Tuesday, February 28, 2012

NATO Agrees to Put Quran Burners on Trial

The Afghan government has announced that two Muslim delegations have met with NATO officials, and that NATO has "promised to meet Afghan nation’s demand of bringing to justice, through an open trial, those responsible for the incident . . ."

Yes, Americans are going to stand trial for burning Qur'ans that were used to spread messages among terrorists.

In other words, NATO has agreed to enforce Sharia.

We might as well give Karzai our lunch money while we're at it.

Joint Statement by the Delegations Assigned to Probe Bagram Incident

In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate.

Following the insulting and shameful act of burning Quran in Bagram airbase that injured the religious sentiments of the Islamic world and particularly of the Afghan Muslim nation, two delegations comprising of representatives from government, the National Council of Ulemma and the National Assembly were assigned and dispatched to investigate the circumstances and causes that have led to the inhumane incident.

The delegations, while deeply touched by the religious sentiments shown by the Afghan Muslim and Mujahid nation, inform our citizens of the following:

1. In view of the particular security situation in the country, we call on all our Muslim citizens of Afghanistan to exercise self-restraint and extra vigilance in dealing with the issue and avoid resorting to protests and demonstrations that may provide ground for the enemy to take advantage of the situation.

2. After the shameful incident by the US soldiers stationed in Bagram, senior NATO and American officials expressed their deep apologies to the Muslim nation of Afghanistan and assured that such incidents will not happen again.

3. NATO officials promised to meet Afghan nation’s demand of bringing to justice, through an open trial, those responsible for the incident and it was agreed that the perpetrators of the crime be brought to justice as soon as possible.

4. The assigned delegations demand from the government of Afghanistan to take over from the Americans the authority of the Bagram prison so no such incidents can recur and calls on the US government to fully and comprehensively cooperate to this end.

5. The delegations also want from the Afghan government to formally praise those brave Afghan army soldiers and all others who showed feelings against the disrespectful act by preventing more religious books and Quran copies from burning, so that the pure Muslim sentiments of our honored Mujahid nation can remain alive.

73 comments:

teriadams said...

Muslims commit shirk. Worshiping the Quran is idolatry. Pass it on.

Joe Bradley said...

President Obama must turn himself over to Afghanistan to stand trial since he is the Commander In Chief of the Armed Forces and, as such, is responsible for the Military policies that led to the Qu'ran burnings.

D335 said...

when the troops marching home....

Karzai will be, hmm, medium raw ? or burnt ?

Bad bad move Karzai, when you let your boss apologize literally to the people who wants to hang you.

Joe Bradley said...

I just had another thought, perhaps our President won't be the only high ranking Military official standing trial in Afghanistan. Could this be the reason they all seem to be falling all over themselves to apologize.

Osama Abdallah said...

"NATO Agrees to Put Quran Burners on Trial"

Good! And they should deport you to Norway and lock you with your look-alike cousin.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Andish said...

To be fair that is the law of the land. If you do something in a governed land you will be punished by their rules.

We see the same thing in the us. If a Muslim, or anyone, does something in our lands that is illegal they will be punished. It may be legal to circumcise girls in some places in Africa but its not here. If we were to hear about someone circumcising girls in the us we would want them punished regardless of what they do in their own countries.

See where I'm getting at? Whether we like it or not we cant argue against something that every soldier knows is illegal in Afghanistan. That's why we can burn qurans here in the us and NATO wouldn't care.

Radical Moderate said...

WOW Please lets just leave that Godless place. Pick up our toys and leave that sand box.

Quote
"The delegations, while deeply touched by the religious sentiments shown by the Afghan Muslim and Mujahid nation, inform our citizens of the following"

Rioting, murder and mayham is a relegious setiment in Islam. I think that says it all.

They also want those that rioted, burned, and Murdered to be praised>

"The delegations also want from the Afghan government to formally praise those brave Afghan army soldiers and all others who showed feelings against the disrespectful act by preventing more religious books and Quran copies from burning, so that the pure Muslim sentiments of our honored Mujahid nation can remain alive."

Radical Moderate said...

And we have 2 more years of this. How can we honeslty send any one over to this Godless Country after this anouncment. HOw can you look a soldier in the eye after this. This is truley shameful.

Radical Moderate said...

@Osama Abdullah

Could you pleas answer us what was so bad about burning the QUran. Since thats one of the way you are to despose of a Quran.

Nakdimon said...

Amazing. Simply amazing!

simple_truth said...

Andish said...

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"To be fair that is the law of the land. If you do something in a governed land you will be punished by their rules."

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OK, but these are not normal circumstances. These are members of an army who are there to help the very government that is trying to punish them for what has been documented as a mistake. There were no intentions to disrespect Islam or Muslims. There are no grounds to honestly charge these soldiers in context of the situation.

