, corruption, disenfranchisement but not beleif in christ. There is just as much crime in the middle east. I had a muslim friend in high school who i found out last year is in jail for 10 years for drug dealing.

as for rwanda that was not caused by a beleif in christ but rather the bitter legacy of belgian colonialism which seperated 2 groups of people who werent originally and then placed one above the other causing resentment.

I could citesudan where arab muslims massacred 300,000 -400,0000 of their frllow muslims.

as for stealing kidnies thats known to even go on in predominantly muslim countries such as albania.

As for mafia they aslo exist in the middle-east. every assertion you make reveals greater hypocrisy on your part so please stop your wild assertions. Also please dont stoop to the level of petty abuse if you want to post here

Samatar Mohamed said...

@Searchfortruth

I wanted to bring up some of the points that you fail to see when I raise my points.

1. Nowhere in the hadiths does it say that the companions FORCED the women into sex. All it says is that the Companions HAD sex with their captives.

That leaves open two possibilities. First, the companions forced the captives into sex, and second, they had consensual sex, meaning that there was no rape involved.

Because the hadith does not explicitly say whether the captives were forced into sex or not, that leaves us to make assumptions over the limited information we have. Let me bring up the hadith you posted earlier to show what I mean:

"We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter" (Sahih Muslim 3371)

Now what does the hadith say. It says that some companions were absent from their wives and therefore HAD sex with their captives. Again, we are not given any explicit statement of non consensual or forced sex in the hadiths. You are just inferring from the hadith that rape had occured when there was no evidence. Let me use an analogy here. Lets say God forbid (this is only an example, nothing meant here) you were accused of rape and you were standing in trial. The persecutor tells the judge that you had sex with so and so at some time. Lets also assume for the sake of this analogy that the "victim" was not alive to reveal whether she had been raped. After proving you had sex with the "victim", lets say that the jury had seen enough and sentenced you to life in prison. Was that a fair sentence, of course not. What the jury had failed to recognize was that the persecutor had failed to show that you FORCED her into sex. They only showed that you HAD sex with the "victim". But remember the two possibilities that are still left open. There is a possibility that she agreed to have sex with you in which case that would not be rape. That is exactly what you are doing with the hadith. You are failing to show FORCED sex or rape.

Samatar Mohamed said...

2. What Islam teaches about rape

As I pointed out earlier, although this does not prove that rape with captives is not allowed, we see what Islam sees rape as. As evident from the hadith I posted earlier, the man who raped the women was sentenced to death for what he did. This clearly shows that according to Islam, rape is a serious crime right up there with murder. After all, if rape was not looked upon as a major sin, that man surely would not have been sentenced to death by the prophet (pbuh). Again, I know this was not a captive who was raped, but this hadith gives us a general layout of how Islam views rape.

3. Now this point is critical. How does Islam view slaves. As I pointed out many times before, in Islam, slaves ARE NOT to be beaten, overworked, forced into prostitution. And slaves ARE to be fed from what we eat, clothed from what we cloth, and treated them as if they are our brothers. The prophets last words to the muslims was to fear Allah (swt) concerning their slaves. This point is absolutely critical because when we take all that into account, it would be beyond ridiculous to say that someone who had given so many rights to slaves would allow them to be raped. I mean, do you really think the prophet (pbuh) would have said "Hey, you can rape them all you want, but remember not to beat them or overburden them, treat your slaves like your own brother for Allah (swt) is watching you." I call you searchfortruth to be fair when examining the hadiths. I generally do not know if you are intentionally trying to misrepresent the hadith or if you are mistaken but I have shown my case. Now, please do not resort to name calling for I'm not interested in returning or engaging in insults. Lets have a professional discussion as brothers in humanity for this topic is very important, or else I would not have commented on it so many times. Thanks.

Locrian said...

"That leaves open two possibilities. First, the companions forced the captives into sex, and second, they had consensual sex, meaning that there was no rape involved. "

This is so dumb it's not even funny. Doesn't your soul feel bad when you make excuses knowing there's no defense?

Sam, lets kill you. Lets see if your wife is ready to put out for her new man. Let me kill her father to really turn her on. And ya know what....Just as we climax I'll kill her oldest son to really blow her mind.

You complete idiot. How is any captive going to consensually give herself. You say "limited data", but I have all the data I need. I know the Muslims are the conquers. I know they would of killed or jailed the males. I know women in this position do not give themselves freely. What can't you see? You sir are completely evil and deranged. To think a woman would make it through the battle and just fall to your foot. You make me sick.

Talking to you guys is talking straight to Satan.

Search 4 Truth said...

@ Samatar

What I find funny is you wait about a week to respond to my clear rebuttals and exposing of your inabilitty for critical thinking. And I find myself rep[eating the same things over and over again.


I ALREADY PROVIDED THE3 EVIDENCE THAT THE WOMEN ARE YOUR POSSESSION. AND YOU CAn do as you please with her. and she cannot say no to your advances.

and then you keep repeating the same refuted argument over and over ad nausem as if you are Omar in that debate!

Why do I have to repost the evide3nce that I already provided?

I proved to you without a dhadow of a doubt that a woman who is your possesion will be punished if she does not submit.

THAT IS FORCE!

YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO INTEGRITY WHATSOEVER!~

GO BACK AND READ MY POSTINGS WHERE I PROVED 100% THAT MUSLIMS CAN FORCE THEIR FEMALE SLAVES, AND EVEN THEIR WIVES T5O HAVE SEX.


