Saturday, April 9, 2011

Ann Barnhardt Responds to Critics of Qur'an Burning

The world is changing, my friends. People are studying Islam, and they're not liking Muhammad's teachings. Islam spreads quite well when people know nothing about it, for ignorance allows Muslim apologists to adapt Muhammad's teachings to suit the values of a population. "You believe in women's rights? So did Muhammad! You like science? The Qur'an is a scientific masterpiece! You value tolerance? Muhammad was the most tolerant person in history!" Absurd claims like these cannot spread among informed citizens.

I still find burning the Qur'an offensive, not because I give some privileged status to the Qur'an (the most violent and oppressive book ever composed), but because I'm no fan of book burning. For me, burning books conjures images like this:

Nevertheless, burning the Qur'an (to me, at least) isn't nearly as offensive as trampling on the United States Constitution. The Qur'an calls for the subjugation or death of American citizens; the Constitution demands our protection, even from our own government. The Qur'an severely limits the rights of women, Christians, Jews, etc.; the Constitution enshrines equal rights for all citizens. The Qur'an has been a constant retrograde force calling people back to the ideals and attitudes of seventh-century Arabia; the Constitution has brought progress both to the United States, and to nations who have imitated us. Strangely, many U.S. politicians (not to mention judges) now find it more prudent to honor the Qur'an than to honor the Constitution.

And here's what's happening. If Muslims weren't murdering so many people in Afghanistan, and Pakistan, and Somalia, and Nigeria, and Sudan, and Europe, and . . . well, you get the picture; and if Western governments weren't behaving in such a cowardly fashion, the world would never have heard of Pastor Terry Jones or Ann Barnhardt. People like Jones and Barnhardt are standing up to condemn Islam's violent teachings because they're sick of Western leaders bowing to Islam. So the next time you're wondering why there's so much "Islamophobia" (where "Islamophobia" simply means "Constitutionally protected criticism of Islam's most horrendous teachings"), look no further than people like Senator Lindsey Graham.

(BTW, regardless of objections you may have to the delivery, this video is a brilliant refutation of the idiotic and delusional nonsense being spouted by U.S. politicians who are unwittingly working to establish Sharia in America.)

Barnhardt is absolutely correct when she points out that, contrary to the claims of Senator Graham, it was perfectly acceptable to ridicule the Germans, Italians, and Japanese who were at war with the United States and its allies. Consider the following racist, Germanophobic video typical of the early 1940s:

For commentary on Barnhardt's video, see the following:


PoliticallyIncorrect said...

I'm speechless! This woman of integrity and bravery said everything I've been thinking since I started learning about Islam. I applaud her truthful exegesis of the Qur'anic passages and her being willing to publicly announce and make manifest the evil inspiration of the Qur'an and the evil intrinsic within Islam. I endorse her zeal and willingness to make public her personal information in order to show her disdain for the evil ideological belief system clothed in the garb of religion; and to make others aware.
May God bless you and keep you safe and always in the Truth.

Radical Moderate said...

"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Voltare

Why are we in Afghanistan? Wasn't it to protect the life, and liberty of United States citizens?

Those brave men and woman who are on the ground swore to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; not to build a new nation in Afghanistan, or defend the rights of Muslims to oppress other people.

The US burned bibles in Afghanistan, and one man burns a Quran in the USA which goes un noticed, and all of a sudden we are loosing the war in Afghanistan?

If the actions of one man in the USA can undo the efforts of the US Military, 2 terms of one president, and a half a term of another. Then the war in Afghanistan has always been lost.

Radical Moderate said...

Ok just saw the second video. This is wrong, it is offensive, it is obscene.

Bacon can either be eaten, or wrapped around tender steaks and then fed to your dogs. But it should never ever be desecrated by using it to book mark a Qur'an or even decorate a Mosque. This is a ABOMONATION.

characterbuilder said...


I have searched the internet about this women. Wasn't able to find much on her. Do you have any info about her religious background?

Do you or fellow bloggers know about the church or religous group she may be aligned with.

characterbuilder said...


Just read in a interview that she is Catholic.

Kangaroo said...

Again smash talking Muslims. I have never seen any Muslim website smash talking Christians everyday as if that is their goal in life.

What's so "violent" about Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) teachings? All it is is misunderstanding, willingly, on your part because you HATE SUBMITTING TO GOD.

Here we have all the Prophets preaching about ONE GOD and then we have a guy named Paul introducing something called the trinity (sounds like idol polytheistic worship to me). That should ring a bell, unless lying is something done by you everyday. (And no, Taqiyya is found in some Shia group, not even right).

David said...

'Kangaroo', April fools was 9 days ago. You were still very funny in what you said though.

donna60 said...

Kangaroo, All she did was quote from the Koran. And that stuff about Muslims liking boys is nothing that we don't already know. Our sons who are stationed over in Qatar come back and tell us all about it.

Why are you murdering innocent people because one man in the south burnt a koran. Doesn't that make you ashamed?

donna60 said...

I just emailed Lindsey and asked him if he need me to send him a copy of the 1st amendment.

Radical Moderate said...

Kanagroo said...
"Here we have all the Prophets preaching about ONE GOD and then we have a guy named Paul introducing something called the trinity (sounds like idol polytheistic worship to me)"

Yes all the prophets and Paul preach ONE GOD his name is YHWH there is no other God but him.
That's what we Christians believe in one God his name is YHWH, this one God is Father Son and Spirit.

Mkvine said...

Wow, what a woman! So brave to speak the Truth! No to dhimitude!

Mkvine said...


For starters, try surah 9:29...

Traeh said...

Burning one's own copy of the Qur'an is utterly different from calling for the state or mobs to burn all Qur'ans. In a world full of death threats against journalists, artists, teachers, and politicians who dare to criticize the Qur'an, burning one's own copy is analogous to toppling a statue of Mao, Stalin, or Hitler. It's an act of defiance to a tyrant. It's a demand for freedom of thought, speech, and conscience.

