Sunday, October 4, 2009

Did Moses Predict the Coming of Muhammad in Deuteronomy 18?

49 comments:

Semper Paratus said...

David and Sam, another great job. Thanks.

Dk said...

I'd like to thank Sam Shamoun.

But i'm very impressed by the Muslims aswell...It's all so clear to me now... Moses (who didn't historically exist)..spoke about Mohammad in a book(deutoronomy) who no one knows who wrote...the unknown author mentions that supposedly 2600 years after Moses an arab prophet would be born in the year of the elephant into a pagan family into a tribe/nation the person who wrote the deverm probably didn't know even exist..

The evidence is so compelling..

lol, but seriously.

On the other side Muslims agree with us Atheists....Deutronomy is historically speaking a ANNOYNOMOUS writing (authorship), it contains(content) immoral/corrupted teachings, yet it STILL has Muhammad, even though the prophecy already disqualifes Muhammad by the time limit it itself implies (vs 16)..

Yeah this is Mohammad.....It's MOOHAMMAD. It's SOO convincing....Honestly who else attempts to prove their religion like Muslims do? *laughs*

mkvine said...

LOL @ Sam Shamoun when he said "Muhammad died a cursed death"

Semper Paratus said...

DK,

I think you have overstated your thesis regarding the existence or non-existence of Moses and whether or not he was the sole/primary author of Deuteronomy. It is one thing to be skeptical and to lack faith in Moses' existence and whether or not he had a hand in the composition of the Torah, inclusive of Deuteronomy; it is another thing to make the positive claim that Moses did not exist and that he had nothing to do with writing the book of Deuteronomy.

On a different note, given that there is no God, according to you, by what standard do you determine that Deuteronomy contains immoral content?

leviMichael said...

great job!

The Fat Man said...

Did you guys know that Jesus is like Mohamed, its true.

Jesus had a beard, Mohamed had a beard. Jesus went to the bathroom, Moses went to the bathroom. Jesus spoke with words, Mohamed spoke with words. Mohamed had followers, and Jesus had followers.

See how alike they are, its amazing. :)

Fernando said...

Oh maaaaan... making this 3 shows in small pieces is going to gibe us all many time to habe a good and charitable laugh with all the muslims apologistes arounde here:

Ibn: its a "quid pro quo" falacy;

Osama: just see answer.christianity;

John Snow: this is wrong, butt now I do not habe time to explain whie;

Nahdir: this is whate happens when Christians do not debate the number one muslim apologist in the world;

Ehtesham Gulam: what? I'm offended; and you must not forget thate Christian sources say thate Mary was 12 years old;

Ali: this as nothing to doo with islam;

the other John: don't try to psychanalize me;

Zawadi: don't you listen to this fols; email me;

Krijnaraj: whate about? John 22:13? and 3Pt 2:23? humm?...

N. Ahmed: leve mee out off this; I already know, know, thate I was wrong...

mkvine said...

LOLOLOL that is soooooo true Fernando, they do all sound like that lol

Ilena said...

fernando is sooo right. :)

Nakdimon said...

FERNANDO LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! Those were the best impressions I have seen in a looong while.


But seriously, WHEN are Muslims going to learn. Deuteronomy 18:15 is about a prophet from the midst of the Jewish people. Deuteronomy 18:18 is just a repetition of verse 15. Verse 15 says:

A prophet FROM YOUR MIDST, from among your brothers, like me, will God raise up, to him you will listen. (my literal translation)

So speaking to the Jews, Moses says that the prophet would come from the midst of the Israelites. When will Muslims learn to read?

Excellent job David and Sam on the context!

Nakdimon

Adam said...

Praise The Lord

Dear Brother Sam, you are just like Saint Paul of our times.

Here in India many people pray and praise God for all the debate you had with islamic Kabba worshippers.

I hope to see you soon in Mumbai(Bombay) to Silence the Rat called dr. zakir naik MBBS.

muslim in India and pakistan see zakir as hero. They consider every debate of zakir with non muslim as Jehad. on other hand Zakir and partners make millions of money and wealth. Over the years Zakir has become powerful due to politcians. (Muslims in india are valuable Vote Banks for politicians, as well as to have better relation with Arabs for Oil import. Its just similar to UK or USA policies towards muslim)

Recently Zakir had been to Dubai. Their were many Christian who wanted to counter him, but as usual zakir gathering is filled with Mob mentality people. and also due to fear of losing of job in gulf hence christian kept quite.


