Friday, March 19, 2010

Sam and David on "Jesus or Muhammad" this Weekend!

It's that time again. Sam and I will be on three episodes of "Jesus or Muhammad" this weekend. If you don't get the satellite channel, you can watch online here (click on the "Watch Live" button). Be sure to tune in!

Saturday, March 20th
11:00 P.M. (Eastern Standard Time)

Sunday, March 21st
8:00 P.M.
11:00 P.M.

31 comments:

Adam said...

Dear Brother David,

Pls request ABNsat's Digital Media or New Media wing to be active.
Atleast upload the highlights of the program on YouTube, Dailymotion etc.

Another thing, why dont Acts17 also come on GOD tv. As it has a wider reach.

Adam

David Wood said...

Adam,

Why not check with GodTV to see if they'd like to broadcast the program live as well? That way, we reach both ABN's viewers and GodTV's viewers.

Adam said...

Dear Brother David,

I have send mails regarding New Programs to GOD tv. Especially Mission to muslims.

GOD tv boast about its availability In Hindu India BUT majority of the viewers are Christians and 90% Bible Christians, Protestants and Believers. Same With Islamic countries eg Egypt.

Also during the Healing crusades In India 90% of attendees are Christian of all denomination. But I remember the promos of these crusades are made in such a way, as if 90% attendees were Hindus.

Bro David,
Bro David these are more Muslim In India than Saudi Arabia or USA.
Me and many others are there to support mission to muslims.

GreekAsianPanda said...

I'll be watching! Can't wait =)

Once, I was viewing the show online and my little sister came into the room to see what I was watching. She told me that she thought pastor Joseph and David made really dramatic hand gestures...lol

minoria said...

I will watch also.I can see it all this time.And Adam,thanks for your ideas,together we can all make even more of a difference.ALI SINA has written that often(not always)when a Muslim reacts violently to something one says about Islam,Mohammed,Koran,it's because there is real doubt and often it takes years till the person leaves Islam.He also said the following(this is an EX-MUSLIM talking):that if X critique has no effect,critique another area of Islam,and so on,because there is always some aspect that is the weak point.And having touched it,it opens the person to really beginning to leave Islam.

The Fat Man said...

All right its clobbering time. I cant wait.

Do any of you bloggers know how to set up your blog so the oldest posts stay on top in blogger?

minoria said...

Hello:

Things are moving.I saw the show last night.They showed the video with Negeen's interesting testimony,very lively and charming.Great as always David.David said most people who leave Islam keep it quiet but some,like Negeen,who is now 18,are public.The reason is people can be killed.

NW AUTHOR IN AVRAIDIRE.EU

Mr.HUGH WATT,who coments here,is now a contributing author to AVRAIDIRE.EU.I found out yesterday to my satisfaction and surprise.

Yes,his first article was SHARIA(PBUY)?.The founder of the blog,Mr.Antoine Martin,wrote in WELCOME TO A NEW AUTHOR(March 20):
"A warm welcome to Hugh Watt who is joining us on “à vrai dire”. He’s been intervening a few times via the comments box but he will from now on also write articles for this blog. It’s fantastic to have him on board. I’m sure you will enjoy his posts.
This is the link to his first one.
If you’re interested to write for this blog, just contact me using the comments box- after considering your application I will get back to you directly by email."

The reason I am saying all this is because I know there are many here (like Nakdimon,Shafsha and others)who know the HADITHS very well(they even say the volume,book,etc).If they are interested they can contact via the comment box,and now and then contribute an article with"According to Mohammed in hadiths considered authentic,he said and did..."
And Mr.Antoine Martin can have my and even more impressively,David and Nabeel's confirmation,that they REALLY KNOW what they are talking about.Just information if any are intersted in writing and being read by even more people in another blog.The blog avraidire.eu is in Englsh and French.To see the English articles click on "a vrai dire in English" and the blog has alot of nice photos,very attractive,with an average of 250 readers a day.

Adam said...

Dear Brother Minoria,

Today again I mailed GOD tv but no reply.

Recently I met a Christian pastor who boost of getting many Hindus to Christ. I asked him what have you done to get the muslim to Christ. I was shocked to hear stupid excuses.