Traeh said...


On page 547 (814 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, Muhammad permits a threat of beheading to force a conversion to Islam:

[Muhammad] said: "Woe to you Abu Sufyan, isn't it time that you recognize that I am God's apostle?" [Sufyan] answered, "As to that I still have some doubt." [Ibn Abbas] said to [Sufyan], "Submit and testify that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the apostle of God before you lose your head," so [Sufyan] did so.

Traeh said...


On page 222 (326 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, he affirms that those who do not follow him will be slaughtered.
Abu jahl said to them: "Muhammad alleges that if you follow him you will be kings of the Arabs and the Persians. Then after death you will be raised to gardens like those of the Jordan. But if you do not follow him you will be slaughtered, and when you are raised from the dead you will be burned in the fire of hell." The apostle [Muhammad] came out to them with a handful of dust saying: "I do say that."

Traeh said...


In a core Islamic text, Muhammad orders people burned up in their houses, for not coming to prayer:

In Sahih al-Bukhari, the most canonical hadith collection:

Volume 1, Book 11, Number 626:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to crawl." The Prophet added, "Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama [second call to prayer] and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses."

See also:
Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 11, Number 617:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah’s Apostle said,“By Him in Whose Hand my soul is I was about to order for collecting fire-wood (fuel) and then order someone to pronounce the Adhan [summons] for the prayer and then order someone to lead the prayer then I would go from behind and burn the houses of men who did not present themselves for the (compulsory congregational) prayer. By Him, in Whose Hands my soul is, if anyone of them had known that he would get a bone covered with good meat or two (small) pieces of meat present in between two ribs, he would have turned up for the ‘Isha’ prayer.’
[fifth of the five daily prayers]

Traeh said...


In a core Islamic text, Muhammad says there is to be no punishment for murdering someone who insults Muhammad

In Sunan Abu-Dawud, a canonical hadith collection:
Book 38, Number 4348:

Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:

A blind man had a slave-mother [a slave who bore children for him] who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He [the blind man] forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he [the blind man] took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it.

He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.

He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.

Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.

donna60 said...

Kangaroo, if you don't think Islam websites trash Christians, try going to Examinethetruth.

And this website doesn't even bother with telling the truth. They just indulge in lies and slander. At least Ann tells the truth. She literally read from the Koran.

Traeh said...

In core Islamic texts, Muhammad says your "lives and property" are not safe from him unless you become a Muslim

In Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, the two most canonical hadith collections:

Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform all that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

Sahih Muslim, Book 031, Number 5917:

...Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people? Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger, and when they do that then their blood and their riches are inviolable from your hands but what is justified by law and their reckoning is with Allah.

Traeh said...


In the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, pages 511-517 (758-766 in the Arabic) we learn how in Khaybar Muhammad ordered the torture of a man in order to get hold of a treasure, then beheaded the man, and how that night Muhammad took into his private tent for consummation of "marriage" the tortured man's widow, whose father and other male relatives Muhammad had just killed:

Kinana b. al-Rabi', who had the custody of the treasure of the B. al-Nadir, was brought to the apostle who asked him about it. He denied that he knew where it was. A Jew came (Tabari says "was brought") to the apostle and said that he had seen Kinana going round a certain ruin every morning early. When the apostle [Muhammad] said to Kinana, 'Do you know that if we find you have it I shall kill you?' he said Yes. The apostle gave orders that the ruin was to be excavated and some of the treasure was found. When he asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle [Muhammad] gave orders to al-Zubayr b. al-'Awwam, 'Torture him until you extract what he has,' so he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his [Kinana's] chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad b. Maslama and he struck off his head in revenge for his brother Mahmud. [-- page 515 (763-764 in the Arabic)]

...The apostle took captives...among whom was Safiya d. Huyayy b. Akhtab who had been the wife of Kinana b. al-Rabi’ b. Abu’l-Huqayq, and two cousins of hers. The apostle chose Safiya for himself. [-- page 511 (758 in the Arabic)]

When the apostle married Safiya in Khaybar or on the way, she having been beautified and combed, and got in a fit state for the apostle by Umm Sulaym d. Milhan mother of Anas b. Malik, the apostle passed the night with her in a tent of his. Abu Ayyub, Khalid b. Zayd brother of B. al-Najjar passed the night girt with his sword, guarding the apostle and going round the tent until in the morning the apostle saw him and asked him what he meant by his action. He replied, ‘I was afraid for you with this woman for you have killed her father, her husband, and her people, and till recently she was in unbelief, so I was afraid for you on her account.’ They allege that the apostle said ‘O God, preserve Abu Ayyub as he spent the night preserving me.’
[-- page 516-517 (766 in the Arabic)]

Traeh said...


In Sahih al-Bukhari, the most canonical hadith collection, Muhammad said,

"Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."

Traeh said...

The Qur'an does not say beat your wife if she is disobedient; it says beat her if you merely "fear" or suspect disobedience

Below are ten translations of a notorious part of Qur'an Chapter 4, Verse 34, the beat-your-disobedient-woman verse.

Six of the ten translations use the word "beat."

Two translations use the word "scourge," which as a verb means to whip.

And two of the translations use the word "chastise." Most dictionaries give corporal punishment (beating, or "stripes") as one of the main definitions of "chastise."

Some of the translators insert softening words in parentheses. None of the insertions in parentheses are in the original Arabic of the Qur'an.

Pickthall: "and scourge them"
Yusuf Ali: "(And last) beat them (lightly)"
Al-Hilali/Khan: "(and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful)"
Shakir: "and beat them"
Sher Ali: "and chastise them"
Khalifa: "then you may (as a last alternative) beat them"
Arberry: "and beat them"
Rodwell: "and scourge them"
Sale: "and chastise them"
Asad: "then beat them"
Dawood: "and beat them."

Traeh said...