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"We see the same thing in the us. If a Muslim, or anyone, does something in our lands that is illegal they will be punished. It may be legal to circumcise girls in some places in Africa but its not here. If we were to hear about someone circumcising girls in the us we would want them punished regardless of what they do in their own countries."

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You are equating hurting a person with a book. There is no real comparison, IMO. Exactly what is the book going to suffer? It's not like the book was used as a weapon to hurt someone or to cause damage to property or life.

=========== quote =========

"See where I'm getting at? Whether we like it or not we cant argue against something that every soldier knows is illegal in Afghanistan. That's why we can burn qurans here in the us and NATO wouldn't care."

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I would agree with you probably in most cases; but, these circumstances are a military act and not a civilian act. Maybe I could give a bit more credence if we were talking about enemy combatants, but, we are not. For crimes like this, most governments are civilized and merciful enough to realize that such an offense, although punishable, should be handled more leniently since it does not involve intent to harm in any way and was part of a military operation assisting the very government it is being charged by. That is insane, IMO! If one of the military personnel had acted outside of military supervision, just maybe I could see it as OK. The bottom line is that this was a mistake and doesn't require any punishments or trial. It is just stupid to make it an issue especially given the circumstances!

Nakdimon said...

Exactly Rad,

According to Muslim apologists there is nothing wrong with the burning of the Quran by Uthmann since that is supposedly the proper way to dispose of the Quran. Yet, when American Soldiers use that officially condoned way of disposing of an already "desacrated" Quran (since those Muslims wrote their garbage all over the garbage the Quran contains anyway) Muslims all of a sudden say its a shameful act?

What is the difference between the Quran burning of Uthmann and the Quran burning of those soldiers and how is the one appropriate and the other shameful?

simple_truth said...

Let's see what Obama does to defend these two. If he doesn't get involved and get them removed from these charges, then, I hope he gets his arse handed to him in the upcoming election.

I will hope that things get so bad for him that he has to leave office. I know that is wishful thinking.

Jim said...

I wrote my Senators about this. Either this is not true, or they better stop the fiasco somehow.

Bartimaeus said...

Has the ssuper dhimmie no shame? Obama is the most evil and trecherous man that has ever entered the White House. I am a total loss for words. But the greatest danger to the security of the United States Is the the suppr dhimmie Barak Husien Obama.

Canadian said...

Wow! Where in the blue blazes is the America of the brave and free?! As a Canadian I am concerned where America will end up. May I suggest you vote in a real president instead of this dictator you now have? Time to grow some backbones, Americans!

betwixt said...

What is actually in the Afghanistan Constitution that addresses this issue? I'm assuming that the official state religion is Islam, but I'm reluctant to assume that their constitution is fully Shari'a-compliant since we're supposedly trying to help them build a democratic government there. I ask the question, because the case against Nadarkhani in Iran is against Iran's own constitution.

Which existing laws would the trial be based on, if they do push through with it?

Derek Adams said...

Nak the obvious difference is, one is a companion of the prophet, and the third successor and caliphate and disposing of the Quran in order to "save" the Qur'an.

Whilist, American Soliders are infidels who are intentionally insulting the Quran by burning it.

-Dk
www.AnsweringAbraham.com

afrankone said...

The muslim word for slavery is "dhimmitude" and Sharia law ( religious law) application accomplish that goal. Political correctness; an invention of communism to silence the opposition, has become the new allied of the Muslim world with the military as the " useful idiots" Sharia enforcers. I for one intent to screw the koran with drill bit soaked in pig's blood.

Witness said...

NATO should have been disbanded after the cold war; it has served its purpose. Now it is just a collection of weak states that will succumb to a corrupt government that cannot even survive without it support.

I agree with radical moderate- get out of there.

I also agree with Andish too. When you go into someone's country, you observe the law of the land. If people in Afghanistan want Sharia, they can have it. But Sharia should not be part of the West and Muslims that petition for it need to accept that.

Final point- if you kill or injure someone for burning a Qu'ran, you're an idiot. You're almost stupid as someone who thinks eating dates will block poison. Who said the latter?

Sahih Bukari, Hadeeth No. 5396 - Narrated Saud:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "If Somebody takes seven 'Ajwa dates in the morning, neither magic nor poison will hurt him that day."

afrankone said...

The muslim word for slavery is "dhimmitude" and Sharia law ( religious law) application accomplish that goal. Political correctness; an invention of communism to silence the opposition, has become the new allied of the Muslim world with the military as the " useful idiots" Sharia enforcers. I for one intent to screw the koran with drill bit soaked in pig's blood.

Hezekiah Ahaz said...

"In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate."

Ok, then allah shouln't have a problem forgiving those soldiers.


Osama said: "Good! And they should deport you to Norway and lock you with your look-alike cousin."


Yea, Osama and make sure you're on that plane so they can drop you off from where you came.

But I guess America is too good.

Mary said...