1)They are our brothers they are Ishmaelites

2) Even they respect Jesus.

3)They are not ready to listen.

4)They are fanatic We just need to pray for them.

minoria said...

Hello Adam:

I commend you for your efforts.I hope they respond eventually.Hmm,what I can do is to recommend ABN,and tell how to get to the Jesus or Mohammed shows in English(when I write for avraidire.eu).

They already have permanent links there to:

answering-islam.org
answering-islam(in French)
faithfreedom.org
jihadwatch.org
answering-muslims.com

I will have to suggest answeringinfidels.org
confidentchristianity.com
jewsforjesus
the website of Dr.Michael Brown
And keep at it.

Sepher Shalom said...

Adam,

What email address (or addresses) did you write to? If you can post them here I will let my thoughts on these issues be known as well. Perhaps if enough people raise the issue the folks over there will actually begin to consider the issue in a serious manner.

Sepher Shalom said...

My quick responses to the points Adam raised as coming from this pastor would be:

"1)They are our brothers they are Ishmaelites"

Even if this were true, where in Scripture are we told to withhold the Gospel from Ishmaelites? Did not our Lord and Messiah explicitly say to His fellow Jews, of the Covenant, that lineage from Abraham will not save anyone? (Matt. 3:9) How much more then we must we reach the "Ishmaelites", who are without knowledge of any Covenant in our Holy Scriptures, with the message of the Gospel.

"2) Even they respect Jesus."

Calling our Lord, who is eternally existent, was the author of creation, and whom shares the Throne of Glory forever and ever, a mere "prophet" or "messenger" is not respect. Calling Yeshua the Messiah, in the true Hebraic and Biblical sense of the word, does not exist in Islamic theology. At best, we can say they have a fabricated persona which they claim is Yeshua. Explicit denial of the Sonship of our Lord, and the Fatherhood of the Father is core to Islamic theology (Quran, Al-Ikhlas 112:3), and according to 1 John 2:22-23 is antichrist theology. Furthermore, Muslims deny the death, resurrection and deity of Jesus. This is the heart and core of the Gospel message. How can you say that anyone who denies these three things "respects" Yeshua?

"3)They are not ready to listen."

Where in Scripture are we told we should wait until people are "ready to listen" before we preach the Gospel to them? Based on what evidence do you determine to know they aren't ready? Can you honestly believe not one Muslim in India is ready for the Gospel? How about 10? How about 100? How many souls must it take before fulfilling the great commission of our Lord and Master is put into action?

"4)They are fanatic We just need to pray for them."

Certainly we must pray for Muslims, as we must pray for all people who are lost. I find your characterization that Muslims are "fanatic" to be a hasty generalization. Furthermore, what do you mean by "fanatic"? Do you mean that they take their book and their religion very seriously? If this is the case imagine what wonderful servants of the Messiah Yeshua these people can make once His love and power changes their heart? In addition, it is precisely because of the fanatics and the violent within the ranks of Islam that we must evangelize them. The only hope we have to bring peace to these people, and to our world, is to preach to them the message of the Gospel, which drives away all fear, anger, and violence.

My final question is: Why should we show less love for the Muslims in India than we do for the Hindus in India? God is no respecter of persons, and neither should we be.

----

I would love a chance to correspond with this brother and walk him through the relevant portions of the Quran that correct his preconceived notion that Muslims have a great respect for our Messiah, or that they are anything other than creatures in rebellion against their Creator (just like all other non believers).

Sepher Shalom said...

Was able to watch both Sunday shows. You guys did a tremendous job, by the grace of our Messiah!

Your points were all completely clear. Sam, if you happen to see the blog, thanks for your response to my question about John 14 in light of Al-Baqarah 2:107. I think it shows how much effort you put into representing the positions of Islam accurately.

I especially liked the defense of the deity of Yeshua in the second show, and how you were interacting with the argumentation of Zakir Naik. I really hope their will be more of that in the future!

minoria said...