Examples of Islam's founders hitting women

From Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, the two most canonical hadith collections:

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 82, Number 828:
Narrated Aisha [Muhammad's favorite wife]:

Abu Bakr [first caliph, father of Aisha, and companion of Muhammad] came towards me and struck me violently with his fist and said, "You have detained the people because of your necklace." But I remained motionless as if I was dead lest I should awake Allah's Apostle although that hit was very painful.

Sahih Muslim, Book 009, Number 3506:

Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported: Abu Bakr...came and sought permission to see Allah's Messenger...He found people sitting at his door and none amongst them had been granted permission, but it was granted to Abu Bakr and he went in. Then came Umar and he sought permission and it was granted to him, and he found Allah's Apostle...sitting sad and silent with his wives around him. He (Hadrat Umar) said: I would say something which would make the Holy Prophet...laugh, so he [Umar] said: Messenger of Allah, I wish you had seen (the treatment meted out to) the daughter of Khadija when you asked me some money, and I got up and slapped her on her neck. Allah's Messenger [Muhammad]...laughed and said: They are around me as you see, asking for extra money. Abu Bakr [who was later to become first caliph]...then got up went to A'isha...and slapped her on the neck, and Umar [who was later to become second caliph] stood up before Hafsa and slapped her saying: You ask Allah's Messenger...which he does not possess. They said: By Allah, we do not ask Allah's Messenger...for anything he does not possess...

Sahih Muslim, Book 004, Number 2127:
...(the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'A'isha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He [Muhammad] struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?...

Sahih al-Bukhari Volume 7, Book 72, Number 715:
Narrated 'Ikrima:Rifa'a divorced his wife whereupon 'AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's Apostle came, 'Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!"...


Wife-beating goes on in all societies. But most societies outlaw it and punish it. Islam's core texts and founders, with some limitations, make it into something sacred and thus unreformable.

Traeh said...


In core Islamic texts, Muhammad says beat your wife, no questions asked

In Sunan Abu Dawud, a canonical hadith collection:

Book 11, Number 2142:

Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.

Traeh said...


In core Islamic texts, Muhammad repeatedly ordered stoning:

For example, in the most canonical hadith collection, Sahih al-Bukhari:

Volume 8, Book 82, Number 805:

Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah Al-Ansari:
A man from the tribe of Bani Aslam came to Allah's Apostle and informed him that he had committed illegal sexual intercourse and bore witness four times against himself. Allah's Apostle [Muhammad] ordered him to be stoned to death as he was a married Person.

Traeh said...

Bernard Lewis says the overwhelming majority of uses of the word "jihad" in Islam's core texts are military in meaning

He writes on page 72 of his book The Political Language of Islam, that

...the overwhelming majority of classical theologians, jurists, and traditionalists [Muslim specialists in the Qur'an, hadiths, life of Muhammad, and Islamic law] ... understood the obligation of jihad in a military sense.

Lewis also writes, on page 31 of his book The Crisis of Islam, that

For most of the fourteen centuries of recorded Muslim history, jihad was most commonly interpreted to mean armed struggle for the defense or advancement of Muslim power.

Traeh said...



In core Islamic texts, Muhammad says the bell is satanic

From Sahih Muslim, canonical hadith collection

Book 024, Number 5279:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The bell is the musical instrument of the Satan.


In core Islamic texts, Muhammad compares his Koranic inspirations to the ringing of a...bell

In Sahih al-Bukhari, canonical hadith collection:

Volume 1, Book 1, Number 2:

Narrated 'Aisha: (the mother of the faithful believers) Al-Harith bin Hisham asked Allah's Apostle "O Allah's Apostle! How is the Divine Inspiration revealed to you?" Allah's Apostle replied, "Sometimes it is (revealed) like the ringing of a bell, this form of Inspiration is the hardest of all and then this state passes ' off after I have grasped what is inspired. Sometimes the Angel comes in the form of a man and talks to me and I grasp whatever he says." 'Aisha added: Verily I saw the Prophet being inspired Divinely on a very cold day and noticed the Sweat dropping from his forehead (as the Inspiration was over).

Traeh said...


In core Islamic texts, Muhammad allows his soldiers to rape captive women:

From Sahih Muslim, a canonical hadith collection:

Book 008, Number 3371:

Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger [Muhammad] (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

Notice that Muhammad did not say, "do not rape your captive women." He merely says it does not matter if his soldiers withdraw before ejaculation, because souls destined by Allah to be born will be born regardless.

From Sahih al-Bukhari, the most canonical hadith collection:

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 459:

Narrated Ibn Muhairiz:
I entered the Mosque and saw Abu Said Al-Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about Al-Azl (i.e. coitus interruptus). Abu Said said, "We went out with Allah's Apostle for the Ghazwa [battle at which Muhammad was present] of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interruptus, we said, 'How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah's Apostle [Muhammad] who is present among us?" We asked (him) about it and he said, 'It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist."

Again notice that, in answer to his soldiers' queries Muhammad doesn't say "You must not force your captives to have intercourse with you." He says only that coitus interruptus, withdrawing prior to ejaculation, is pointless, because souls predestined to exist will exist regardless.

Again in Sahih al-Bukhari:

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 137:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle [Muhammad] about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection."

Thus Muhammad does not forbid his men to rape their captives, but merely says that it's better not to do coitus interruptus. His men were to keep going till coitus was complete.

Traeh said...


On page 369 (554 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, Muhammad says "kill any Jew who falls into your power":

It's a "beautiful" story of two brothers, Muhayyissa and Huwayyisa: (To avoid confusing the two brothers, keep in mind that the brother whose name begins with M is the Murderer in the story.)

