Saturday, March 17, 2012

Who Can Bear Our Burdens?

Here's some essential reading for tonight's topic. Sam Shamoun has written three articles pointing out the problems we'll be addressing.

"Qur'an Contradiction: Who Suffers the Consequence of Sins According to the Qur'an?"

"Does the Quran Really Deny That a Person Can Bear the Sins of Another? – Part 1"

"Does the Quran Really Deny That a Person Can Bear the Sins of Another? – Part 2"

22 comments:

Nakdimon said...

yo David, bro. excellent show yesterday. you and CL got a lot of people thinking. including myself. you absolutely glorified our Lord Yeshua and no doubt he was very pleased how you guys represented him.

thank you for your service.

Kangaroo said...

Broken record? You've already been thoroughly refuted. I guess some1 can call in the show and embarass you ?

http://www.answering-christianity.com/karim/suffer_for_sin.htm

David Wood said...

Kangaroo,

Yes, you do sound like a broken record. You share the common Muslim view of "refutation," where "refutation" means "any response, no matter how silly, ridiculous, erroneous, and illogical, so long as said response is meant to defend Islam."

But this time, you've sunk even lower. Even if we take this article seriously (which any thinking person could never do), it only attempts to respond to one of the points we made, and we made several.

How about responding to our other points? I'll give you an easy one. The Qur'an says no one will bear the burden of another. Muhammad says that Jews and Christians will be punished for the sins of Muslims. Care to reconcile? Oh, let me guess . . . another link to a lame response on a notoriously illogical website?

CristoTeAma said...

Brother David i'm sure that at this point you know it well, but the thing is that Muslims like Kangaroo are the kind of people who wants to stay deceived because they love Religion, not God but Religion, which they associate with culture etc etc. So do not expect a serious or logical answer from him.

BTW great show and awsome job from you guys, God bless you all and your loving ones...

Kangaroo said...

Lol you couldnt accept the truth for your life.

You admit it answers one of the points, basically half of what your show is going to talk about.

Dont worry though. Anything else on that article has already been refuted. Refuted meaning destroying your false argument. All of your shows are lame, Ive sifted through many of these JesusOrMuhammad. Its nothing more than you restating old refuted arguments. This one tonight is another wasteful addition.

David Wood said...

Kangaroo,

Can you read? I said that no thinking person could take this article seriously, and you respond by saying, "You admit it answers one of the points, basically half of what your show is going to talk about."

I can't even begin to make sense of this. So in your language, "No thinking person can take this seriously" is equivalent to "I admit that this article refutes my point"? Your inability to think logically explains quite a lot.

Then you say that this point was half our show. Again, I can't make sense of this. We discussed at great length how the Qur'an doesn't rule out a sinless person dying for sin (which the article doesn't address), and we addressed four ahadith where your prophet says that Christians and Jews will be punished for your sins (which the article doesn't address), and we showed that Muhammad was a sinner according to Islam (which the article doesn't address), and we gave sources, both from Islam and from Christianity, showing that Jesus is the only one who could pay the price for our sins (the article doesn't address this).

Despite all this, you give a link to a pathetic, horribly argued article, and you claim it has refuted half our case?

Are you even being serious? Sometimes I think you're pretending to be a Muslim in order to make Muslims look bad. If this is simply a game for you, please play it somewhere else.

Kangaroo said...

Its your job as a Christian apologist to pretend you know something about Islam and "expose" Islam or whatever great 'false' religion that you feel like attacking. But you do a poor job of it.

You say that the article I posted was horribly flawed. Alright, refute now or during the show if you can. Give it to the "father of all liars" Shamoun to refute it.

Im waiting....

David Wood said...

Ha! Ha!

I asked Kangaroo to respond to a simple point. I asked him to reconcile (1) the Qur'an's claim that no bearer of burden shall bear the burden of another with (2) Muhammad's claim that Jews and Christians will pay the price for the sins of Muslims. He responded with:

"All of your shows are lame, Ive sifted through many of these JesusOrMuhammad. Its nothing more than you restating old refuted arguments. This one tonight is another wasteful addition."

In other words, he can't reconcile the teachings, and he's not even going to try.

And then he has the nerve to demand that I respond to an article from Answering Christianity, the all-time worst Islamic apologetics site. Am I supposed to take the time to respond to an argument for the sake of a Muslim who (a) refuses to answer our arguments, (b) has no concern for truth, (c) resorts to personal attacks when he's refuted, and (d) doesn't seem able to understand the most basic reasoning?

Give it up, Kangaroo. It's obvious you're trying to waste my time, perhaps to keep me from exposing your prophet. Try it somewhere else.

Jabari said...

@David:
You need to block Kangaroo. All he's blabbing is nonsense.