JESUS AS GOD IN ACTS

Great show.I am especially grateful for the info by Sam Shamoun about ACTS 9:14-21 and its relation to JOEL 2:32(and OT saints ONLY calling on the NAME of God/and how it relates to CHRISTIANS calling on the NAME of Jesus/and how that's why PAUL hated them and how it shows the Christians regarded Jesus as GOD)
.I have added it to my notes.It answers SHABIR ALLY's allegation that the first Christians only saw Jesus as a man.Thank you for the great,powerful insight.

ABN PUBLICIZED ON AVRAIDIRE.EU

ADAM,I wrote an article in French,a short one,called "Les Paroles des Anges aussi dans le Coran"(The words of angels also in the Koran) that has appeared TODAY(22 March).There at the bottom I give links to ABN(Aramaic Broadcasting Network Satellite's)website/also the link to the 31 VIDEOS of the JESUS OR MUHAMMED programs/another link to the video of the ABN program"Corruption of the Koran"/another about "Muhammed in the Bible?"

I'm grateful to the owner of the blog Antoine Martin for letting me publicize ABNsatellite in the article.So ADAM,things are moving.To verify my publicity of ABNsatellite just go to:

http://www.avraidire.eu/2010/03/les-paroles-des-anges-aussi-dans-le-coran/

or simply write: avraidire.eu and the article is the first one there (you can't miss it,there's a picture of an ANGEL in it.)

Negeen said...

Just a thought-
Maybe you guys could do an episode on Taqiyya, how Muhammad and his followers used the practice of taqiyya to murder people, to win wars etc... and how muslims now follow that example and use taqiyya in todays age.

hugh watt said...

Watched the debate with Professor Wood & Ali Ataie. I see the old line about 'Jesus can't be God because God can not be tempted,' was dragged out once more.

James 1v13; "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:"

By the same rule of reasoning then God can not be God because:

Deut'6v16; "Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah."!!!

I wonder, if Muhammad had W.M.D, would he have used them against his enemies? Glad he never,i wouldn't be able to sleep tonight. Just a thought.

hugh watt said...

Oh, one last thing. Jesus never for one moment thought He was demon possessed, nor did He ever become suicidal. He did however cast demons out of people!

LouisJ-B said...

How about a show on the "golden" age of Islamic spain.

minoria said...

Hello Hugh:
I am rewatching the ATAIE-WOOD debate on "Who is Muhammed?".I added some things to my notes.David is very good.Only thing he didn't answer was when Ataie quoted NUMBERS and said God in the OT authorized the rape of thousands of virgins.I had addresses that issue before,the text nowhere mentions rape.

IN FACT
Having sex with another woman(virgin or not) if married was against MOSAIC LAW,already given on Mt Sinai before the incident in Numbers.Also having sex without being married was also condemned,also Leviticus 19 says to love your neighbor/foreigner like yourself.Either God is going to totally contradict himself or not.

minoria said...

By the way I wrote an article on Ben Laden and sura 9:111 (in English)for avraidire.eu which was posted and there I gave links(just like in the French article)to ABN's website,to the 31 videos of "Jesus or Muhammed",to 2 videos(Corruption of the Koran/Muhammed in the Bible?)with David and Sam.It's so the English readers can also become familiarized with ABN and the "Jesus or Muhammed" program.Together we can all make a difference,at least it's worth trying.

hugh watt said...

Minoria, i thought the same thing when Ataie mentioned 'rape'. This is why we need to check what these people say and not assume they are telling the truth. I have more to say on this debate. Keep up the good work.

Hiwot said...

Thanks to God for ABN’s new website. I was able to watch the show live on both days. I pray to God to give you wisdom and more knowledge to explain the word of God more clearly and to expose the darkness of the world.

Ahmed the young man (I believe he said on the other show that he is from California and he is 17 years old) called to the show again and this time he was more calm and seems serious to learn the true God and I liked your answers. That was great. I also hope to see one day that Manu believes in the Lord Jesus as his savior.

Keep up the good work. May God bless you abundantly!

hugh watt said...

Pt:1. It may seem on the face of it, that God is acting in a manner that can be taken as quite barbaric when we read passages on the O.T wars. However, unlike Muhammad's wars which benefited him personally, there are explanations for why He ordered such measures against certain peoples. Take the case of the Amalekites.