"The apostle [Muhammad] said, ‘Kill any Jew that falls into your power.’ Thereupon Muhayyisa bin Masud leapt upon Ibn Sunayna, a Jewish merchant with whom they had social and business relations, and killed him. Huwayisa was not a Muslim at the time though he was the elder brother. When Muhayyisa killed [the Jewish merchant] Huwayyisa began to beat [his brother Muhayyisa], saying, 'You enemy of God, did you kill him when much of the fat on your belly comes from his wealth?' Muhayyisa answered, 'Had the one who ordered me to kill him ordered me to kill you I would have cut your head off.'...[Huwayyisa] replied, 'By God, if Muhammad had ordered you to kill me would you have killed me?' [Muhayissa] said, 'Yes, by God, had he ordered me to cut off your head I would have done so.' [Huwayyisa] exclaimed, "By God, a religion which can bring you to this is marvellous!' and [Huwayyisa] became a Muslim."

Traeh said...


From page 464 (690 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, Muhammad presides over the beheading of 600 to 900 Jews:

Then [the Banu Qurayza tribe] surrendered, and the apostle [Muhammad] confined them in Medina in the quarter of d. al-Harith, a woman of B. al-Najjar. Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. Among them was the enemy of Allah Huyayy b. Akhtab and Ka`b b. Asad their chief. There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900. As they were being taken out in batches to the apostle they asked Ka`b what he thought would be done with them. He replied, 'Will you never understand? Don't you see that the summoner never stops and those who are taken away do not return? By Allah it is death!' This went on until the apostle made an end of them.

Traeh said...


On page 672 (992 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, he says

...kill those who disbelieve in God.

Lazaro Lopez said...

Anne Barnhardt fails the first clause of Phil.1:27. We must make our stand against this evil AND ALWAYS, ALWAYS present The Gospel, The Good News of Eternal Salvation. And it is time to really start INTERCEDING AND PRAYING for the Muslim Outreaches in Dearborn, MI and Toronto, Canada in June. Everyone come and lift up The Name of The Savior of sinners! Our Lord Jesus Christ! Hallelujah! I really did like what she said about "The Church MILITANT". Amen to that.

Kangaroo said...

Im starting to get sick of those arguments..It's becoming a cliche.

If you haven't seen some debates with Muslims vs Wood i suggest you do because they're answered there. I'm not wasting my time refuting all of that. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) remains to be the best model for all mankind.

There's still the historical accounts in the Quran that have corrected the Gospel and eliminated Esther. There is the scientific discoveries (Mountains, embryo, expanding universe, the light of Allah metaphor, the water cycle, the barrier of salintiy between the freshwater and salt water and the degrees between tewo seas, the correct description of an exploding universe)...Also the Prophecies.....Biggest one yet, the discovery of Pharoah's body as a sign to all mankind. If you're going to cry because some infidels died at the hands of the Muslims back then, then don't bother wasting my time.

Kangaroo said...

In your case, it's as if you have people who have seen the miracles done by Jesus (as) but STILL DENY him. Eye witness who have seen Jesus (as) bringing Lazarus back from the dead and creating a live bird from clay etc, ALL WITH THE POWER OF THE TRUE CREATOR. The scum that deny these miracles simply don't deserve to live.

minoria said...

Fine quote from Voltaire by Radical Moderate.Voltaire also said,I dont know why:"If God did NOT exist it would be necesarry to INVENT him."

And Traeh knows alot regarding the Sunna literature.I am learning a bit of it also.Knowledge is Power.

In a debate between SHABIR ALLY and TONY COSTA about Jesus and the resurrection Costa mentioned the Pre-Markan passion narrative that is believed,by many scholars,to have existed.

Shabir said even if it is true we dont know the source,who wrote it.


I am sure he knows this,he simply is an old man(with a white beard) who has dedicated his life to say half-truths in debates.I dont take his seriously at all.He makes one`s stomach churn.

The REASONS SKEPTICAL,NON-CHRISTIAN scholars ALMOST UNANIMOUSLY agree the FIRST disciples believed Jesus DIED and PHYSICALLY resurrected is because of MULTIPLE ATTESTATION from several INDEPENDANT sources.

Even if we dont know WHO wrote a Pre-Markan Passion narrative,or if it was written down at all,the various independent NON-NEW TESTAMENT sources confirm the first disciples believed X thing.

One argument against 1 Clement being written by Clement is that it doesnt say it is by him.Even if 1 Clement is not by him we know the HISTORICAL CLEMENT believed Jesus died and was physically resurrected through independant sources(Tertullian,Ireneus).

And Tertullian says there was the CUSTOM of keeping LISTS or REGISTRIES of succession in the churches,who succeeded who.This is crucial since Tertullian says CLEMENT was a DISCIPLE of PETER.

Shabir must know all this,after 20 years studying scholarship on Christianity,it is BASIC.But instead he makes a remark that SOUNDS convincing knowing scholarship is against him.Hmmm,that`s why I say he is a false scholar.


It has about Polycarp,Ireneus,Tertullian,Clement,Ignatius,Paul.And why all these independant sources show the first disciples believed Jesus died and resurrected.It is in French,you cantranslate it using GOOGLE TRANSLATE:(you COPY and PASTE)


Kangaroo said...

Jesus ressurecting and dying on the cross is a mere legend. The people who "saw" him THOUGHT they saw him, but it was someone who looked similar to him, . There;s no evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus (as), and the Quran refutes that, and the Quran has plenty of evidence on its side.

Kangaroo said...

Why don't you all visit this website, that will basically DESTROY this one.

Anonymous said...

I also find book burning offnsive. But if I were going to burn any book the Qur'an would be my book of choice.

I have just returned from a seminar sponsored by the International Free Press Sicuett on the Islamization in the Canada and the United States.

What I came away with was an understaning of exactly how utterly evil a political and religious system is Islam. That Mohammed was the most evil and wicked man to have erver lived. I l learned that Allah hates us and has declared war on us.

We need to wake up and take heed that we are in a war and we are losing. A great book to read is "The Mosque Exposed". It is a must read and will inform you on exactly what we are facing.

Paul Hubert said...