Let's write to Congress (www.congress.org):

Dear Representative:

Qur'ans were used in Afghanistan as a means of communications by the enemy combatants. Those ciphers/communiques were intercepted, confiscated, and destroyed so the enemy combatants could never have access to them. But, because Sharia law forbids the burning of Qur'ans, our President is apologizing and promising to follow Sharia law instead of U.S. law. The same tactic is used when enemy combatants hold up in mosques, and are assured of a safe place to hide and from which to shoot at U.S. troops. The same tactic is used when human shields are used and killed, and the responsibility is placed on U.S. troops instead of those who use human shields and the U.S. pays blood money (prescribed by Sharia law) to the families of human shields, accomplices, and jihadists themselves. Our troops were used like this for ten years with their hands tied and the enemy combatants protected by Sharia law. This weakening and killing off of our troops was only used to procure Islamic democracies with Islamic Constitutions enforced by Sharia law. Now, President Obama has sent our troops to Africa to fight against the only opposition force to the genocidal jihad conquering the oil-rich countries of Africa. This outrageous and seditious waste of the lives and health of U.S. troops must stop.

As a member of the United States Congress, I am asking and expecting you to put an end to enforcement of Sharia law by U.S. troops, to redefine the parameters when fighting against Islamic enemy combatants, to place the responsibility for using human shields, mosques, and Qur'ans squarely on the shoulders of those who use them, and to prohibit and forbid U.S. troops from being subjected to Sharia law, officially or unofficially. Let U.S. troops only be used to support the U.S. Constitution, let them only answerable to U.S. law, and only be deployed when the safety of U.S. citizens is in eminent jeopardy. Station U.S. troops at U.S. borders and stop them from being used as pawns in the Muslim Brotherhood's global jihad.

Toothpick said...

Note that the memo said that we'd put "those responsible for the incident" on trial. If we were smart we'd simply assert that this refers to the jihadist prisoners who wrote in their Korans in the first place. Thus it's the jihadists we've promised to put on trail.

Of course, with the current C-in-C we wouldn't dream of doing something so clever and self-interested.

sara said...

Muslim are the most annoying people on this planet, our troops need to come out of that hell on earth, they disrespected there own quran by writing in it and when someone burns it in the trash where it belongs all hell breaks loose, give us a break.

sara said...

Who ever thought a book can be so evil and influential

Telstra Robs said...

Get out of Afghanistan now. We've been there for more than 10 years and have nothing really to show for it.

If this is the kind of reaction that is received from the burning of these books, then certainly the mission of setting up a western style democracy in Afghanistan has been a complete failure.

Radical Moderate said...

Looks like Osama went back to the deep. He does only surface from time to time and make us shout
"There SHE BLOWS" and then sinks back down to the depth of his depravity.

Well if he does surface maybe he can coment on the latest Muslim missionaries from Somalia.

Muslim Missionaries Share Islam via Sex Trafficing

The Muslim defendents will even be given Prayer breaks during their trail.

Osama it looks like you where wrong, it looks like Somalia Muslima's are in fact the easiest to BANG.

Bartimaeus said...

Where is the media on this horrific story? This should be front page news on every news paper amd tje lead story on evry TV station.

MÃGÍ© Øne§ said...

I personally like using slices of bacon as bookmarks before I burn my copy...you get a much hotter burn ;)

TLAM Strike said...

"What is actually in the Afghanistan Constitution that addresses this issue? I'm assuming that the official state religion is Islam, but I'm reluctant to assume that their constitution is fully Shari'a-compliant since we're supposedly trying to help them build a democratic government there. I ask the question, because the case against Nadarkhani in Iran is against Iran's own constitution.

Which existing laws would the trial be based on, if they do push through with it?"

From the Afghan Constitution....

Article Two
Ch. 1, Art. 2

The religion of the state of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan is the sacred religion of Islam.

Article Three
Ch. 1, Art. 3

In Afghanistan, no law can be contrary to the beliefs and provisions of the sacred religion of Islam.

Article One Hundred and forty nine
Ch. 10, Art. 1

The provisions of adherence to the fundamentals of the sacred religion of Islam and the regime of the Islamic Republic cannot be amended.

Michael Schueckler said...

Nakdimon said...
------Quote------
What is the difference between the Quran burning of Uthmann and the Quran burning of those soldiers and how is the one appropriate and the other shameful?

February 28, 2012 6:13 PM
------Reply-------
The difference is that Muslims can use it for their propaganda.

Osama Abdallah said...

"@Osama Abdullah

Could you pleas answer us what was so bad about burning the QUran. Since thats one of the way you are to despose of a Quran."

RESPONSE:

It's one thing to recycle, destroy or burn any sacred text properly and without evil intentions. It's another to be christian assh***, especiallY WHEN IN UNIFORM, and mean insult.


Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Osama Abdallah said...