Exodus 17v8-16; Then came Amalek, and fought with Israel in Rephidim.
9.And Moses said unto Joshua, Choose us out men, and go out, fight with Amalek: tomorrow I will stand on the top of the hill with the rod of God in mine hand.
10.So Joshua did as Moses had said to him, and fought with Amalek: and Moses, Aaron, and Hur went up to the top of the hill.
11.And it came to pass, when Moses held up his hand, that Israel prevailed: and when he let down his hand, Amalek prevailed.
12.But Moses hands were heavy; and they took a stone, and put it under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady until the going down of the sun.
13.And Joshua discomfited Amalek and his people with the edge of the sword.
14.And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book, and rehearse it in the ears of Joshua: for I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.
15.And Moses built an altar, and called the name of it Jehovahnissi:
16.For he said, Because the LORD hath sworn that the LORD will have war with Amalek from generation to generation.

Now, God knows the end from the beginning. He knows what man is capable of. This text alone does not give the full picture, so we need to read further on.

Deuteronomy 25:17-19:
17.Remember what Amalek did unto thee by the way, when ye were come forth out of Egypt;
18.How he met thee by the way, and smote the hindmost of thee, even all that were feeble behind thee, when thou wast faint and weary; and he feared not God.
19.Therefore it shall be, when the LORD thy God hath given thee rest from all thine enemies round about, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it, that thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget it.

It's not looking too good on 'Jesus', as Ali Ataie might put it. But wait, STOP PRESS! There's more. To be continued.....

hugh watt said...

Pt:2. In 1:Samuel 15, the picture begins to become clearer.

1 Samuel 15
1.Samuel also said unto Saul, The LORD sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the LORD.
2.Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3.Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
4.And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.
5.And Saul came to a city of Amalek, and laid wait in the valley.
6.And Saul said unto the Kenites, Go, depart, get you down from among the Amalekites, lest I destroy you with them: for ye shewed kindness to all the children of Israel, when they came up out of Egypt. So the Kenites departed from among the Amalekites.
7.And Saul smote the Amalekites from Havilah until thou comest to Shur, that is over against Egypt.
8.And he took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.
9.But Saul and the people spared Agag, and the best of the sheep, and of the oxen, and of the fatlings, and the lambs, and all that was good, and would not utterly destroy them: but every thing that was vile and refuse, that they destroyed utterly.
10.Then came the word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying,
11.It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night.
12.And when Samuel rose early to meet Saul in the morning, it was told Samuel, saying, Saul came to Carmel, and, behold, he set him up a place, and is gone about, and passed on, and gone down to Gilgal.
13.And Samuel came to Saul: and Saul said unto him, Blessed be thou of the LORD: I have performed the commandment of the LORD.
14.And Samuel said, What meaneth then this bleating of the sheep in mine ears, and the lowing of the oxen which I hear?
15.And Saul said, They have brought them from the Amalekites: for the people spared the best of the sheep and of the oxen, to sacrifice unto the LORD thy God; and the rest we have utterly destroyed.
16.Then Samuel said unto Saul, Stay, and I will tell thee what the LORD hath said to me this night. And he said unto him, Say on.
17.And Samuel said, When thou wast little in thine own sight, wast thou not made the head of the tribes of Israel, and the LORD anointed thee king over Israel?
18.And the LORD sent thee on a journey, and said, Go and utterly destroy the sinners the Amalekites, and fight against them until they be consumed.
19.Wherefore then didst thou not obey the voice of the LORD, but didst fly upon the spoil, and didst evil in the sight of the LORD?
20.And Saul said unto Samuel, Yea, I have obeyed the voice of the LORD, and have gone the way which the LORD sent me, and have brought Agag the king of Amalek, and have utterly destroyed the Amalekites.
21.But the people took of the spoil, sheep and oxen, the chief of the things which should have been utterly destroyed, to sacrifice unto the LORD thy God in Gilgal.
22.And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
23.For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

To be continued....

hugh watt said...