I hope Ann DOES inspire many to stand up and stand ON Holy Scripture and IN Christ Jesus!

John 8:24 said...


QURANIC MIRACLES???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Every so-called "Quranic miracle" has been debunked all over the place. Each of these "Quranic miracles" that I have seen so far is either a big fat lie or a ridiculously desperate attempt to invent a miracle where there is none. Only ignorant and dumb fall for this kind of nonsense. In fact, if you take a closer look at many of these "miraculous" verses in the Quran they actually prove how stupid the religion of Islam is. Let every one look at the following "Quranic miracles" and enjoy a good laugh:

Quranic Black Hole Miracle:

Quranic Hemoglobin Miracle:

Quranic Fresh Water Sea Water Barrier Miracle:

Quranic Flat Earth Miracle:

goethechosemercy said...

Im starting to get sick of those arguments..It's becoming a cliche.
end quote.

Of course you are.
Your culture disparages reason.
You have nothing to argue.
So you'll attack.
You'll attack not because you are stronger, but because you just have nothing else you can do.

goethechosemercy said...

There's still the historical accounts in the Quran that have corrected the Gospel and eliminated Esther.
end quote.

The Nazis made "eliminating" Esther a priority too.
The closer one looks at Islam, the worse it looks.

Kangaroo said...

I'm typically an open minded person, but when people start misquoting and mistranslating verses from the Quran and twisting them to their disbelieving view that's far from logic, thats when you become an idiot in my view.

All of those videos can be laughed at by my 11 yr old brother, who can msot likely refute that lie of the flat Earth in the Quran.

I understand the Bible tells you that the sun revolves around the Earth, as refuted by Galileo back then, but that doesn't mean you have to LIE about other religious texts because of your jealousy.

Traeh said...

Kangaroo said,

Again smash talking Muslims. I have never seen any Muslim website smash talking Christians everyday as if that is their goal in life.

You don't need to smash talk Christians. As a Muslim, you can simply smash them.

Quran 9:29.

Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger [Muhammad] have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth [Islam], out of those who have been given the Book [Christians and Jews], until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection [this subjection is a source of Islamic law's institution of dhimmitude, i.e., third-class legal status for non-Muslims].

Notice that 9:29 does not say "fight in self-defense." It says "fight those who do not believe" in Islam.

Kangaroo said...

Yes, if you don't pay the jizya tax and feel subdued by the LAW, as you do in the UNITED STATES....

WHy the perversion? Sheesh. At least you get to keep your churches and snyagogues.

Jabari said...

Kangaroo said...
The people who "saw" him THOUGHT they saw him, but it was someone who looked similar to him.

So now your god is in the business of starting false religions? This makes your god into a deceiver. Thanks your god deceiving even the his own followers into thinking that Jesus died on the cross, Christianity is the largest religion on the planet. And if your god deceives his own followers, how do you know he's not deceiving you?

You also said:
Jesus ressurecting and dying on the cross is a mere legend.

Really? Where's the proof for that?

I'm about to go to bed. So I'll have answer your false claims later.

Anonymous said...

Terry Jones is a dangerous man he is crazy he has protested with Westborow Baptist, he burns the written word which shows lack of respect for literature. He is a terrorist in his own way I am a fellow Christian and pray for the Man to repent. I think the best way to fight Islam is to read the Quran and use it to expose Muslim lies. If it is burnt people cannot even read it to learn why you want to burn it or why Muslims act how they do. Please inform yourself with it don't burn it and let Terry Jones know that he makes Christians look bad him and his allies at Westborow.

Kangaroo said...

Jeremiah 4:10

Then I said, "Ah, Sovereign LORD, how completely you have deceived this people and Jerusalem by saying, 'You will have peace,' when the sword is at our throats."

Ah, alright, thank you.

Anyways,the Jews trying to get Jesus (as) were tricked into thinking they caught him, instead they caught someone else who looked similar to him, possibly one of his disciples, WHO KNEW THE TRUTH ABOUT JESUS ASCENDING TO THE HEAVENS TOWARDS GOD, only those that were already deceived, those that rejected Jesus from the beginnnig spread the lie that he died...and then resurrected. Mary (ra) saw her son, Jesus (as) ascending towards the sky, and she cried. That is the true story. The false one being Jesus is Lord? and that this man, is 335 of a trinity, or God Himself..

Mkvine said...


I'm still waiting for you to prove that human beings come from a "clot of blood."

donna60 said...

If you want to call Terry Woods dangerous for burning a Koran, then you must be willing to also condemn what the first century Christians did in Ephesus as well

Acts 19:17-20
17 The story of what happened spread quickly all through Ephesus, to Jews and Greeks alike. A solemn fear descended on the city, and the name of the Lord Jesus was greatly honored. 18 Many who became believers confessed their sinful practices. 19 A number of them who had been practicing sorcery brought their incantation books and burned them at a public bonfire. The value of the books was several million dollars. 20 So the message about the Lord spread widely and had a powerful effect.

Fernando said...

Kangaroo... you're joking srounde ain't you? the other possibilitie is thate you're simply an ignorant teenager full off lies in its head... in this latter case just a warning: do not keep comming to this blogg because you'll gett in touch aboutte islam and you'll simply want to leave it and you know whatt thate mean, don't you? dead for apostasy...

Kangaroo said...

Fernando, thank you for telling me about yourself.

Alright, you want to know what the Quran means when it says "clot of blood"....visit the website:

That should destroy the silly lies made by The Loonies.

John 8:24 said...

Kangroo said, "I'm typically an open minded person, but when people start misquoting and mistranslating verses from the Quran and twisting them.."

Oh yes, you are very open-minded (seems to me more likely to be spelled as b-r-a-i-n-w-a-s-h-e-d) indeed!

First question: Did you watch any of those videos?

Second: Wasn't it obvious for you that the videos show that it is the MUSLIMS who mistranslate, twist and lie about Quranic verses? Which part did you not understand?