Do you think I can't take your bible and turn it into toilet paper and publish this on youtube? Believe me, it would be the closest to appropriate -- while it is still far from appropriate, -- to do so, especially with the pornographic parts of it! But why should I be an assh*** and do it? What will it gain?

THERE IS NO FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION OR SPEECH under uniform. When you're in uniform, you represent the USA. Keep your christian garbage in the toilet where it belongs.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Erik said...

"To be fair that is the law of the land."

U.S. military forces are not subject to "the law of the land." They are subject only to the UCMJ. Go look it up.

This is why our forces left Iraq. The Iraqi government wanted to make our troops subject to their law. Bye.

The Conservative NY Mother said...

Regards to Andish and his comment the "rule of the land".... So you tell me the muslims over hear respect our laws?? Please what about that man who was choked by any angry muslim pretending to be Mohommed on Halloween? What about the honor killings that have gone on here... What a load of rubbish.

dstewart said...

Mr. Osama:

Are you saying that it's OK for violent muslims to first profane the Qur'an by writing messages with (obviously) evil intent all over them and then point to the Christian "a**h***s" for burning them only with the intention of destroying those messages? We definitely WOULD expect the Bibles to be burned if they used THEM. Do you think maybe that there's a reason why they didn't scribble all over and profane the BIBLE?!? Because they KNEW they would be burned without a fuss, but they could create anti-US sentiment by profaning their own holy book instead. Do you really think that using the Bible as toilet paper is really in proper proportion? Personally, I think you're falling right into their nonsense and what you're saying is insane... unless you really support them deep down, then what you're saying is evil (Not much better).

All you're doing is proving to me how hypocritical some muslims are when it comes to this stuff.

ixthus said...

"Why don't some people burn books?"

#1 it doesn't do any good

#2 its a weak argument

#3 they like to study what others believe so they can converse with them

#4 they have better things to do

"Why do some people burn books?"

#1 When prisoners are conspiring by scratching notes to each other in them, and white out is scarce.

#2 When the book promotes violence against those who burn the book..oh wait..

#3 They want attention or have a death wish (see #2 under "Why do some people burn books?")

#4 When your cold and you need scratch paper (see #1 under "Why do some people burn books?")

One more thought..how much trouble would South Park get in for making a cartoon of Muhammad burning a Quran?

Michael Schueckler said...

Icthus said...
----quote----
One more thought..how much trouble would South Park get in for making a cartoon of Muhammad burning a Quran?
----response----
Comedy Central will never let that happen. We already know what happened about the bear.

Osama Abdallah said...

"Mr. Osama:

Are you saying that it's OK for violent muslims to first profane the Qur'an by writing messages with (obviously) evil intent all over them and then point to the Christian "a**h***s" for burning them only with the intention of destroying those messages?"

RESPONSE:

Of course they'll say nonesense like this to justify their act. I doubt their account to tell you the Truth. But if it were true, which it's doubtful, then their action is justified.
But I am seeing this "burn the Quran" crap being on the rise these days, and by bigots. Muslims have not responded with this for two reasons:

1- The Bible does contain the Holy Name of GOD Almighty in it, such as Yahweh, GOD.

2- The Bible contains Truth, or close to the Truth, accounts in it, ESPECIALLY the verses that have "The LORD Says...." I actually made it clear on my site that these verses are at the least equal to our Hadiths. They're not equal to the Quran, because they're not original, but to me and to MANY MUSLIMS, they're close to the Hadiths in sacredness, because the Hadiths too aren't original writings of Prophet Muhammad. They're narrations on his mouth. And these Biblical verses are the same (on the mouth of the Prophets and GOD Almighty).

Any redneck bigot could post the Quran and shoot it or piss on it on Youtube, as I myself have seen some of those videos. The Muslims can do worse to the Bible, but they've shown that they truely Honor GOD Almighty, even with books that are mixed with falsehood.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Michael Schueckler said...

Osama Abdallah said...
----quote----
It's another to be christian assh***
----response----
Osama, you have no respect for Allah's prophet, Christ (GTGITH), when you associate that word with his name.

Michael Schueckler said...

Osama Abdallah said...
----quote----
Do you think I can't take your bible and turn it into toilet paper and publish this on youtube?
----response----
How can you even suggest such a thing? You truly are not a man who respects the word's of Allah whose prophet Muhammad tells you that the Bible is uncorrupted text.
----quote----
THERE IS NO FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION OR SPEECH under uniform. When you're in uniform, you represent the USA.
----response----
You have more concern over soldiers who are trying to properly dispose of your holy texts than you are of criminals and thugs who desecrate it with notes and by hiding things in them.

You demonstrate such a double-standard.
----quote----
Keep your christian garbage in the toilet where it belongs.
----response----
Again, you have no problem associating Christ's (GTGITH) name with such derision.

cornholio said...

If our corrupt, amoral government tries to charge me w/crimes against Islam they'll have to disarm me first, because I won't be going peacefully.