Pt:3...24.And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice.
25.Now therefore, I pray thee, pardon my sin, and turn again with me, that I may worship the LORD.
26.And Samuel said unto Saul, I will not return with thee: for thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, and the LORD hath rejected thee from being king over Israel.
27.And as Samuel turned about to go away, he laid hold upon the skirt of his mantle, and it rent.
28.And Samuel said unto him, The LORD hath rent the kingdom of Israel from thee this day, and hath given it to a neighbour of thine, that is better than thou.
29.And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.
30.Then he said, I have sinned: yet honour me now, I pray thee, before the elders of my people, and before Israel, and turn again with me, that I may worship the LORD thy God.
31.So Samuel turned again after Saul; and Saul worshipped the LORD.
32.Then said Samuel, Bring ye hither to me Agag the king of the Amalekites. And Agag came unto him delicately. And Agag said, Surely the bitterness of death is past.
33.And Samuel said, As thy sword hath made women childless, so shall thy mother be childless among women. And Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the LORD in Gilgal.

So, Saul is given specific commands and fails to obey them.

To be continued...

hugh watt said...

Pt:4. God knows the end from the beginning. He is the Boss, we are His creatures. He gives the orders, we obey. What did Saul do? His own thing!
Notice v6, this was not an indiscriminate raid on anybody, but a specific command to attack a particular people, for a particular reason.

Esther 3
1.After these things did king Ahasuerus promote Haman the son of Hammedatha the Agagite, and advanced him, and set his seat above all the princes that were with him.
2.And all the king's servants, that were in the king's gate, bowed, and reverenced Haman: for the king had so commanded concerning him. But Mordecai bowed not, nor did him reverence.
3.Then the king's servants, which were in the king's gate, said unto Mordecai, Why transgressest thou the king's commandment?
4.Now it came to pass, when they spake daily unto him, and he hearkened not unto them, that they told Haman, to see whether Mordecai's matters would stand: for he had told them that he was a Jew.
5.And when Haman saw that Mordecai bowed not, nor did him reverence, then was Haman full of wrath.
6.And he thought scorn to lay hands on Mordecai alone; for they had shewed him the people of Mordecai: wherefore Haman sought to destroy all the Jews that were throughout the whole kingdom of Ahasuerus, even the people of Mordecai.
7.In the first month, that is, the month Nisan, in the twelfth year of king Ahasuerus, they cast Pur, that is, the lot, before Haman from day to day, and from month to month, to the twelfth month, that is, the month Adar.
8.And Haman said unto king Ahasuerus, There is a certain people scattered abroad and dispersed among the people in all the provinces of thy kingdom; and their laws are diverse from all people; neither keep they the king's laws: therefore it is not for the king's profit to suffer them.
9.If it please the king, let it be written that they may be destroyed: and I will pay ten thousand talents of silver to the hands of those that have the charge of the business, to bring it into the king's treasuries.
10.And the king took his ring from his hand, and gave it unto Haman the son of Hammedatha the Agagite, the Jews' enemy.
11.And the king said unto Haman, The silver is given to thee, the people also, to do with them as it seemeth good to thee.
12.Then were the king's scribes called on the thirteenth day of the first month, and there was written according to all that Haman had commanded unto the king's lieutenants, and to the governors that were over every province, and to the rulers of every people of every province according to the writing thereof, and to every people after their language; in the name of king Ahasuerus was it written, and sealed with the king's ring.
13.And the letters were sent by posts into all the king's provinces, to destroy, to kill, and to cause to perish, all Jews, both young and old, little children and women, in one day, even upon the thirteenth day of the twelfth month, which is the month Adar, and to take the spoil of them for a prey.
14.The copy of the writing for a commandment to be given in every province was published unto all people, that they should be ready against that day.
15.The posts went out, being hastened by the king's commandment, and the decree was given in Shushan the palace. And the king and Haman sat down to drink; but the city Shushan was perplexed.

To be continued...

hugh watt said...