Third: Do you still claim the Quranic Black Hole miracle, Hemoglobin miracle, fresh water miracle and so on?

Fourth: If yes, on what basis? Don't you realize how ridiculous these are?

Kangroo said, "All of those videos can be laughed at by my 11 yr old brother, who can msot likely refute that lie of the flat Earth in the Quran."

Is that the best defense you got for the so called "Quranic miracles"? So please tell me specifically, what is your little brother laughing about? Don't just throw platitudes and hide behind them (which Muslims are good at when cornered). If you are really open-minded, as you say you are, first respond with content and then have the courage to accept the truth when you realize that these "Quranic miracles" are indeed bogus.

God bless you.

donna60 said...

Kangaroo, you really are a hard worker! You are keeping up with a whole bunch of people coming at you all at once. I could never do that! no way!

Any chance we can watch you in a formal debate? You would be great defending your side.

Kangaroo said...

I agree with you brother John8:24, that some of the claims made by Muslims about the Quran indeed ARE bogus, and I myself can't help but chuckle. But things like the embryology in the Quran, which Keith Moore had to update his textbooks because of the accuracy, is just impossible to shrug away as "plagiarism" especially when you compare the different thoeries back then. If you're having doubts:

It goes into DETAIL about the Indian's, Hippocrates, and Galen's theories of the embryonic development.

I don't blame you when you deny the BOGUS claims by Muslims because they can be quite hilarious. However things like an expanding universe, the water barrier, embryology, etc...Just can't ignore them unless one is very prejudice and filled with notions.

@donna. Maybe when I'm older? Lol....

In the meantime, I don't want people being BRAINWASHED by The Loonies.

Especially when Quran verses are being misquoted, interpreted, and people won't even go to the scholars, and take their own wrong view on things.

Mkvine said...


Try typing in your website link again, its not working. Also, I noticed that the title is "ISLAMIC medicine" keyword being "islamic." Gee, what a great way of presenting a neutral and unbiased view (sarcasm). And by the way, I've read what these islamic websites had to say on the clot of blood and I can safely say that they did not do a good job of proving it. Also, next time I would advise you to bring forth a medical or science journal that has been *peer reviewd* that says human beings come from a clot of blood. Kangaroo, honestly think for you really think that a human being developes INSIDE a blood vessel or a vein? You know that blood clots are found *inside* the blood vessels or veins of legs, arms, head, pretty much anywhere in your body. Are you seriously suggesting that if a blood clot is found in the blood vessel of a Hand, that a human being will develop from that Hand? Or develop from a leg? Heck, will he develop from the head? Have you ever seen a woman give birth from her hand. Also, blood clots are common to BOTH men and women. Does that mean that men can all of a sudden give birth to babies? Remember you said humans come from blood clots. Men certainly have blood clots. Therefore, according to your logic, men can give birth to babies...That is truly "loonie." I already explained to you what the difference is between a zygote and a blood clot, but you didn't refute anything.

Traeh said...

I don't believe Kangaroo should be invited to a debate. I think perhaps he should be confined to a psychiatric hospital or a prison. I think he is a danger to non-Muslims. When core Islamic texts are cited to him, together with links to those texts or to a university website, texts showing Muhammad murdering, raping, beheading, and seeking to subjugate non-Muslims as inferiors under Islamic rule, Kangaroo remains completely supportive of Muhammad. To me, Kangaroo talks like one criminally insane. If he is an alien, I might support his being charged with sedition and kicked out of the country. If he's a citizen of a non-Muslim state, I might support his being charged with treason, and imprisoned. The number of people is growing who agree with me about people like Kangaroo. But the West is perhaps not yet determined to avoid suicide.

Fernando said...

Mr kangarro...

thats to place some words directed to me... thats allows me to say more things to you...

1) my words say less abouute me than the false name you use to place cooments arounde here; more; they only reflect your calims, nothing else, nothing more;

2) are you not hable to place your arguments arounde here? do you not habe personal arguments? can't you defend your positions arounde here? do you knedd to redirect us to the typical (we all know them because they are an extraordinary example off the muslim mindset: they are full off lies; rethorical vacuity; historical rewrittings; logical stupididity?) muslim sites? whate are you affraide off? don't you habe personal and solid arguments?;

3) don't you realise, young man, thate you are just shooting bullits into your feet? everything you're posting here is like to trie to build castles withe air: thay lack all the consistency... butt iff you want to continue to debate any theme you want arounde here, I'm willing to do so: I eben give you the opportunity to chose the theme (you can stick to it, can't you? I habe my doubts, butt I'll gibe you the chance to proobe me wrong... as a former muslims, thate I am I think this is going to bee bery educational to all muslims readers off this blogg)...

my prayers to our commun God (teh Holy Trinity) are granted to you and your kangaroo familie...

Kangaroo said...

Dear Traeh,

I know for a fact that you're an intelligent human being, but I have no clue what you're talking about. ^^^

Kangaroo said...

Mkvine: This goes into FULL DETAIL.

I hope this will erase all of your doubts. It compares the Galen, Indian, and Hippocrates teachings of embryolgoy with the Quran.
Have fun

John 8:24 said...

Kangroo said, "I agree with you brother John8:24, that some of the claims made by Muslims about the Quran indeed ARE bogus, and I myself can't help but chuckle."

You didn't answer all my questions but it is really good to see you admit that some of the claims made by Muslims about the Quran are bogus! Ok, so lets get the bogus claims out of the way. Please list the "Quranic miracles" claimed by Muslims that according to you are bogus so we don't have to talk about them.


Mkvine said...