Davidsmountain .^. said...

Thank you David, for taking my call on your show last night. It was an excellent opportunity to talk about the hypocrisy and dualism of Islam. In addition to the valid points you and C.L. made concerning the burden of our sins, you also made clear a few of the many contradictions contained within Islamic doctrine.

As I'm sure you're aware, but many still don't understand about the dualism of Islam, is the "abrogation" of Islamic text, whereby, contradictions between earlier and later versions are considered both "true", as the "perfect word of Allah". You and C.L. rightly point out, not only is it contradictory, but doesn't pass the common sense test.

Perhaps, a future show could more precisely point out the many other dualistic properties, contradictions and contrasts between Islam and Christianity, such as the social politics of "Do unto others" and "Love thy enemy", compared to "Kafirs are surely the enemy of Allah" and "An unbeliever is never a true friend" or "to be treated as an equal" to a Muslim.

May God bless and protect you ALL and forgive us all, the mountains of added burdens inherited from our Muslim brothers . . . LOL

Davidsmountain .^. said...

We "kafirs", are going to have to start charging a "jizyah", for the privilege of accepting our Muslim brothers, mountains of burdens, on top of our own. Talk about a "Cross to bbear"! Whoever coined the term "Allahu Akbar", didn't take into account how GREAT Christians and Jews are at being instrumental in doing something Allah delegates, to his eternal enemies! For God so loved the Muslim world, he gave Muslims Christians and Jews!

mikeyh428 said...

David, you mentioned Sahih Muslim 6665, 6666, and 6668. What was the other hadith you cited to reference the substitution of Jews and Christians for a muslim?

Radical Moderate said...

I should of asked if Muslims have a score sheet? Do they have a list of big sins and small sins?

aaron said...

@kangaroo
most of us here already know that the osama abdullah who owns that site and is the one of the worst researcher in apologetic. If you looked at some older posts here, he said 1corintheans 5:5 said Paul ordered adultery to be put to death when the title of the chapter says Expel the immoral brother. No where did it say kill.

David Wood said...

110 Hadith Qudsi—Allah’s Messenger said: On the Day of Resurrection, my Ummah (nation) will be gathered into three groups. One sort will enter Paradise without rendering an account (of their deeds). Another sort will be reckoned an easy account and admitted into Paradise. Yet another sort will come bearing on their backs heaps of sins like great mountains. Allah will ask the angels though He knows best about them: Who are these people? They will reply: They are humble slaves of yours. He will say: Unload the sins from them and put the same over the Jews and Christians: then let the humble slaves get into Paradise by virtue of My Mercy.

Baron Eddie said...

I listened to your show ...

Thanks to you Mr. Wood and Mr. CL ...

As a Christian from Middle East, I know what Muslims say don't mean anything and all argument are false

Here is why ...

We see Christians fleeing Islamic countries and a lot of them get killed and Western Embassies can verify the numbers and also United Nations ...

No fleeing masses from Islamic countries is a good indication that they want peace ...

Also, when we see Christian started going back to where they came from will affirm that Islam want to be a good neighbor to us ...

Other than that is a lie ...

Islam is a lie ...
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Once we see a stop to

1. fleeing masses out of Islamic countries

2. blowing of worship places

then I may believe Islam if also

1. I see and hear that Christians are started going back to these countries

Other than that is a lie

Hezekiah Ahaz said...

"most of us here already know that the osama abdullah who owns that site and is the one of the worst researcher in apologetic. If you looked at some older posts here, he said 1corintheans 5:5 said Paul ordered adultery to be put to death when the title of the chapter says Expel the immoral brother. No where did it say kill."


This is hilarious Osama is really something else.
I'm pretty sure he got dropped on his head a few times as a child.

D335 said...

this is the "kangaroo" type.

REFUTATION!

here you go, David, all your points refuted :p

seriously ? Kangaroo, have you finished primary school yet? Cause you seem worst than any grade school kids I know.

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to : David
I don't think he read that at all. He thinks that by getting some facts in the net, suddenly your points refuted. Don't worry, we breed Kangaroos' type muslims here.

Check this out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6pJZxzGc_0

Deleting said...

I think kangaroo picked his name well. All he does is sit in his little "pouch" and lets really bad Islamic apologists do all the carrying. All he has to do is post website links.
I wonder if Kim is in there with him.

andy bell said...

David,

Is this particular Jesus or Muhammad vid up yet?

I missed this one.

The other one on honor killings is already posted.

an anxious andy bell.

cheryl_maree said...

Hi David,

I would like to know when the show will be posted?

Thanks, God Bless

David Wood said...

I don't usually post the entire shows. I posted the honor killings program because we have a conference coming up (hope you'll be there!).

I think ABN posts the shows on their YouTube page.