Monday, December 5, 2011

Jessica Mokdad Human Rights Conference in Dearborn, Michigan

Laying the differences between Muslims and non-Muslims aside, there is no question that major human rights violations are accepted in many Muslim communities (e.g., more than ninety percent of honor killings are committed by Muslims). I'm hoping that concerned Muslims will join concerned non-Muslims in drawing attention to the problems, so that we may confront it together.


NEW YORK, PR Newswire: The prominent human rights organization American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI), its Stop Islamization of America (SIOA) program and the Virginia Anti-Shariah Task Force (VAST) will be hosting the first-ever human rights conference dedicated to exposing the plight of women under Islamic law in Dearborn, Michigan on the anniversary of the honor murder of Jessica Mokdad: the Jessica Mokdad Human Rights Conference.

The Jessica Mokdad Human Rights Conference will be held at the Hyatt Hotel in Dearborn. After bowing to Islamic supremacist pressure and canceling a speech by Pamela Geller that had been scheduled for a Hyatt in Nashville, Tennessee, the Hyatt reversed its stance, recovered its understanding of the American principle of free speech, apologized and offered AFDI space in a Hyatt for a future Conference to make it up the human rights organization. Geller chose the Hyatt in Dearborn to stand in solidarity there with girls who are in danger of being victimized like Jessica Mokdad.

Jessica Mokdad was a 20-year-old Muslim woman in Warren, Michigan, who was brutally murdered in May 2011. Fox News Detroit reported: “Authorities say a Minnesota man killed his 20-year-old stepdaughter in Michigan because she left home and wasn't following Islam.” Jessica’s stepfather, a devout Muslim, tracked his stepdaughter over four states to murder her for bringing dishonor on her family.

AFDI Executive Director Pamela Geller said in a statement: “We’ve named the Conference after her as part of our ongoing campaign to raise awareness and bring a stop to the phenomenon of Islamic honor killing. These girls have rights, too, they’re human beings, and yet they’re completely forgotten in our politically correct culture, in which speech that is offensive to Islam is increasingly forbidden. We’re standing for the human rights of girls like Jessica Mokdad.”

Geller added: “AFDI tried to place ads on Detroit-area buses offering help to people wishing to leave Islam and threatened by their families. Detroit SMART Transit refused the ads, and we sued on free speech grounds. We won, and the ads were scheduled to run, but Detroit SMART still refused to run them – and the same week they were supposed to run, Jessica Mokdad was murdered. Perhaps if she had seen one of our ads, she would be alive today. This underscores the cowardice of Detroit-area officials and the need for this Conference in Dearborn. We welcome women seeking help and resources to escape dangerous and misogynist households.”

The confirmed list of speakers includes ex-Muslim human rights activist Nonie Darwish; Sudanese ex-slave and freedom fighter Simon Deng; and James Lafferty of the Virginia Anti-Sharia Taskforce (VAST), co-host of the Conference. Also speaking will be David Wood of Acts 17 Apologetics, a Christian group that is suing the city of Dearborn for covering up Islamic honor killings performed in the area – that cover-up, and the resulting suit, will also be a focus of the Jessica Mokdad Human Rights Conference.

Hosting the Conference and also speaking are Pamela Geller, publisher of the acclaimed AtlasShrugs.com blog, executive director of AFDI and SIOA, and author of Stop the Islamization of America: A Practical Guide to the Resistance (WND Books); and AFDI/SIOA associate director Robert Spencer, the bestselling author and director of Jihad Watch.

Stop the Islamization of America is a groundbreaking new book offering the fruit of a veteran national activist’s years of experience fighting back against Islamic supremacist efforts to erode our freedoms. In it, Geller offers the fruit of her experience as the national leader of the fight against the Ground Zero mega-mosque and of numerous other initiatives to defend freedom against the encroachment of Islamic law. She offers practical, tested, effective guidance on how freedom lovers can stop jihadist initiatives in local communities.

AFDI/SIOA is one of America’s foremost organizations defending human rights, religious liberty, and the freedom of speech against Islamic supremacist intimidation and attempts to bring elements of Sharia to the United States.

Join the SIOA Facebook group here.

For more information, contact Pamela Geller at writeatlas@aol.com.

Go here to register: HumanRightsConference.com.