I don't really care about ancient concepts of embryology. I want you to show me what MODERN SCIENCE says about Human beings forming from a clot of blood. If you could show me a reputable scholar or a medical journal that has been *peer reviewed* that says human beings come from clots of blood, then we can talk. Until you do so, I suggest you keep researching. Kangaroo, really think about this without a you really think human beings develop INSIDE a blood vessel or vein? If that is the case, then every woman would have a stroke, as there would be an intteruption of blood to the brain. Not only that, as the embryo grows, it would burst the blood vessel and every woman would die from a hemorrhage. Not only that, apparentely MEN can become pregnant too! Remember your logic would lead to this: human beings have blood clots; men have blood clots; babies come develop from blood clots; therefore, men can get pregnant when they have blood clots. If that's what you believe, then you have done a horrible job of convincing the scientific community and people with common sense that the Quran is true.

Traeh said...

Kangaroo said that under Islam,

At least you get to keep your churches and snyagogues. (sic)

Yes. Just don't dare try to repair them or build new ones, or you might run into trouble with Islamic law and its enforcers.

It's as if Islamic law were saying, "We would never strangle you non-Muslims. You can exhale any time you wish. All we require is that you never breathe in again.

Fernando said...

Mr kangarro... so: what is the theme you want to debate here without redirecting me to off-site links? I'm waitting dear fellow... the chance to proobe you're right is in your hands; your silence, on the other hand, is in God's, the Holy Trinity's hand... many blessings...

John 8:24 said...

Kangroo, I am still waiting for your response....

donna60 said...

Traeh, It is the definition of a Muslim that they believe in all that you say, but it would be good if he had a chance to put his arguements out there in a public forum.

Right now he can claim that he was overwhelmed by the arguments of everyone coming at him at once.

Once he has to organize his arguements, we can watch to see how it goes.

AyodhyaPrasad Tripathi said...

Secular Allah of Hamid Ansari, the Vice President of India, boasts for being a terrorist {(Koran 8:12) and killer (Koran 8:17)} and permits incest (Koran 33:37-38). Secular Allah claims that he deceives humanity, (Koran 9:3) assassinates humanity, (Koran 9:5) slays humanity, (Koran 8:17) dupes humanity, ambushes humanity, (Koran 9:3) robs humanity, (Koran 8:1) condones rape of women, (Koran 23:6) enslaves women, Children, and even his own worshippers, commits murder, (Koran 8:17) genocide, (Koran 8:39) sadistic tortures, terrorism, warmongering, (Koran 2:216; 8:65 and 67) etc. on the pretext that one does not worship Allah alone.
Secular Allah's good Muslim becomes Jihadist i.e. crusader of Islam, a man who leaves his home, sacrificing his wealth and life, fighting in Allah’s Cause. (Koran, 8:72). That cause is destroying all faiths save Islam. (Koran 8:39). Allah says they (Muslims) will be rewarded with stolen booty (Koran, 8:1, 69 and 41) and women to rape (Koran, 23:6) of the victim/s, if they survive or with a heavenly BROTHEL (Koran, 37:47-49 and 76:19-21) if they die. Bad Muslims, on the other hand, are peaceful. Allah calls them “hypocrites”, because they are unwilling to fight. (Koran, 3:167). He even says that peaceful Muslims are “the vilest of creatures” and that hell’s hottest fires await them. [Koran 16:70] If you are a peace-loving Muslim, may note, your Allah hates you. Muslims have no shame that they submit to dreaded incest monger, (Koran 33:37-38) assassin and robber Allah. (Koran, 8:1 and 17). Good Muslims are those, who relinquished liberty in lieu of booty and sex. Look! This is secularism. Democrats say, "This is peaceful coexistence and religious tolerance!"

DeucePrez said...


There are more Islamaphobes (who know nothing about Islam) posting about Islam than Muslims (who actually practice the faith)!

Any Islamaphobe can quote from the Qur'an or Hadith out of context or without understanding of what they are quoting.

This ought to relive Kangaroo from the onslaught (of course, they'll now attack me)....

Bfoali said...

I support Jones right to burn the Quran. I'm not sure who said it, nor am I sure about the exact wording, but as Jefferson once said '' I would rather be offended because of too much liberty, than because of too little.''

Sir Oscar Whiskey said...

Barnhardt demands Free Speech but controls but restricts it on her blog by contrlloing the comments allowed.

terriergal said...

The Book burning you are leery of (rightly) is an effort to rid people of ALL the books which contain that message. It doesn't seem like the symbolic burning of a Quran is intended to do the same thing. It is a statement against the ideas contained therein. I am as sure as I can be that she would not condone removing all the Qurans from the world, but preserve them as a negative object lesson.

terriergal said...

Anne Barnhardt fails the first clause of Phil.1:27. We must make our stand against this evil AND ALWAYS, ALWAYS present The Gospel, The Good News of Eternal Salvation.

She's talking about a political system/politics, necessarily referencing religion but it is not her focus.

She does mention salvation in a general way when in the Quran burning video she talks about Robert Mapelthorpe. Obviously we are going to differ on some things (lots of things) because she is Catholic, but what she is saying about the influence of Islam on politics is darned right.

Hey Kangaroo, twisting Islamic Scriptures to make them mean something violent? Why don't you take up that gripe with the people that are actually doing that, like Al Qaeda and the Muslim brotherhood and others like it? I would bet they know it in the original Arabic.

Or go to the Green Mosque in London and complain to them. Take a look at the Undercover Mosque episodes from BBC TV. Or watch MEMRI and spare a nickel to buy yourself a clue.

Anonymous said...