D. Collaric said...

at
“osama"

NOT ONCE did you bemoan the loss of HUMAN life. To you “books” defaced by your FELLOW Muslims are much more valuable and in need of protection than human beings. Ah I forgot UNBELIEVERS are NOT HUMANS in the yes of your “stoned-gawd” allah and therefore not in your EYES. Is this the result when one becomes a Muslim, that others who do NOT share your religion are NOT HUMANS any longer?

You do know that the "stoned-gawd" allah claims that he revealed the Torah, Songs, Psalms and laws of the old Testament? So when you insult the GOD of the Old and NEW Testaments then according to your “stoned-gawd” allah YOU insult YOUR OWN gawd.
You become a DISBELIEFER yourself.

Osama Abdallah said...

To further prove that the NATO's account extremely doubtful, I invite you to analyze the following simple points:

1- If the Qurans that they burnt had encrypted writings or secrete codes that the so-called "terrorists" used, then where do you think those Qurans belong to:

(a)- To the dumpster?

(b)- Be handed over to the CIA or any similar intelligence agency to investigate?


The account is simply false. It was an act of hate done by bigotted rednecks in uniform. I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU DO IN YOUR PRIVATE LIFE! But when you're in uniform, then you represent the USA and yes you'd be held accountable! So yes, they should be put on trial even if they committed any act of hate towards any other minority group. This is the kind of crap that Blacks in America used to suffer from in the 70s and before. And they were not even Muslims.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

D. Collaric said...

@ osama (who seems to value DEAD material more than human life):

your words:
 It's another to be christian assh***, especiallY WHEN IN UNIFORM, and mean insult.
Quote End\]

Do you happen to KNOW the intentions of these people who burned the quooraaan? Are you AND ALL those Muslims going mad about it now mind-readers being able to go back in time and to “grasp” what people thought at a given moment in time?

How do you know they were REALLY Christians? I mean people who take their faith serious and NOT some dudes who happen to be born in the US?

But when your quooran calls me the “vilest of creatures” this is not meant as a insult? When Muslims with their most sincerity tell British citizens to GO TO HELL, just because they are not Muslims, this is not a insult? Especially since there absolutely no evidence that MuuuHAMmels allah is not a figment of his imagination?


osama's words:
Keep your christian garbage in the toilet where it belongs.
Quote End\]

Yeah Christian’s who want to live according to the NT portion of the Bible should forget all this “forgive” your enemy sayings of “prophet Isa” (Jesus). After all they CANNOT be the TRUE message of the “stoned-gawd” allah. Indeed NOTHING OF THIS NATURE can be found in the new and improved kauderwelsch/rantings of stoned-gawd allah... This forgive and love business must be the evil distortions and falsehoods of the early Christians, instead the text should read, “strike off their fingertips, behead those who insult the messenger and profeeet”

Instead of loving and forgiving the enemies (in most cases “MUSLIMS” they should take up arms and start killing. People like you would be the FIRST ones reminding them: “but did not Jesus teach forgiveness and love? As for Islam being Peace, yeah when Sunnies and Shietes get together and allow the Roman Catholic Church to build a big Church in Mecca or Yattrib, then maybe then I can believe this lie.

Nakdimon said...

Osama: “It's one thing to recycle, destroy or burn any sacred text properly and without evil intentions. It's another to be christian assh***, especiallY WHEN IN UNIFORM, and mean insult.”

Oh so its ok to be Muslim assh*** and write all over the Quran? Also, how do you know that those people were Christians? Just because they wear the uniform of the United States army? In case you didn’t notice, America is becoming more and more secularized, and this also goes for the army. To claim that someone is a Muslim, just because he is an Arab isn’t accurate, is it Osama? Then why do you insist that every American is a Christian?

Osama: “Of course they'll say nonesense like this to justify their act. I doubt their account to tell you the Truth. But if it were true, which it's doubtful, then their action is justified. But I am seeing this "burn the Quran" crap being on the rise these days, and by bigots.”

Osama, upon what basis do you think that what they say is not true? The Qurans were written on by your fellow Muslims an they destroyed those Qurans.

dstewart said...

My final response to Mr. Osama:

I saw that too (ONE video that didn't even have that many hits). It takes only one idiot to do that out of a couple billion, and we all know he's an idiot. My problem is how you just transfer that onto everyone else. I know a few people on here commented on doing weird things to the Qur'an, but I don't think it's really their intention. I think they're just expressing their frustration at the idiocy of going "death to America" and killing people who had nothing to do with the incident and suggesting we enable murderous actions because people are offended by something we had no control over. (Correct me if I'm wrong everyone else.)

Qur'an burning thing on the rise? What do you expect when you see what do in the name of Islam, and then Muslims like Osama act like they're more interested in attacking Christians who criticize it than they are about making peace?