CLARIFICATION: Just about everyone who visits this blog knows that Acts 17 is suing the City of Dearborn for violating our Constitutional rights, so you may be confused that the above press release says that we are suing the city for covering up honor killings. Here's the connection. One of the police officers in the city jail told us about the honor crimes that are committed (and covered up) in Dearborn, and this is part of our case against the city (probably the most important part, as far as I'm concerned). We'll learn more during the "discovery" process.

42 comments:

gspencer said...

You guys are boss. Love the idea of taking it directly to Bael as a unified front. I realized that Answering Muslims has been doing that on its own, but having others participate adds an ooomph.

Exposure to sunlight is what Islam and its adherents detest. They know that the tenets of Islam canNOT stand up to the scrutiny of either common sense or political correctness.

Please continue this pressure

Osama Abdallah said...

Gspencer,

Right. Team up with those who spit and Christ and deny the virgin birth. What a great team of goof and ball!

Islam is the Light. It does not and never did detest the Light. You'll never accept Islam, because whoredom is the way of life that you only know. Keep it all for yourself buddy!

By the way, are you a Jew or Christian? Or is it none of my business? :)

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity

Foolster41 said...

"Right. Team up with those who spit and Christ and deny the virgin birth. What a great team of goof and ball!"
What the heck are you smoking? When did anyone here do that?

Deleting said...

Osama said "Islam is the Light. It does not and never did detest the Light. You'll never accept Islam, because whoredom is the way of life that you only know."

This coming from the guy who talked about how easy latina girls were AND thinks heaven is a whorehouse of large breasted, lovely dark eyed virgins.

Dmitry said...

Dear Professor Wood,

sorry to bother again but since you havnt answered my post in the "sun set in a muddy spring" section I thaught that maybe you dont look up this section anymore and decided to try my luck again on this section:

"can you say something against the argument that the Hadith you cited as proof is concidered weak?

Also another question if I may:

While traditional Sharia seem to clacifie rape as "zina" there is a sunnan abu dawud hadith that seems to contradict it: Book 38, Number 4366

http://muslim-responses.com/Biblical_God_Orders_Rape/Biblical_God_Orders_Rape_

Seems in this case no 4 witneses were required.
Bassam argues that this hadith is strong, can you say something about it since you never talked about this hadith.

sorry for my bad English and thank you in advance."

David Wood said...

Dmitry,

The Hadith I quoted is classified as "Sahih" (which is even higher than the Hadith you cite from Bassam). No serious Muslim is going to reject it.

As for the rape issue, Islam requires (a) four witnesses, or (b) a confession. In Bassam's Hadith, the man confesses, which is why four witnesses weren't required. Usually, rapists don't confess, and they go free in Islam.

Search 4 Truth said...

Islam is the Light. It does not and never did detest the Light. You'll never accept Islam, because whoredom is the way of life that you only know. Keep it all for yourself buddy!

How is Islam the light?

I can say anything. Like there are pink monkeys on the moon wearing polka dotted pajamas. That doesnt make it so.

Prove it Osamma! The evidence presented day after day here and all around the world disproves your claim. Of everything that I have studied over many years all I see is the darkness and backwardness of Islam and it's lone evil, child molesting, rapist, serial killer false Prophet!

simple_truth said...

Osama Abdallah said...
"
Gspencer,

Right. Team up with those who spit and Christ and deny the virgin birth. What a great team of goof and ball!

Islam is the Light. It does not and never did detest the Light. You'll never accept Islam, because whoredom is the way of life that you only know. Keep it all for yourself buddy!

By the way, are you a Jew or Christian? Or is it none of my business? :)

Osama Abdallah"

I don't know what you mean since I don't see any problems with bringing attention to human right violations that your religion consistently opposes on the grounds that Islam is the solution; therefore, anything that it offers must be good for everyone. Why don't you focus on the topic at hand and give us some input on why Islam does not honor basic human rights? I know your answer is going to be along the lines that Islam protects women, or there is no true Islamic state that practices sharia. It will be something that changes the focus to something other than what you are willing to discuss like right now. You can attack those who are a part of this conference; but, you can't attack what they are standing up for since your religion is the main reason that they are having this conference in the first place.

If I were you, I would try to gracefully leave apologetics and polemics since you can't seem to present a reasonable and well argued treatise. You can't expect to get any respect from more professional and respected people when you can't even hold your own weight. Why not quit while you are behind--way behind, that is. Arguments like the ones that you present are something that I would expect for little kids who, of course, wouldn't be expected to know better.

aaron said...