"Great" arab inventions. Obama’s Cairo speech

Muhammad, founder of Islam and author of Koran, was mentally sick psychopath and pedophile, he had married a 6-year old girl and raped her when she was 9. Muhammad could not read and write. While in seizure, he uttered disjointed phrases, which his followers represented as Allah divine afflatus. This is the history of Islam that muslims and “honest and free” western media would not like you to know. These facts show that islam is not a religion, but a cult.
Read: “History of Middle Ages” Professor Nikolay A. Osokin, Textbook (in Russian), Publishing house: Imperial University Printing Office, Kazan, 1888, 771 pp.; Publisher: ACT, Harvest, Moscow, 2008, 672 pp. (reprint)
In his Cairo speech, Obama accredited to arabs all fundamental inventions human race made over centuries. None of the Obama mentioned is true, as every person graduated from credible high school knows. However, it does not mean that arabs, great nation with centuries of history, has no inventions critical for human life. They have and here they are:
1. Ethnic Cleansing - invented centuries ago, implemented over 2000 years ago in Israel when they occupied Israel and disseminated Jews around the world; from 1948 through 1953 arab countries expelled a million Jews and stole their properties; in 1974, Turkish armed forces invaded Cyprus, captured 36 percent of its territory, partitioned the island, implemented a policy of “ethnic cleansing” and sent close to 200,000 Greek Cypriots southward as refugees who lost their property, desecrated churches and cemeteries, and in 1983 declared the northern Turkish Republic of Cyprus; in 1999, Kosovo Liberation Army stormed homes of the last 15 Jews in Kosovo’s capital, who had to clear out, with just the clothes on their backs; recently, Jews in Yemen were under attack and have been relocated to Britain.
2. Genocide – invented by Turks and implemented in 1915–1917 in Armenia: over 1.5 mln. Armenians, including children, died.
3. Holocaust – invented by Haj Amin al Husseini, the Mufti of Jerusalem, in 1920s in Palestine (occupied territory of the State of Israel); implemented in Palestine in 1920s-30s; in 1941, Haj Amin al Husseini brought the Holocaust idea to Hitler and helped him to implement Holocaust in Europe 1941-45; he organized in Europe two islamofascist brigades that operated under SS control, had their own concentration camp, and killed tens of thousand of Europeans, including Jews.
Islam is based on three fundamental principles:
1. Stealing
2. Killing, and
3. Lying
Koran says:
"Slay them wherever you find them. Fight against them till idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme" (Sura 2:190),
"Seek out your enemies relentlessly" (Sura 4:103),
"Make war on them till idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme" (Sura 8:36),
"When the sacred months are over slay the unbelievers wherever you find them. Arrest them, beseige them and lie in ambush everywhere for them" (Sura 9:5),
"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you" (Sura 9:121),
"When you meet the unbelievers on the battlefield strike off their heads" (Sura 47:3),
"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate" (Sura 66:7).
Koran is Islamic Mein Kamf. Islam is fascist cult and must be eliminated from the earth.

mrren@summ@BB#1 said...

Hi all,
I'm a muslim..
It's been good to see some of us starting to read some verses from Al Quran.
I think I have a website where can answer all you mislead translations. By the way, English is not sufficient enough to translate Al Quran. That's why some of your translations need to be refer to the Expert.
Even an Arab cannot just translate any verse in Al Quran without knowing the classic Arab language.
So I'm sharing with you all this link so you can ask any questions to the experts. There's audio/video/text for your knowledge.

I hope since you already saw/heard your side of story, you should listen/read our side of story from our experts among your people. They have better understanding about how to deliver the words to you.

May Allah bless Jesus/Isa(pbuh).
May Allah bless Muhammad(pbuh)

Darlene Scott Brenot said...

ANN, i and many like me will STAND BY YOUR SIDE!
islam is an evil religion!!!!!
Let us remember, only WITHOUT formal Education could a pathetic population believe this silly book of allah!
I am the Christian majoroty, and if anyone believes Christians will lay down THEY ARE TRULY FOOLS!

***Muslims--repent, redeem your soul, worship the only Saviour of this world - save your people from the wrath you soon will see. Jesus Christ reigns this world--not your mohammed or allah!
Do not be fooled believing you or your allah are strong--you will die without mercy at the hand of the Almighty God.


Unknown said...

There is good...There is evil...there is love...there is hate...there is God saving humankind...there is humankind preserving an evil alla...what more is there to say. Everything Christians believe is the opposite in islamic politics (teirs is not a religion)..Funny, the Devil does this as well...whatever God decrees as good, the Devil does the opposite. The two will never meet. Long awaiting Jesus who overcame all evil and gave us salvation by his blood and it is HE whom will set it all aright. Timing is everything! Just Wait!

Alphageek said...

I know very little about Islam. I know more about Christianity and the subset of it, Judaism because I was spoon-fed the Christian doctrine growing up. Being a logical thinker, there were always a lot of gaping holes in the story, and things that just plain don't make sense. It wasn't until I took European history in High School and saw how the Church was all about a few wealthy men clinging to power and deciding what the religion was going to look like that I really started to question it all. Now, I am spiritual, but don't follow any organized religion. That said, I do support the right of people to continue to let others think for them if that's what they want, but I SO wish they would think for themselves.

Here's what I think it all boils down to: Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Shintoism, Taoism, whatever.... The problem is, and always has been that everyone sees everyone else as different. Every religion seems to claim sole legitimacy and the high ground, and claim that theirs is the "one true religion," and woe to any who don't believe.

It's utter nonsense. Unless and until ALL people discover (remember, some would say) that they are and always have not only been made in God's image, they ARE Gods, the problems will continue. It's all about control, and we all need to throw it off and just think. If prayer is you talking to whatever you think of as God, silence is God talking back. Here's an idea: Shut up and listen.

Be who you are, and let others be who they are. Everything you need to be happy you learned in Kindergarten. Don't let your life be run be some book or somebody who claims to know what the book says. You have the more right to interpret your life than they do. Take back control. Think, or better yet, clear your mind and just BE.

The answers are within you, and they always have been. I wish you and all creatures on this planet peace.

David Hoff said...


Unknown said...

What do you recommend as a good/best version/translation of the quran and the hadith? Although I have followed this invasion for some 25 years now, and have an electronic version of the quran, I'd like to have a hard copy of each. It's quite astounding, that a religion with a history as violent at every level, and has only horrified the world since its inception in the 7th century could be embraced by so many. The answer to this is very telling and should frighten everyone.