YOU ARE ONE OF THE CRAZIEST PEOPLE I HAVE EVER ENC9OUNTERED IN MY LIFE

HERES WHAT TYOU DO.

1.I PRESENT THE EVIDENCE THAT ISLAM PERMITS FORCED SEX WITH SLAVES AND WIVES.

2. THEN YOU CHANGE THE TOPIC TO DEUTERONOMY.

3. THEN I REFUTE YOUR CLAIMS ABOUT DEUTERONOMY.

4. THEN YOU SAY I DIDNT PROVE THAT IT IS FORCE.

5. AND YOU ACT AS IF I HADENT ALREADY PROVEN THAT IT IS FORCE.

YOU ARE A LIAR!

YOU HAVE NO INTEGRITY

GO READ THE FRICKEN EVIDENCE I PRESENTED IN TOTAL.

YOU ARE REFUTED AND HAVE NO INTEGRITY AT ALL SAMATAR!

I PROVED WITHOUT ANY SHADOW OF A DOUBT THAT ISLAM PERMITS FORCED SEX WITH FEMALE CAPTIVES! READ IT ALL AGAIN, YOU LIAR!

Search 4 Truth said...

AND NO THE EVIDENCE OF THE HADITH EARLIER PROVES WHAT ISLAM THINKS ABOUT RAPING A MULSLIM WOMAN. NOT A FEMALE CAPTIVE. AND THE OTHER HADITH IN WHICH A MUSLIM GENERAL RAPES HIS FEMALE CAPTIVE AND WAS PUNISHED IS BECAUSE HE DID NOT WAIT THE IDDAT PERIOD BEFORE HE RAPED HER.

YOU ARE A LIAR AND A BRAINWASHED ZEALOT!

Search 4 Truth said...

@ Locrain

Have younoticed he is now going back to the original argument that I (we)already refuted?

He deflected to deuteronomy to try and say it was consistent with the old covenaqnt. When that didnt work he then goes back to his first attempt that was already clearly refuted.

Muslims have no integrity. Because they are following the Father of Lies. Satan himself. he doesnt care about truth, facts, oir logic.

He has sold his soul. He only wants to defend Islam regardless of facts. Muslims have to lie, just like Mohamed and their Allah lied.

It's a vicious circle. But rememebr he is a victim. But at this point, there really is no excuse for such blatant lies and hypocrisy on his part. He knows he's a liar, and he knows we know he's a liar. And he has to live with that. Now hopefully there is some shred of integrity lodged in the recesses of his soul somewhere that will show itself. But like I have said before, he may be to far gone already. And he lives a lie and doesnt mind because he thinks God wants him to live a lie for him so he can one day have all of his virgins and boys of perpetual freshness! One ting is for sure, it is sad and scary what Islam does to a person!

Xiao-Fury said...

Oh, but...Muslims are the best of people, right? What a bunch of savages.

qwerty said...

one day osama, samatar and the others may wake up and smell the ocean. they'll be heartbroken and angry to be deceived like I was.

Islam and Christianity

It's like fighting for the 'lesser evil' throne.


-Atheist humanist.

Bambi said...

The Myth:

The Quran places men and women on equal foundation before Allah. Each person is judged according to his or her own deeds. Women have equal rights under Islamic law.

The Truth:

Merely stating that individuals will be judged as such by Allah does not mean that they have equal rights and roles, or that they are judged by the same standards.

There is no ambiguity in the Quran, the life of Muhammad, or Islamic law as to the inferiority of women to men despite the efforts of modern-day apologists to salvage Western-style feminism from scraps and fragments of verses that have historically held no such progressive interpretation.

After military conquests, Muhammad would dole out captured women as war prizes to his men. In at least one case, he advocated that they be raped in front of their husbands. Captured women were made into sex slaves by the very men who killed their husbands and brothers. There are four Quranic verses in which "Allah" makes clear that a Muslim master has full sexual access to his female slaves, yet there is not one that prohibits rape.

The Quran gives Muslim men permission to beat their wives for disobedience, but nowhere does it command love in marriage. It plainly says that husbands are “a degree above” wives. The Hadith says that women are intellectually inferior, and that they comprise the majority of Hell’s occupants.

Under Islamic law, a man may divorce his wife at his choosing. If he does this twice, then wishes to remarry her, she must first have sex with another man. Men are exempt from such degradations.

Muslim women are not free to marry whom they please, as are Muslim men. Their husband may also bring other wives (and slaves) into the marriage bed. And she must be sexually available to him at any time (as a field ready to be “tilled,” according to the holy book of Islam).

Muslim women do not inherit property in equal portion to males. This is somewhat ironic given that Islam owes its existence to the wealth of Muhammad's first wife, which would not otherwise have been inherited by her given that she had two brothers and her first husband had three sons.

A woman's testimony in court is considered to be worth only half that of a man’s, according to the Quran. Unlike a man, she must also cover her head - and often her face.

If a woman wants to prove that she was raped, then there must be four male witnesses to corroborate her account. Otherwise she can be jailed or stoned to death for confessing to “adultery.”

Given all of this, it is quite a stretch to say that men and women have “equality under Islam” based on obscure theological analogies or comparisons. This is an entirely new ploy that is designed for modern tastes and disagrees sharply with the reality of Islamic law and history.