@OSAMA

Despite us telling you again and again about the logical fallacy of your arguments you refused to listen. again you are doing the fallacy of Tu Quoque

Aren;t you and the leftest teaming up in wall street? At least we have proof to support our evidence, But you guys go lieing about woments rights. This convferance provides evidence of it. If islam did support women rigths we would not be having this conferances but you went off and gave us the reason to.

"whoredom" is also another fallacy when muhummed allowed sex with slaves. so your hyprocrisy and logical thinking is flawed.

Tom said...

David,

No doubt, you and all of the team at ABN have already started in prayer about this event. I hope you will encourage all who view any of your videos and all who support this blog to be in prayer about this important conference. If you haven't already, please post a vid about the conference and let us make it go viral.

You are far too modest but the truth is you have contributed - and God has used you - beyond your own reckoning, for His glory. Your presence at this conference and the success of this event deserve all the prayer support we can raise. Please don't be shy in asking for prayer.

KAFIR AND PROUD & Prayin' out loud!

Radical Moderate said...

@Osama

you wrote...

"Right. Team up with those who spit and Christ and deny the virgin birth. What a great team of goof and ball!"


So I take it you wont be showing up to a conference speaking out agains the KILLING OF MUSLIM GIRLS AND WOMAN. CALLING FOR JUSTICE FOR THE MUSLIM WOMAN AND GIRLS THAT ARE KILLED IN THE NAME OF HONOR?

I find intereting that the one person, and group of people that should be at a conference like this i.e. Muslims are the ones who not only won't be there but will also condem such a conference.

Osama thanks again for exposing ISLAM.

The Berean Search said...

Radical Moderate,

Of course Osama won't be doing anything to help stop honor killings. He declared the following right here on this blog:

"There are several reasons why a man NOT ONLY SHOULD BEAT HIS WIFE, but beat the day lights out of her as well!"
- Osama Abdallah

[Source]

Osama has no respect for women, and no respect for the rights of Muslimas. Just like the 7th century war-monger that he follows, Osama views female sexuality as a commodity that is owned and controlled by men and his deep seeded sexual insecurity leads him to rationalize that violence is justified if a woman dares to refuse coercion into the terms of that arrangement.

Neverrepayevilwithevil said...

Guys I pray for your protection as you carry out the great commission. May the light of Christ shine forth and every voice of the enemy be silenced.
Osama is a coward,you mean you will not be adding your islamic and mohamemmedan human rights "upholding the value of women"? You are a big disgrace to humankind! if he knows he has the truth why does he keep on hiding.Mohammed his prophet doesn't even know where he is going. Common sense will dictate that one follows the one who claims to know the way. May God remove the scales covering osama's eyes- Amen

Royal Son said...

Osama - are women allowed to beat their husbands according to the Qur'an?

SGM said...

Dear Mr. Osama,
Can you please tell us where in the Quran Allah tells you that Islam is the light? Do you have any proof or are you trying to imitate Christians and pretending that Islam is the Light? We Christians however are told in the Holy Bible about the true Light.

Let me begin by telling you that origin of our light is God. 1 John 1:5, “This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.”

Secondly, the Light came into this world in Jesus Christ. John 3:19, “And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.” Jesus also says in John 8:12, “Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." Again in John 12:46, “I have come into the world as light, so that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness.”

Thirdly, we are told that who ever believes in Jesus Christ is the light of the world. Matthew 5:14, “"You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden.” And in 1 Thessalonians 5:5, “For you are all children of light, children of the day. We are not of the night or of the darkness.”

So you see Mr. Osama, our God is Light, Jesus Christ is Light and we Christian as God’s children are the light of the world.

Now lets examine what you said, “Islam is the Light. It does not and never did detest the Light.” If islam is the light, how can it detest light. Can light detest itself. What I am saying is that either islam is the light or it is not. It can’t be the light and detest light at the same time. You are contradicting your self. However, for Islam to be the Light and detest light can only happen if it is detesting some other kind of light and not itself.

And that is exactly what we read in the bible. In 2 Corinthians 11:14, “And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.” According to the true word of God, any other light besides God, Jesus Christ and Christians is not true light. So, in a way, you are right in that Islam is the Light. But it is not the true Light. And it does detest the True Light.

