Wednesday, January 6, 2010

Washington D.C. Imam Declares That U.S. and Israel Are Framing Islam for Terrorism

I suppose when you grant that your God conspires to deceive people, it's not difficult to believe in even the wildest conspiracy theories. Somehow, all of this makes sense to Muslims.

12 comments:

Confident Christianity said...

I think we can find another country for this man if he hates the U.S. so much.........easy to see why he's on the no-fly list.

Roger Sharp

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

Hey David or Shamoun or whoever is competent to do this. Could you set up a public debate with this guy on these issues.

Sunil said...

If this man believes that all Islamist violence is done by Americans, CIA, Mossad etc, then it should be very easy for him to denounce all the acts of violence done in the name of Islam and to condemn those who are indulging in Islamist violence as sons of Satan, as anti-muslim people, ask them to be executed, curse them etc (as they normally curse America, Israel, Jews etc in their daily prayers). Why is he not doing that?

IslamSINS said...

If this Muslim fool were any dumber, he'd need to be placed under a Gro-Lite and watered 2X/week.

Ed said...

This repeated tendency of Muslims to blame the victims of Islam is I think on some level intentional. I think it is a second act of aggression, rather like the injurious aftershock of an already devastating earthquake. And some significant percentage of Muslims have certainly shown us that they have no compunction about doing the most brutal things. Blaming the victims of that brutality is perfectly in tune with the brutality itself. If they can cut off heads, pour acid on people's faces, kill their own daughters, blow up random people in airplanes, they are certainly not above shamelessly blaming the victims of those crimes. And how countless are the rape victims who, when they were so naive as tell Muslim authorities about the rape, found themselves put in jail, stoned, or executed for "adultery." I guess it's convenient. After all, when you blame the victim, then there is no need to reform, is there.

In Sahih Bukhari, the most canonical of hadith collections, Muhammad said, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."

Ed said...

Question for David: I'm trying to understand the idea that Jesus' sacrifice, death on the cross, saves mankind, redeems mankind from all the sins of mankind. Now, is the idea that the death of one man can redeem the sins of all mankind? Simply because that man was divine and sinless? Is a divine man's suffering of death sufficient to redeem all the sin of billions of human beings? In the scales of justice, is the death of one divine man sufficient to balance the sins of billions of ordinary men? If all those billions were punished for their sins, the pain of that suffering would I guess be quantitatively huge compared to the suffering of Jesus on the cross, wouldn't it? Can Jesus' suffering on the cross be sufficient to balance mankind's sins, then, when Jesus' suffering was perhaps so much less suffering than the suffering of the billions of sinners would be? I'm probably misunderstanding this concept of Jesus as a ransom for our sins...

The other question I have: Is it not possible that Jesus did not incarnate God until the baptism in the Jordan, when the dove descended, and God's voice was heard, saying, "This is my son, in whom I am well-pleased." Is it not possible that Jesus, until the baptism in the Jordan, was a very great, or even the greatest, or most holy, human being, but not yet God? Then at the baptism by John, God descended into Jesus, and Jesus only then became the Christ?

Fernando said...

Hi Ed... if those two questions you placed here habe not been answered twousand off times during the 2000 years of Christianity from within the Bible I woulde say they were two good questions...

The Berean Search said...

Ed- What do any of your questions and assertions and opinions have to do with the video in which this Imam in the U.S. is concocting wild conspiracy theories which blame the U.S. and Israel for framing Islam for terrorism?

Ed said...

Fernando,
Guess what. I don't care what you think, or pretend to think, of my questions. You don't know how to answer them, you lack sufficient knowledge, so instead of being honest and admitting you don't know the answers, you just insult the questions. Typical of know-nothing types like yourself. What a foolish way to deal with questions. As far as I'm concerned, you are either no Christian, or a bad or phony one. Give me the answers you pretend to know so well. But in fact I suspect your above answer demonstrates what you know: nothing (apart perhaps from dogmatic rote answers half-learned from others). If someone comes along and asks a question, you try to insult him. Don't like questions, hmmm? You confuse being a boor, or a Muslim, with being a Christian. Guess what. There is nothing in the gospels that recommends being a boor as you show yourself to be. Better read your gospels again. If you've ever even read them all the way through.

Does said...

To me, the main issue here is that Muslims do not take any responsibility for the actions of their own people. All they do is blame others for things, but when it comes to blaming them for terrorism, murder, religious intolerance etc. they do not accept any criticism.

When you study the life of Muhammad and read the Quran, it is not very difficult to see the roots of this behaviour.

aussie christian said...

Hey Ed,

Two good questions you asked.

I would answer them myself, but as I suck big time at writing in a way that most humans could understand I prefer to stay out of academics. I got a big fat FAIL in story writing at both primary and secondary school. also as I am an absolute hater of debating or arguing, mainly because I am terrible at it for lack of patients I prefer not to debate subjects very often.

What you probably would be best to do is: ask David or Sam or some of the other people who contribute to these websites to write an article explaining the doctrine behind your questions. They would be much better placed to title an article in a logical and readable format.

Hope this steers you in the right direction for an honest answer if your looking for the truth.

Peace and Love.

hugh watt said...

hi Ed.i know your Q was off point but i'd like to reply.Jesus sacrifice was not to 'balance'good against bad but to take away sin.He suffered and died to pay for our sins a debt we owe God. check the 10 commandments, if you've broken just one you are guilty of breaking all. one sinless man Adam, lost paradise through one sin bringing sin into humanity. one sinless Man Chrsit paid the penalty once for all. read Romans 5v12,18, its there in a nutshell.what a sinner must do is search your heart, ask are you sinless? if not God's wrath that was poured out on Christ at Calvary will fall directly on all Christ rejecters, you pay the price for your sin against God. confessing and repenting (seroiusly) in Christ's name means you belive in His message and sacrifice,death and resurrection.

Q.2. Jesus was always God. read Isaiah 7v14 & 9v6. you see there His foretold coming prophesied and that He is the 'Mighty God'. this is why He could say in John 8v24 "unless you believe I AM He you will die in your sins". through Adam paradise lost. through Christ paradise regained to those who believe in Him. John 3v16.