Dear brother Sam, David, Nabeel. A suggestion. Why dont you air these kind of shows on Christian TV channels. At least one hour of program. as internet has its limitation.

Dear Christian Brothers and sisters, lets make a popular demand to GOD tv to air such shows.

David Wood said...

Brother Adam,

These shows do air on Christian TV through the Aramaic Broadcasting Network (www.ABNSAT.com). But they also air on the internet for people who don't get the channel.

Osama Abdallah said...

Fernando,

You are badly wrong about me, again! Just visit my site:

http://www.answering-christianity.com


Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Osama Abdallah said...

"Here in India many people pray and praise God for all the debate you had with islamic Kabba worshippers."

Adam,

You must be too high on the CHRISTIAN HEROIN of ignorance, because you have just insulted your bible as well. DOES NOT THE BIBLE SAY:

"I will bow down toward your holy temple
and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 138:2)"

I know that you will try to Bull S your way out of it, but in essence, you have just insulted your bible and all of the Prophets as well, because the Prophets of Old have all CONSTANTLY Bowed down to Allah Almighty in Worship and in the direction of His Holy Temple, including Jesus Christ himself. IT IS THE MODERN-DAY mental disease that you call christianity that changed all of that. Jesus is innocent from this corruption and big-time $$$$ business.

Visit the following links to learn some real Truth:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/kaba.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_hypocrite.htm


Go back to the roots if you want to see the Light. Islam is the Truth, and Sam Shamoun and the likes of him are leading you astray.

Christianity is no more than a religion of CONJECTURE as The Glorious Quran calls it in Noble Verses 4:156-159. It is a false man-made religion.

Like I said, I know that you'll BS your way out of it by trying to wash your ignorance away and say that the Kaaba was a pagan house. No, it was never a pagan house, because Abraham and his son Ishmael, peace be upon them, built it. The Arabs received the Quran (Divine Revelations) during those times, and worshiped as we worship today. Then they got corrupt and changed. Then Islam came once again to fix it for good. BUT NONE OF THIS WOULD ANSWER AWAY YOUR IGNORANCE about the Prophets of Old bowing down in Worship. You never knew about this, because like I said, the mental disease and the man-made $$$$ business that you call christianity never taught you this. It kept you drowned in the ocean of ignorance.

Now bowing down to Allah Almighty is considered idol worship to you? You are indeed lost!

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

ben malik said...

Osama, you must be high on Muhammad's rock! You have been, to use your words, "thoroughly refuted and exposed since you are a clown." You will find your replies right here.

http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/kabah_idol1.html

http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/kabah_idol2.html

So quoting the "corrupt" Bible to support your pagan practice of worshiping the Kaba doesn't aid your cause.

So Osama don't let Muhammad mislead you like Allah misled him and sent him to eternal hellfire.

And folks, isn't it amazing that Osama will always quote the "corrupt" Bible to prove his case?

mkvine said...

So would want to visit Osama's site anyways? Every page you click on is full of viruses, you need to get that fixed mr. abdullah

Osama Abdallah said...

Ben Malik (Sam Shamoun),

The fact that you concurred that your bible is CORRUPT shows that your entire argument collapses with ease.


The bible is badly corrupt, and christianity is no more than a false CONJECTURE as Allah Almighty called it in the Glorious Quran. See the previous post for details.

To the reader, please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/contra.htm to see the bible's COUNTLESS CONTRADICTIONS and ample SCIENTIFIC BLUNDERS by ironically even Jesus Christ himself.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

minoria said...

Unfortunately.from the looks of things,it seems ZAKIR,JAMAL BADAWI and SHABIR ALLY will never be convinced,just like AHMED DEEDAT.It was not for lack of trying.The worst part is that I am sure they are in favor of establishing Islamic rule over non-Muslims(preferably peacefully)where we would be second-class citizens.I am sure that if Muslims were,say 55% in India,ZAKIR NAIK,would be in favor of not letting the HINDUS freely criticize Islam like HE freely critcizes Hinduism.I am sure of it.
And Hindus who do would be fined,jailed,even killed.And Zakir Naik would be indifferent.

The Hindus would not be allowed to say,become the prime minister of India,or head of the Indian army.Just like in Bangladesh,where some 12% are still Hindu.Look at Kashmir,in India,a few decades ago there were 300,000 Hindus there,now only 6,000.The others fled due to Muslim intolerance.

Osama Abdallah said...

"So would want to visit Osama's site anyways? Every page you click on is full of viruses, you need to get that fixed mr. abdullah"

Exposing the falsehood of christianity and the countless corruptions of the Bible isn't a virus.