And plus, you just plain sound paranoid to me... and nuts... Muslims have definitely defaced and burned Bibles. I should think they don't REACT by doing this because it's pretty regular for them already it seems. Not every Muslim thinks there is truth in the Bible. They have no problem tearing it to shreds or using it as toilet paper (except it's kind of rough).

Three last question for Mr. Osama: Do you think it's fair to burn the book of Mormon? And is "death to America" really a proportional response to a few idiots burning the Qur'an? Now, as a Muslim,

Most importantly,

I don't think you believe in the image of God being born by all human beings as a Muslim. But we DO. Therefore, is the fact that Muslims deface and profane the image of god (worse than a**h***s, but murderers too) in the name of Allah, justification for me transferring that onto you? I guess we don't go on a killing spree against bearers of God's image. I suppose that means WE respect God more than YOU!

Hezekiah Ahaz said...

One thing that's interesting is that Muslims leave their country because of oppression and then turn around and oppress the country they come to.

Islam is it's own worst enemy.

Freedom and Islam: Incompatible

I really like Saras comment Muslims are seriously annoying.

It's ok Islam is like that kid that everybody feels bad for but eventually people end up hating because they realize how annoying he is.

Samatar Mohamed said...

@Hezekiah

"I really like Saras comment Muslims are seriously annoying.

It's ok Islam is like that kid that everybody feels bad for but eventually people end up hating because they realize how annoying he is."

Again with the stereotype and prejudice. Billy just a few days ago you pretty much said that Muslims were retarded for a lack of a better word. There are Muslims who are smart, kind, as well as not intelligent and annoying. But to just say that Muslims are annoying is the equivalence of someone saying Christians are annoying. There are christians who are annoying, but christians who are incredibly kind, and fun to be around. A question for you though, what does being annoying have to do with the religion you are affiliated with? Thanks, and I hope you do try to be honest, as you are a christian and honesty is very important in your religion.

cornholio said...

@Osama Abdullah

The law of the land in Nazi Germany was to round up Jews and murder them in concentration camps. The law of the land in Turkey in the early 20th century was to round up Christians and murder them (upwards of 2.5 million Assyrian and Armenian Christians were slaughtered by your fellow muslonazi vermin in Turkey).

cornholio said...

@Samatar Mohamed

Which of your muslo-nazi states DON'T persecute people of other faiths again?

Osama Abdallah said...

"Which of your muslo-nazi states DON'T persecute people of other faiths again?"

RESPONSE:

Name me one Muslim country, aside from Sudan and its civil war against the Christians who splitted into another country, that persecutes minorities because of their faiths?
Where does it say that in the country's constitution or law?

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Foolster41 said...

"Name me one Muslim country, aside from Sudan and its civil war against the Christians who splitted into another country, that persecutes minorities because of their faiths? Where does it say that in the country's constitution or law?"

Really? REALLY? I don't believe this question is out of ignorance, you should know better, and you've been extremely dishonest in the past. Honestly, this breaks my heart.

But which countries? Hmm. Certainly not Malasia, or Egypt (Christians run over by tanks, churches burned, women kidnapped or Iran (man sentenced for apostasy) or Iraq or Afganastan or... I think you get the idea. How about ALL OF THEM?

(Source: All of Jihadwatch.org)

The Malaysian constitution has seperate rights for mulsims and non-muslims (which is inantely unfair). The palastinian (HAMAS) charter calls for the extermination of Jews.

And now Osama will start with lying, tu quo que, and paranoia (it's the Jews that do it to make the muslims look bad!)

Foolster41 said...

Oh, and Osama, the bible cannot be corrupted form the time of Mohammad since we have copies from BEFORE Mohammad was BORN! Are Christians/Jews Magic time travelers now too?

D. Collaric said...

"osama" where in the whole of Saudia Arabia is there ONE LOUSY church?

Boko Haram in Nigeria is not known for the peaceful "Kumbaya", Budhhist teachers in Thailand are being murdered for the simple reason, that Muslims do not want to "expose" their children in the schools to the "pagan" ideas. I could go on and on.

* Foreign

2011-09-07 13:30

YALA, September 7, 2011 (AFP) - A teacher was shot dead and his body set on fire by suspected militants in Thailand's insurgency-ridden deep south, police said Wednesday.

The 37-year-old Buddhist was shot three times in Raman district of Yala Province on Tuesday afternoon while riding his motorcycle to a special class on what was an Islamic religious holiday, they said.

He was the 146th teacher killed since shadowy insurgents launched an uprising in Thailand's southernmost region in early 2004, leaving more than 4,700 people, both Muslims and Buddhists dead.

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But the worst is to me the MUSLIM-KILLING-MUSLIMS.
And they can do so simply by declaring the others NOT to be Muslims, but infidels, and they can be killed.


But you do not answer the points raised, why Muslims go mad because the quooraan was burned as it was supposed to be?

Are to you HUMANS less valuable then some BOOKS?