Once again, waiting for you to respond how you would like to die as a martyr?
May God have mercy on you and all those Moslems who read these post and that He might bring you into true light. All honor and glory be to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Osama Abdallah said...

"As for the rape issue, Islam requires (a) four witnesses, or (b) a confession. In Bassam's Hadith, the man confesses, which is why four witnesses weren't required. Usually, rapists don't confess, and they go free in Islam."

RESPONSE:

You see David, this is what bothers me from you. You're too superficial!
Back then, Islam made it hard for people to make false charges. Those who are convicted of making false charges are to be flogged with 80 stripes in public. This is in the Glorious Quran.

Many women tend to exploit their gender in despicable ways! This is a fact! We see it all the time in sexual harrasement cases. The slightest comment can be twisted into a major harrasement. It never happened to me, for I despise most of the women in the West! Period! But we see it all the time in the media.

Similarly, a woman back then could easily charge a man with rape. Many major battles took place because of women. The war of BASOUS, went back and forth for 40 years among Arabs, is the most popular one in our history books. It happened because of a woman called BASOUS! This is why Islam is tough on chastity and on witnesses and on not letting opposite genders being alone. In Islam, you're not even allowed to sleep in the same room with your own sister, mother or daughter! Any lifeless loser can make a charge of harrasement or rape. This is why Islam requires the 4 witnesses. It's easy to produce them with rape. If she chooses to be alone with him in his house, then tough on her. She brought it upon herself. But in public, it's easy to produce 10 witnesses and not just four. This is why our women are brought up in a certain way:

1- Not to be alone with men.

2- Never allure men or intice them.

3- If a man looks at you in the eye, then look down.

4- Don't carry on a conversation with a man.

5- Don't ever have a conversation with a man!

These are some of the teachings I remember my mother tought to my sisters.

Let me give you a little example (and Allah Almighty is a Witness on my words):

My little sister is into Guitar playing. She's actually good at it! One time we were at a resturaunt in a resort that had a guitar player playing in it. He was good. During his break, he came closer to our table, and my sister wanted to ask him few question about the Guitar that he was playing. Just 5 minutes into the conversation, my mother cut off the conversation and yelled at her to shut up! This wasn't my father who did it. It was my mother. It was inappropriate for my sister to go beyond this with the stranger man in a technical conversation about guitars. It didn't bother me, but I loved it coming from my mother. This is who we are, and we are proud of it!

But aside from all of this, and back to the point, THIS IS WHERE DAVID WOOD IS SUPERFICIAL, because in modern-day countries there is DNA testing and technology that can prove with easy a sexual intercourse occurance, and/or a loss of virginity.

Like I told gspencer, whoredom is the way of life that you only know. This is why Islam looks weird to you.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Osama Abdallah said...

You have to also remember, David Wood, that the punishment for rape is upto death, in Islam. This is why Islam has high standards when it comes to convicting someone with rape. A woman claiming to be raped doesn't automatically mean she was raped.

1- Was she alone with him by her own free will?

2- Was it rape or just sex?

3- Did she have a relationship with the man prior to the rape?

I am not a detective, but these are some of the questions that the woman and her "rapist" would be grilled on during interragation. It's not a free ride to just claim someone raped you, because if he's convicted, then he will face death if it was a forced rape with sexual intercourse.

I know in the US, a woman can claim to have been "raped" by the guy just for having sex with him, OR EVEN JUST FOR BEING ALONE IN THE ROOM WITH HIM! She can say that she said "no" even while they were in the middle of the intercourse and that he refused to stop, and this would still be considered rape. We see this happen a lot with popular celebrities or politicians who are alone with women in hotel rooms. In Islam, it wouldn't. It would be considered fornication or adultery.

**** The West is a complete JOKE when it comes to date-rapes and rapes in general! They have the highest claims of "rape", and their societies are conditioned and built on illegal sex. Again, whoredom is all you know.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

gabriella oak said...

Dear Osama,

I am one of those despicable Western women who is ( according to you ) immersed in "whoredom".
Nevertheless, all the riches in the world couldn't persuade me to touch you with a ten foot bargepole.

Even "whores" have their standards.

ixthus said...

Osama:

Dude your not even subtle about it...unless she is raped in public it is her fault..wow.