Continuing with my response to Sam Shamoun, I also want to invite everyone to visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links to see the OVERWHELMING Scientific Miracles of the Glorious Quran.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Osama Abdallah said...

Sam Shamoun (Ben Malik),

I read your silly articles in the two links you gave, and QUITE HONESTLY I found no real substance in them.
Like your trinity nonsense, you tried to force certain interpretations and ideas into the text. In this case, you tried to twist the Prophets' worshiping to GOD Almighty and portray it to mean something else.

Interestingly, I did not find the verse that I gave Adam in your silly articles. Was it because you knew that it would refute your lies and twisting of the text and its translations, or was it because you did not know about it? In either case, your silly points are soundly refuted, and yes, the Prophets did bow down to Allah Almighty in the direction of HIS HOLY TEMPLE. The following verse, which I gave above, further proves this:

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"I WILL BOW DOWN TOWARD YOUR HOLY TEMPLE
and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 138:2)"
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Sam Shamoun, you are as phony and false as the man-made blasphemy that you call trinity. I invite you to be honest and to consider Islam with a more open mind.

You are responsible for fooling many and misleading many. Your punishment with Allah Almighty at the Day of Judgement will be far more severe. So I advise you to take this more seriously.

To the rest of the non-Muslims, I invite you to research Islam more honestly. Please start with: http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Semper Paratus said...

Osama said: The fact that you [Ben Malik] concurred that your bible is CORRUPT shows that your entire argument collapses with ease.

Osama,

There is a difference between granting a person's assumption for the sake of argument, i.e. in order to show where it lead if it were true, which in your case is to absurd conclusions, and actually "concurring" with a person's assumption, i.e. agreeing that it actually is true.

leviMichael said...

osama,i already demonstrated that scientific knowledge (even if they were in your dumb quran), doesn't prove Divinity!

You were unable to prove otherwise.

Osama Abdallah said...

"There is a difference between granting a person's assumption for the sake of argument, i.e. in order to show where it lead if it were true, which in your case is to absurd conclusions, and actually "concurring" with a person's assumption, i.e. agreeing that it actually is true."

Semper, I know this. But Sam Shamoun had admitted before many times that his bible is altered and not original. He even plainly admits that the authors of the bible are unknown. This is why he always refers to them as "the writers of the bible" and not the Prophets of GOD Almighty.

THE BOTTOM LINE SEMPER IS that it takes no brain to figure out that the bible is indeed badly corrupt. I mean, if not even the Prophets of GOD Almighty spoke the words of the bible, then based on what objective argument and logic will you reject that it is badly corrupt and it is the work of mere men like you?

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Adam said...

As Salam alaykum dear Osama
I honestly respect you for your zeal in defending Islam. Unlike Dr. Zakir Naik (MBBS) who is more concerned about his status, stardom, glamour, wealth etc. in the past years Zakir And Company have been accumulating wealth from your rich Arabs Sheiks. These days he is also running away to debate Indian Christian Apologists like Bro Jerry Thomas and Sakshi Apologetic networks.

Yes, I must be too high on the CHRISTIAN HEROs like Bro Sam, Bro. David Bro Nabeel. These men are brave to expose the ancient cult of Kaaba and THE MODERN-DAY mental disease that you call islam.

Few questions.
Tell me whether the Temple of Jerusalem and the Kaaba are at the same location or place?

Does the Kaaba and Temple of Jerusalem have a common history?

Any historic evidence whether the Temple of Jerusalem and Kaaba were built at the same period?

Any historic evidence whether it was ABraam or Ibrahim who built the Kaaba?

Why don’t you allow historians and other researcher without religous
Interference to carry out excavation near the Kaaba?

You said, “Now bowing down to Allah Almighty is considered idol worship to you? You are indeed lost!”

You wahabbis should ask yourself, whether your god of Arabia is a huge cube of black colour carved out of stone and designed by some pagan arab named Ibrahim ?

Osama Abdallah said...

PART I RESPONSE TO ADAM:

"Few questions.
Tell me whether the Temple of Jerusalem and the Kaaba are at the same location or place?"

The Farthest Mosque is in Jerusalem, and the Kaaba is in Mecca.

"Does the Kaaba and Temple of Jerusalem have a common history?"

During the days of Islam, our modern-day Farthest Mosque was not in Jerusalem. The Mosque that Allah Almighty spoke about in the Glorious Quran is the place of worship that existed there. Any legitimate place of worship that CONTAINS NO IDOLS is considered a Mosque.