The song of songs is usually associated with “Solomon” and some regard it to be “pornographic” material and it should not be in the Bible.

4: 163 We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms.

so if Solomon received "inspiration" by your stoned-gawd allah.... should you not be a bit more careful in slandering your gawd, after all blasphemy can only be committed by the one who believes in the “deity”.

:-)

dstewart said...

Hey, Collaric,

He asked for Muslim countries that persecute minorities, not for a few murderers killing teachers in a country that's 95% Buddhist. Islam is only most of the minority in Thailand.

That challenge is so absurd, you don't need to dilute the point by giving such examples.

Hezekiah Ahaz said...

Samatar said: "Again with the stereotype and prejudice. Billy just a few days ago you pretty much said that Muslims were retarded for a lack of a better word. There are Muslims who are smart, kind, as well as not intelligent and annoying. But to just say that Muslims are annoying is the equivalence of someone saying Christians are annoying. There are christians who are annoying, but christians who are incredibly kind, and fun to be around. A question for you though, what does being annoying have to do with the religion you are affiliated with? Thanks, and I hope you do try to be honest, as you are a christian and honesty is very important in your religion.



So, where are these "smart, kind, as well as not intelligent and annoying" Muslims and why aren't they decrying the "radical muslims"?


There are plenty of annoying Christians. However, you don't have to hear about them in the news every day.

D. Collaric said...

Sorry dstewart, it was not my intention to “deflate" the point.
I saw in the “challenge” nothing more than a “smoke-screen” trying to detract from the points this Muslim will not reply. Boko Haram Muslims are sooo brave they kill a 79 year old woman. In Pakistan we have Muslims who demand the killer of the one Christian politician to be released and given a hero status. Of course if one REALLY takes the time and studies the statutes of these islamic countries than most likely one could also FIND these restrictions against NON-Muslims, osama seems to deny...

D. Collaric said...

Quote from:

February 28, 2012 4:11 PM
Good! And they should deport you to Norway and lock you with your look-alike cousin.

Osama Abdallah
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A very revealing statement here that seems to be gone unnoticed. Or are the regular readers here so “used” to these kind of comments by him? Just wonder if the shoe would be on a Muslims foot? Imprison Muslims just because they are Muslims?

What this Muslims advocating is imprisonment of people simply because they DO NOT share his view-point. Of course this can be traced all the way back to the lice-ridden profeet MuHAMmel who DISLIKED critic of his plagiarized “religion”.

Samatar Mohamed said...

@Hezekiah

"So, where are these "smart, kind, as well as not intelligent and annoying" Muslims and why aren't they decrying the "radical muslims"?"

Are you actually serious Hezekiah. Your hate for muslims has gone soo deep, that you are challenging me to show you one out of 1.6 billion muslims that are smart, kind, and not annoying/ intelligent. I guess we might as well throw rationality out of the window. See, I don't usually throw the word islamophobia around, as most people in this blog are not islamophobes, as they will say there are muslims who fit my description. But you my friend are an Islamophobe of the highest order.

Hezekiah Ahaz said...

Samatar,

Are Muslims the greatest people in the world?

Hezekiah Ahaz said...

Samatar you're not a Muslim.

Samatar Mohamed said...

@Hezekiah

"Samatar you're not a Muslim."

LOL, Hezekiah, you never cease to amuse me. Please elaborate what you mean exactly by me not being a muslim.

Foolster41 said...

Osama: you never did apollogize for your misrepresentation of 1 Chron 5:5, mischaracterizing "give over to Satan" as to kill in order to equate it with the Quran's commands to kill the non-believer. Not that I'm holding my breath.

Hezekiah Ahaz said...

Samatar,

Read your book sometime it will surprise you.

By the way I posed a challenge to one by the name of "1mm" evidently he fled for the montains but here I'll give you a different version.

I'm willing to convert to Islam but first you have to prove to me that there is a magic elf hiding in outer space.

Osama Abdallah said...

'But which countries? Hmm. Certainly not Malasia, or Egypt (Christians run over by tanks, churches burned, women kidnapped or Iran (man sentenced for apostasy) or Iraq or Afganastan or... I think you get the idea. How about ALL OF THEM?"

RESPONSE:

1- In Malaysia, the Timur region, which was mostly Christians,
decided to split into their own country. Similar to the US civil war between the North and the South, and similar to Canada's previous problem with Quebec, and similar to Sudan's problem, the split caused for a civil war to occur. Australia and the West have played a role in the Timur conspiracy by fueling it. Regardless of who's side you're on, it was a civil war, and not a religious persecution.

2- Egypt, you're either completely ignorant or your a liar. Either way, you're wrong. Tanks rolled over the people in general. Most of them were Muslims. In fact, Christians in Egypt didn't want Mubarak to go because they didn't want a strict Islamic rule to come. All Egyptians were persecuted in Egypt under Mubarak. Now, I grant you there was few fights here and there between Muslims and Christians as law and order went down in teh country, but that died down quickly.