Neverrepayevilwithevil said...

Please watch this video about the guy who kills for allah by beheading. There is no compassion in islam whatsoever. Not for sensitive viewers. http://youtu.be/UxmBp23W6nc

Neverrepayevilwithevil said...

This guy called osama is behaving like a complete nutter for mohammed. I cannot for the life of me understand his infantile reasoning. Somebody help this guy before he self destructs.

aaron said...

@osama
How th blazes will the women prove it when no one is at home. we know that we need more then one witness. so again we see fallacy in your logic.

SGM said...

Dear Mr. Osama,
Just a few comments on some of your foolish rant.
1. “I despise most of the women in the West! Period!” For the life of me I can not understand that as much as you hate the western society and especially the women, yet this is the society you chose to live in. Why don’t you pack up your belongings and go to 130 degree Arabian desert. Maybe the heat will do good to your brain.
2. “In Islam, you're not even allowed to sleep in the same room with your own sister, mother or daughter!” Only a moslem man will have a problem sleeping in the same room with their mother or sister or crying out loud their daughter. I suppose since Mohammad married his own daughter in law, what is to stop Moslem men to go after their daughters or sisters? No man in any other religion in this world will have a problem sleeping with their mother in the same room. Even atheist will have this much morality.

I was also wondering why your mother stopped your sister talking to a man in the restaurant? Did she think that she was luring the man? Or was she afraid that the man some how was going to do something bad? Was she not wearing a hajab?

Now to the main objection. You say, “In Islam, it wouldn't. It would be considered fornication or adultery.” Do you even know what fornication and adultery means. Is it sex out side of marriage? Or is it forced sex? Let me jog your memory. Your Allah allowed Moslem men to have sex outside of marriage with as many slave girls as they want. What is this called? Hallal sex? What about sex in the presence of Allah with 72 virgins. Those virgins are not your wives. Isn’t that called whoredem? May be not with Allah.

On another note. Do you know how many Christian girls are raped by Moslem men in Pakistan alone every day? Do you think these Moslem men are raping these girls in public? Apparantly not. So where would the four witnesses come from? Oh, I forgot, the four other men in the gang who raped the girl. And we are to expect these pios Moslem men in the gang to become 4 witnesses? Right Mr. Osama. What are you smoking? Which rapist would rape a girl in front of four people. Also, if there are four people witnessing a rape, why won’t they stop it? Or are they just enjoying watching? Don’t you see, how stupid Mohammad’s teaching are?

May God have mercy on you and that He saves you from eternal damnation and bring you in the light of our savior and redeemer Jesus Christ. I am praying for you. There is still hope for you.

Osama Abdallah said...

Dear Osama,

I am one of those despicable Western women who is ( according to you ) immersed in "whoredom".
Nevertheless, all the riches in the world couldn't persuade me to touch you with a ten foot bargepole.

Even "whores" have their standards.

RESPONSE:

And are you a born-again Christian "whore" (as you called yourself; I didn't call you that!)?
If I understand you correctly, you sleep around with men, but you just wouldn't in a million years sleep with me. Do I understand you correctly? :) Actually, it's safer for you to not wanna sleep with a dynamite like me hehehehe. Get it? Dynamites, Osama? LOL.

Well, sleeping with me is irrelevant here. If you do, however, sleep with other men and you're a born again Christian, then may I say LOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL?

Baby, you can keep ALLLLLLLLLLLLL of the born-again dudes for yourself!!! :) I don't wanna be one of them.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Search 4 Truth said...

@ Osama

Yeah Islam made it almost impossible to convict a rapist! Your mind and soul is so twisted you cannot see it!

Islam protects the rapist, and punishes the victim! And we see it to this day all around the Islamic world! Four witnesses to a rape? That is insane! Why cant the womans word and physical evidence condemn the rapist? And it would have to be 3 women witnessing a man raping a woman. Because a womans testimony is worth half that of a mans!

Islam is pure evil! Islam is Satans game, and Mohamed was an anti Christ!

Traeh said...

Islam is the light?

How can that be, when it forbids freedom of speech and freedom of thought?

No, Islam is the darkness, and Muslims prefer it, and very often try to kill freedom of speech and those who exercise it. Muslims are afraid of the light.

Osama Abdallah said...

"Why don’t you pack up your belongings and go to 130 degree Arabian desert."