"Any historic evidence whether the Temple of Jerusalem and Kaaba were built at the same period?"

Our modern-day Farthest Mosque in Jerusalem and the Kaaba were not built in the same period.

"Any historic evidence whether it was ABraam or Ibrahim who built the Kaaba?"

No historic evidence is present. However, there are Signs that suggest that:

1- The black stone that is near the Kaaba was proven to be an asteroid that came down to this location. So we have strong evidence that suggests that an asteriod determined the place of where the Kaaba was to be built.

You can visit the following links for ample proofs:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/black_stone.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/que11.htm


2- There are new archeological evidence that strongly suggests that the Exodus of Moses and the Jews ended in Arabia and not in the Sinai desert.

You can visit the following links for ample proofs:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/paran.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm



"Why don’t you allow historians and other researcher without religous
Interference to carry out excavation near the Kaaba?"

It already happened. A Western scientists and archeologist already examined pieced of the black stone and determined that it was a heavenly asteroid. Also, the new archeological evidence about the exodus ended in Arabia gives further proofs about the Kaaba and Mecca.

Osama Abdallah said...

PART II RESPONSE TO ADAM:

"You said, “Now bowing down to Allah Almighty is considered idol worship to you? You are indeed lost!”

You wahabbis should ask yourself, whether your god of Arabia is a huge cube of black colour carved out of stone and designed by some pagan arab named Ibrahim ?"

First of all, you need to get your terms and statistics right. Wahabies are a minority among Muslims. The Sunnis are the overwhelming majority of the Muslims (more than 90% of the 1.2 - 1.5 billions Muslims out there), and most Sunnis are not Wahabies. Not that Wahabies are bad or anything, but you calling Muslims as Wahabies further demonstrates that you have much ignorance about Islam.

As to Allah Almighty being a huge cube building, like I said in the previous post, I know that you will BS your way out of this. You continue to insult your own bible with these cheap and desperate comments. No reasonable person would say that Muslims believe that Allah Almighty is a cube building. Only a desperate and hateful liar would, and you now acting as one.

Throughtout the ages, Allah Almighty had always established HOUSES OR WORSHIP AND POINTS OF DIRECTION to Worship Him and Prostrate to Him. It is your modern-day man-made false religion that you call christianity, that Allah Almighty calls conjecture in the Glorious Quran (4:156-159) that changed all of that. This is despite the fact that even your god, Jesus Christ, had also bowed down to Allah Almighty in Worship. IF ANYTHING, THIS FURTHER PROVES THAT YOUR RELIGION IS FALSE, and your god is a hypocrite, for doing it ONLY DURING HIS DESPERATE TIMES. Now of course, our Jesus Christ is innocent from all of these lies that were fabricated on him.

Again, to the reader, please visit the following links for ample quotes and proofs:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/kaba.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_hypocrite.htm


So no Adam, your religion is false, and your scriptures are full of mistranslations, corruptions, contradictions, ample SCIENTIFIC BLUNDERS EVEN BY JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF, and textual and historical errors:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/contra.htm

Islam is the Solution and Salvation that you need to follow:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/islam_quran.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Fernando said...

Osama... you seem like a broken record... saying, ounce, twice, eleven times the same lies won't make them more true: it only will make you seem more foonie...

Adam said...

As-Salāmu `Alaykum dear Osama
Thank you for replying. Again I honestly respect you for your zeal in defending Islam. Unlike others like Dr. Zakir Naik (MBBS) who is more concerned about his status, stardom, glamour, wealth etc.

The five question about kaaba you answered are still not satisfying, as I have heard similar website answers. My basic point was to say, the Temple of Jesusalem and black stone kaaba are completely different places of worship.

Tell me whether the Temple of Jerusalem and the Kaaba are at the same location or place?

They are not at the same location

Does the Kaaba and Temple of Jerusalem have a common history?

No both these place don’t have any common history. Kaaba is still mysterious as muslim don’t like it to be expose. The cult kaaba of seem to be ancient mysterious faith of the Arabs

Any historic evidence whether the Temple of Jerusalem and Kaaba were built at the same period?

There is no historic evidence to proof kaaba and the temple of Jerusalem were built at the same time

Any historic evidence whether it was Abram or Abraham who built the Kaaba?

According to arab myth it could be some arab artist named Ibrahim who must have carved it.

Why don’t you allow historians and other researcher to carry out excavation near the Kaaba?

Unlike Hindus and catholic who allow agnostic researcher in every decade as technology changes to excavate their churches and temples. We as muslim will never allow these people to expose our ancient faith of kaaba worship.