3- Iran, the man left Islam. Many Muslims believe that apostates are to be put to death. Many Muslims also believe otherwise. I've written an article about this years ago at: www.answering-christianity.com/apostates.htm. But be as it may, this is not religious persecution. If you want to leave Islam in Iran, then leave Iran. It's funny how you mentioned Iran, when the largest population of the Jews in the Muslim world is in Iran. I just read it on CNN the other day.

4- Iraq and Afghanistan, this is due to the 9/11 lie that was done by your lords and masters, the Zionists. You're no more than a tool in their hands, and a mat under their feet. With your blood and your children's blood you defend their evil! They even piss on the Christians' blood in WWII by brigning random images of Christians who were slaughtered by the Nazis and claim they were Jews. A miserable lie is what you live in.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

dstewart said...

"But be as it may, this is not religious persecution. If you want to leave Islam in Iran, then leave Iran."

OK, Osama's just not worth reading anymore...

Foolster41 said...

1.Yes, yes. It must be the civil war and not persecution. Nevermind the seperate laws for muslim and kuffir. Nevermind the laws that bar converting from Islam. Nevermind the church raids and villification. When did this revoltion happen? I can't find anything about it in a google search. I suspect the laws and persecution were happening before, and that is why they revolted (of course, you leave out that little detail).

2."Egypt, you're either completely ignorant or your a liar. "
Hypocrite. Please cite sources to show they were "mostly muslim", as you claim.
Here is proof to the contrary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXqrPpfbmKc
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/10/rare-video-of-egyptian-tank-mowing-down-christian-civilians.html
Try googling "who were run over by tanks in Egypt?"
Are you going to apollogize for this mistake/lie?

3.So, it's not persecution if you wave your magic wand and call it not persecution? You are being COMPLETELY DISHONEST. What do you call a threat of death for leaving ones religion? What if they can't leave Iran? And the thing about Jews is a non sequitor. Just because Jews aren't being prersecuted doesn't mean aother religions arn't.

4....Aaaand now for the crazy anti-semetism. I'm not going to even answering this.

These four points are hardly even the tip of the iceberg. I've given you informaiton to learn for yourself. If you choose to refuse, that's your choice.

Inkster JIm said...

Love that "in the name of Allah, the most mercifull, the most compassionate" at the beginning of a memorandum to punish someone. How is it that these guys can't see what a joke they are?

D. Collaric said...

osama this time I make it simple:

If burning the quooraan is the proper way to dispose it, why the anger?
Where you there at the time of the burning to know that it was meant as a insult?

Do you as Muslim who wants to lead people into the “BEST" society advocate the jailing of people simply because they do not share your viewpoints? We had one such society on earth and by golly it turned out to be a very bad one for believers...

Do you value dead material used also to print newspapers so much HIGHER then humans that you do not condemn the killing of one person. Personally I’d like apply verse 5:32 to those Muslims.

Some of the points you “answer” by saying you’ve written something on your website. In the case of the apostate from Islam, a very short “no I do NOT advocate the killing” would be sufficient.

Qur'an 4:89"They wish that you would reject Faith, as they have, and thus be on the same footing: Do not be friends with them until they leave their homes in Allah's Cause. But if they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them."

So if you do not advocate the killing of the apostates then you made up your own version of the quooraan, disregarding stoned-gawd allas “advice".

D. Collaric said...

osama

In your view has Israel the right to exist as a “state” because this is what “Zionism” means to me: a Jewish statehood? Do you long for the day when “Israel” is wiped from the map?
I know several Muslims who come from Turkey and they hold very strong opinion on that, and yes they plainly say that Jews should not be allowed to have their own state, but should be ruled by Muslims. Of course Turks have several Problems with Israel, for one, it was once part of their empire which was “sized down” after WWI simply because the Ottoman Empire was on the side of the losers. These Muslims have no problem with the fact that some smaller Islamic states was carved out of the Ottoman Empire, Jordan being one of them, (even though it was to be for the Jews) but the TINY Israel has no right to exist, and the fact that Muslims could not wipe it off the map really angers these guys.

Even if “some” Jews might misrepresent what happened during the Nazi 3 Reich,. there is no denying that about 6 millions Jews were killed, this is a historic fact that can not be denied, unless of course one is a Nazi or a Muslim. You are not the first Muslim who seems to deny the extend of the holocaust.

TLAM Strike said...

From Stars and Stripes:

"A military investigation into the burning of the Qurans at Bagram could conclude as early as this weekend. Crocker and Allen have said the soldiers involved may face punishment under the Uniform Code of Military Justice but will not be turned over to the Afghan courts as requested by Karzai."

So UCMJ and not some Afghan Kangaroo Court.

http://www.stripes.com/news/ambassador-u-s-will-not-accelerate-removal-of-troops-from-afghanistan-1.170462