RESPONSE:

SGM, I don't know what race you belong to, but I am guessing White from European descent.
I keep hearing this garbage from your particular race, out of all of the other Americans, all the time! If you don't like me being here, then you get the hell out of here! I am here to spread Islam. Plus, the whole earth is GOD Almighty's property and not yours or your race's. But I find it interesting that the others (the minorities) don't say that to me. Only the European whites, as if this country was theirs to begin with, do.

So again, I am in GOD Almighty's Land, and not yours. Islam will spread despite you and your bigots. And it is more than an honor for me to be among those who help spread Islam to the West.

Plus Mr. born again Christian, are you condoning the whoredom of the West with your attack on my critisim? I find it most ludicrous that Christians are among the most supporters of whoredoms! I mean seriously Mr., are you ok with the social decadence of the West? That is if you actually consider it decadence from the first place.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Search 4 Truth said...

@ Osama

Islam imprisons, subjectefies, minimizes, and controls women. And lets take for example the rugby team that was falsely accused of rape. Guess what the outcome was? The young men were exonerated! Now lets take a look at Islamic countries. Where women are gang raped and the men are set free and the women are imprisoned, lashed, and often killed, forced to marry their attackers, and even murdered by their own families!

Dec. 2, 2011 - 12:00 am
KABUL, Afghanistan -- Afghan President Hamid Karzai has pardoned a jailed rape victim, but only after she agreed to marry the man she says raped her.


Dec. 2, 2011 - 12:00 am
KABUL, Afghanistan -- Afghan President Hamid Karzai has pardoned a jailed rape victim, but only after she agreed to marry the man she says raped her.

Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/12/02/4095588/jailed-afghan-rape-victim-wins.html#ixzz1fniyAjbx

Girl gets a year in jail, 100 lashes for adultery
By Adnan Shabrawi
JEDDAH – A 23-year-old unmarried woman was awarded one-year prison term and 100 lashes for committing adultery and trying to abort the resultant fetus.
The District Court in Jeddah pronounced the verdict on Saturday after the girl confessed that she had a forced sexual intercourse with a man who had offered her a ride. The man, the girl confessed, took her to a rest house, east of Jeddah, where he and four of friends assaulted her all night long.
http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?contentID=2009020828735&method=home.regcon

Now tell me the woman should have expected to be raped for accepting a ride. Because of the Islamic mindset women are objects, not people, They are property. It is because of the backwardness of Islams views on women that these things occur! Are you going to tell us that it is her fault for accepting a ride? Islam makes the victim the one responsible for the acts of their attackers!

Osama because of your fascist death cult and child molesting, rapist, serial killer anti Christ false Prophet women are blamed for the atrocities committed by Muslim men!

Billy said...

Osama said: “In Islam, you're not even allowed to sleep in the same room with your own sister, mother or daughter!"

So a Muslim father cannot be left alone with his daughter at night because he might molest her?

Mohammad molested his daughter Fatima by sucking on her tongue and kissing her breasts. Therefore, it is understandable that pious Muslim men would likely molest their daughters.

What vile/disgusting “religion”.

http://www.raymondibrahim.com/9865/the-perverse-sexual-habits-of-the-prophet

Chessie L said...

I am just waiting on what the Detroit Media is going to say about this, will they do their job and expose truth and report fairly or will they be totally intimidated by The Michigan Muslim community and play the dhimmi attack dog. It's sad to me that outsides have to come to Michigan to expose this issue in the first place.

C.L Edwards

aaron said...

@OSAMA
"Many women tend to exploit their gender in despicable ways! This is a fact! We see it all the time in sexual harrasement cases. The slightest comment can be twisted into a major harrasement. It never happened to me, for I despise most of the women in the West! Period! But we see it all the time in the media."

Guess what I am a asian so i am a neutral party in this and I can inform you that most westerners aren't christians. Give me some proper facts before you go waving around stuff.

By the way as for "islam making hard" to convict people. it seems to favor the person who did it more with its conditions.

The foresics of western judical system serves as better judical evidence then your four witness approach and women can;t be witness.

want proof Osama? here is the bombshell

here
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/09/refusing-to-kill-daughter-pakistani-family-defies-tradition-draws-anger/245691/

victims are threatened instead Osama because your of your Islamic traditions and because of the pathetic and untimely investigations methods used by your system.

so your judical system is rather redundant and backwards.