Pt:5. Centuries later, after God had told Saul to wipe out EVERY Amalekite, what do we see in Esther ch'3v1! OH NOOOOOOOO!!!!
Read the entire story through, you now see God knows the end from the beginning. Haman would have known from his history the command the God of Israel gave to them concerning the Amalekites and wanted to do to the Jews what they should have done to his people. So much for a reformed character. The Esther story would not have been necessary if God's directive was carried out centuries earlier. V1,10, where 'Haman the Agagite the Jews enemy' is still on the scene, has not mellowed with age. Chapter 8v3,5, Haman had plans.
3.And Esther spake yet again before the king, and fell down at his feet, and besought him with tears to put away the mischief of Haman the Agagite, and his device that he had devised against the Jews.
5.And said, If it please the king, and if I have favour in his sight, and the thing seem right before the king, and I be pleasing in his eyes, let it be written to reverse the letters devised by Haman the son of Hammedatha the Agagite, which he wrote to destroy the Jews which are in all the king's provinces.

This was not some barbaric act carried out for the purpose of self-gain.

Sorry to drag on. That concludes this series.

hugh watt said...

Oh brother, i knew i missed something. See those 'Islamic Jihadists' who teach their little children hatred towards Jews, Christians and non-Muslims; now do you see why. Instead of teaching them love towards others, what do you think they will grow up to be like! We know the answer to that one don't we?

minoria said...

I would like to comment on the Wood-Ataie debate.Ataie shows great lack of knowledge on JEWISH interpretation of God in the OT/Tanakh.In reality he does NOT know the message of the OT.Or he does and is not interested in truth.

PATTERN/REPETITION

Ok,in the OT we see God punishing YET he is ever ready to RECONCILE,to ANNUL his punishment.
1.God was going to destroy Sodom and Gomora.Abraham convinced him to spare it if he found 10 just men.
LESSON:God is OPEN to reconciliation.
2.The same for Nineveh,with Jonah.

CANAANITES
The matter of the fact is the text says explicitely that they KNEW of the real,athentic miracles that happened in Egypt.They knew Yahweh was a real power.Yet they didn't repent.
WHAT IF?

Jesus were to appear in MECCA,do alot of miracles that can't be denied and say he is God,and he resurrected from the dead,and Mohammed was false.

THEN:
What if the hundreds of millions of Muslims ignore all that,say it doesn't mean anything.I say Jesus would be jusified in causing earthquakes and disease to take their lives.And in the process CHILDREN would die(like it happened in Egypt)but they would go to HEAVEN.The Muslims,like the Canaanites,would have had undeniable proof and time to repent and threw it away.

WHAT IF?
After millions of Muslims die,children and adults,a great multitude of Muslims finally accepts Jesus as God and asks for a stop to the punishment.I don't see why,based on the OT,God would deny it.As I said before,Ataie has to study Judaism,maybe he won't because he hates them being a Muslim.I wouldn't be surprised.

minoria said...

FORGOT TO ADD
When one reads world history one reads about CARTHAGE

CARTHAGE

It was a city near TUNIS,the capital of Tunisia,founded 800 AD by PHENICIANS.Reality check.The PHENICIANS were the SAME people as the Cananites.Same language,same culture,only difference was that one lived in LEBANON,the other in Palestine.Joshua began his elimination of them around 1300 BC I think.

SO?
Carthage was founded in 800 AD,some 500 YEARS after Joshua.It lasted till around 150 AD.They were Cananites.They have found the bones of 10,000 to 20,000 CHILDREN who had been SACRIFICED to their god Baal Hamon in those years.The OT condemns the Cananites for barbarism.It's true they INVENTED the ALPHABET around 1,500 BC but they were still cruel,savage.Now is it really astonishing God was angry?I wonder if Ataie knows history,and if he does,if he intellectually honest(like a Hindu or atheist or Jewish scholar)to accept facts that go against his debate arguments?Not likely,based on how Muslim intellectuals have written and acted.

Mary said...

Dear David, I would like to know your thoughts on The Shroud of Turin?..

Thanks!

Nakdimon said...

David,

I was watching the Jesus or muhammad program on the ABNSAT website (http://www.abnsat.com/abnnew/index.php?option=com_hwdvideoshare&task=viewvideo&Itemid=53&video_id=70) and it stops at 1:36:30 into the video. Downloaded it and tried to watch it again, but stopped at the exact same moment. I tried to report the video but no dice either. Maybe you can contact them to tell them that the video doesnt work properly.

Thanks,
Nakdimon