Oh btw i can go on a lot more osama detail. above you said

"Many women tend to exploit their gender in despicable ways! This is a fact".

Ah from your argument then we can show that the man lacks self control. Because by the end of the day he is responsible for his own actions.

In fact its normally the man who does something wrong and the woman does nothing.

this leads me to the issue of the hijab. BECAUSE your men lack so much self control you force women to wear fully covered clothing. thus you are getting better rights then women and not treating them as equals as they are not allowed to dress in simliar fashion.

The hijab reveals irresponsibility and inability of muslim men to resist such simple and trivial matters. its your own responsiblity to makre sure you don;t sin not others.

Search 4 Truth said...

Osama is here to do Satans bidding!

He cannot respond to logical ration criticism. Rape is a crime in the West. Islam condones rape of captives and those whom thy right hand possesses. And then when Muyslim women are raped by Muslim men it is the women who suffer all over again for the Satanic teachings of the child molesting, rapist, serial killer false Prophet Mohamed!

Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)

"O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.” (Bukhari 34:432)

"We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter" (Sahih Muslim 3371)


* تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn
{ وَٱلْمُحْصَنَٰتُ مِنَ ٱلنِّسَآءِ إِلاَّ مَا مَلَكْتَ أَيْمَٰنُكُمْ كِتَٰبَ ٱللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ وَأُحِلَّ لَكُمْ مَّا وَرَاءَ ذَٰلِكُمْ أَن تَبْتَغُواْ بِأَمْوَٰلِكُمْ مُّحْصِنِينَ غَيْرَ مُسَٰفِحِينَ فَمَا ٱسْتَمْتَعْتُمْ بِهِ مِنْهُنَّ فَآتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ فَرِيضَةً وَلاَ جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِيمَا تَرَٰضَيْتُمْ بِهِ مِن بَعْدِ ٱلْفَرِيضَةِ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيماً حَكِيماً }

And, forbidden to you are, wedded women, those with spouses, that you should marry them before they have left their spouses, be they Muslim free women or not; save what your right hands own, of captured [slave] girls, whom you may have sexual intercourse with, even if they should have spouses among the enemy camp

Not only that! Islam makes it almost impossible to convict a rapist!

Qur'an (2:282) - Establishes that a woman's testimony is worth only half that of a man's in court (there is no "he said/she said" gridlock in Islam).

Qur'an (24:4) - "And those who accuse free women then do not bring four witnesses (to adultery), flog them..."

Qur'an (24:13) - "Why did they not bring four witnesses of it? But as they have not brought witnesses they are liars before Allah."

I am not aware of group rapes. Unless of course the rapists are gang raping women. And I dont think the rapists are going to turn witness against themselves and their cohorts!

What an evil ideology Satans Islam is!

aaron said...

Osama you are making very big and unsupported assumptions there saying we support the "whoredom" of the west. Most of us agree that western "whoredom" is better then the islamic "all you can rape buffet as long as no one sees you". In reality most of us dislike some of the west moral stantards.we have been going against gay marraiges and sex before marriage for ages.

As for societal decadence? the westerners are still light years ahead in science then you. their social teaching allows room for expansion while yours are not as productive.

what you would call the pagan buddhist compared to muslims are better then you.

here is why

1.muslims lets you have many wives, not to mention the rape all you want as long as you leave no witinesses to take advatage of you backward system. Buddhist advises you to remain a virgin and avoid lust. Oh btw i will further exapand on my previous argument from my post.

2.In ancient China monks see women not covered head to toe all the time but instead see them dress casually. yet they can control themselves. so even the buddhist are better then you in terms of self control. they live like this their whole lives for monks

you may try wahtever you may wish to say the hijab is being modest but my previous posts debunks all of it as a man's self lack of self control and forcing their own reponsibility on women.

imagine what supposedly is the greatest religion in the world according to osama it being beaten by what he called a pagan isn't that hilarious LOL?

SGM said...

Dear Mr. Osama,
Forget about my race. There is only one race and that is human race. We are all made after God’s image. And yes, the whole earth is God’s property. However, we do have different societies and each society has its own morals and laws. Now if you don’t like the western society, you can go and live in your mohammadan desert where you won’t have to put up with this whoredom. There you can kiss, as much as you want, the black stone. And one thing I guarantee you, you will never be able to take over the world. You couldn’t do it in sixteen hundred years, what makes you think that you can do it now. Are you telling me that you Moslems can face the armies and technology of the west? I am not boasting but come on, again, what are you smoking dude.

Now I raised quite a few questions and you have not answered one. Are you telling us that if you have a daughter or a sister, that your family will never trust to leave you in a room alone? I will try to ask you again to use some common sense, which is hard for you to do, Why would the family distrust you? The only possible answer is that you will try to molest who ever you are with in the room, whether your daughter or sister or mother. Second, why did your mother stopped your sister to talk to the man in restaurant? Was your sister luring the man? And tell us, what is sex with as many slave girls as you want called? Is it HALLAL SEX?

May God have mercy on your soul and deliver you from the hands of Satan. I really feel sorry for you. From what I understand, you are a computer engineer. So you can’t be that stupid. But think about it, being as smart you are, you still defend a religion that teaches that sperm comes form the ribs and the back bone, earth is flat and sun goes down in muddy pool of water etc etc. This only happens when satan blinds our eyes to see the truth. So my earnest prayer is that God opens your eyes.

Radical Moderate said...

@Osama

Thanks for giving us another piece of the Osama Puzzle.

You wrote...

"Just 5 minutes into the conversation, my mother cut off the conversation and yelled at her to shut up! This wasn't my father who did it. It was my mother."

YOu here that folks Osama is a MOMMA's boy. No wonder Osama detest woman so much. I'm betting his father was just a week and pathetic little man as he is.

Unknown said...

Osama Abdallah said...

"My little sister is into Guitar playing. She's actually good at it! One time we were at a resturaunt in a resort that had a guitar player playing in it. He was good. During his break, he came closer to our table, and my sister wanted to ask him few question about the Guitar that he was playing. Just 5 minutes into the conversation, my mother cut off the conversation and yelled at her to shut up! This wasn't my father who did it. It was my mother. It was inappropriate for my sister to go beyond this with the stranger man in a technical conversation about guitars."

Was the man Muslim? If so, I think your mother was right to fear for the safety of your sister.

fossdon85 said...

Osama, talking about your sisters, is it any wonder that Western expats, like me, throughout dar al-Islam are being picked up by Muslimas left and right? Seems all women want to respect, have sexual desires, want to have laughs and be appreciated by the opposite sex. More and more bold Muslimas are stepping out. They've had enough of their misogynistic societies and chauvinistic men they're surrounded by. Westerners are the new toys for them. Deal with it, Osama. I am - and having a blast here on the Arabian Gulf.

Nakdimon said...

so fossdon85, are you actually saying that muslimas are EASY TO BANG?????

I though that was only a trait for latinas, according to Osama.

aaron said...

hey david could you post a video of the conferance up

Tatersalad said...

Great website if someone is planning on "leaving Islam":

http://freedomdefense.typepad.com/leave-islam/

http://amilimani.com/2011/11/islam-was-not-for-me/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=islam-was-not-for-me

Video of Pam Geller and the facts on Islam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLzlQ7WrvfQ&feature=player_embedded
Leave Islam now before you are placed in the vice of death:

http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/gellers-banned-speech-in-houston-truth-is-the-new-hate-speech-video/

All non-Muslims are "infidels": http://www.meforum.org/3085/muslim-declares-christians-infidels

Nakdimon said...

Actually, guys, this "four witnesses" thing was concocted in order to solve a problem regarding Aisha. I suggest you guys go read Ibn Kathir on this. However, in the process, this irrational standard of testimony to rape/fornication has brought tremendous suffering to women in Islamic countries without any hope to ever get any justice served in cases of rape and they now have to deal with the result that the rapists get "exhonorated" while the rape victims get placated. I'll try to work out a small piece on the Aisha story and how Muhammad got favorite his wife out of a tight spot.

TAREK said...

Mr. Osama You wrote
"the whole earth is GOD Almighty's property and not yours or your race's."
Please learn how to tell the truth and only the truth please. According to Sahih Al Bukhari Muhammad your false prophet said it himself and I quote " the earth belong to Allah and his prophet" By the way Allah is one of the creators (Sura 23 Ayah 14)
Please say the truth and shame the devil.

Thanks Dr. David Our prayers are with you.