I conclude there is no concrete evidence that a allah of Arabia is not The G-D of Israel the creator of universe and beyond.

I think you worship the kaaba and serve allah of Arabia

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Heavenly Asteroid

In my mother land India (Israel our father Land) there are many ancient temples built over stones. As a child I used to question these stone gods. Once I asked my friend’s grandfather, he told me these stones fell from heaven. Which were later carved and installed in the temples. The ancient Indians had a great civilization unlike like ancient Arabs.

Now Osama this not for you, as you are mix breed arab Palestinian. These arabs muslims are such crooks in modern days. They Hijack Airplanes in ancient times they Hijacked Religions such as Judaism, Christianity and Zoroastrianism.

To my surprise these arabs pirates had also hijack the ancient religion Vedic of my Ancestors.

Check these links as they will inspire you too, to go back to your ancient Palestinian beliefs. At least you mix breed Palestinian are unlike arabs.

http://www.hinduism.co.za/kaabaa.htm

http://volker-doormann.org/the0.htm

http://www.salagram.net/kaba-stone.html

http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:le3UUBzlRdoJ:www.indiadivine.org/audarya/world-review/29662-hindu-god-points-way-10th-solar-planet.html+asteroid+hinduism&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=in#

Osama Abdallah said...

Adam,

My conversation with you will most likely end here, because you are now showing a silly attitude towards learning, and you are acting like a silly child.
I gave you thorough answers in text, and ample more proofs in the links that I gave, and all you could do is brush them aside as if they don't exist. That's ok kid. I am not here for you.

As to Allah Almighty being a pagan god of pagan arabia, again, MORE CHRISTIAN HEROIN OF STUPIDITY AND IGNORANCE being displayed here. Here is my answer to your blasphemy:

1- 99% of the times in the New Testament, Jesus Christ referred to GOD Almighty as Allah. Your English translators and liars write it as "ELAW". Ask any Aramaic-speaking person, in this case your hero Sam Shamoun (aka Ben Malik), and he'll tell you that in Aramaic the Arabic Allah is pronounced the same.

2- GOD Almighty's "Names" are not really names in Islam. They are Divine Attributes. Every "Name" of Allah Almighty has a meaning and is always for a purpose. For instance, Al-Rahman means the Merciful. Similarly, Allah means the GOD who is Above and is supreme over everything. That is why Jesus Christ always referred to him as Allah in the NT.

WHAT ABOUT YAHWEH?

Yahweh in Hebrew means the LORD and the Eternal. It means Al-Samad in Arabic, and Al-Samad is also one of Allah Almighty's Divine Attributes in the Glorious Quran.

So in case you're too stupid to get it, Adam, Al-Samad is a mere translation of the Hebrew word, Yahweh, and Yahweh is a mere translation of the Arabic word, Al-Samad. Just like GOD is an English word. You don't believe that you worship a pagan god called "GOD", when you call Yahweh GOD, do you?

SO IF ITS OK TO CALL HIM GOD AND NOT YAHWEH IN ENGLISH, why is it not ok to call Him Al-Samad and other Attributes in Arabic?

To the reader, please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/allah.htm



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SO WHAT DO WE LEARN HERE?


It is quite clear that the christians are lost in their deep ignorance, stupidity and blasphemy. They have no idea what they ever talk about. They sound very dumb and come off as dumb. They simply vomit nothing but stupidity and blasphemy!

So Adam, not only did I silence you on the point of BOWING TO GOD ALMIGHTY in the direction of His Temple, but now I also silenced you on the Glorious and Divine Attributes of GOD Almighty.

This is the result of christianity. It breeds stupidity and blasphemy. You have to pervert the original teachings and Ways in order to attack Islam, because you know that Islam is the Divine Truth.


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A BELIEVER IS FAR MORE PRECIOUS THAN THE KAABA!


As to the Kaaba and the black stone, I already addressed all them in great details above. The hindus glorification of stones and rocks is not Islamic, and you have missed my point entirely! I said that the black stone was no more than a heavenly asteriod sent down to pin point the exact location of the Kaaba. We do not worship neither the Kaaba nor the black stone. In fact the Prophet said in his famous saying that:


لهدم الكعبة حجراً حجراً أهون من قتل المسلم‏

لهدم الكعبة حجراً حجراً أهون من قتل المسلم‏

لهدم الكعبة حجراً حجراً أهون من قتل المسلم‏

لهدم الكعبة حجراً حجراً أهون من قتل المسلم‏

"Demolishing the Kaaba completely is much more preferred to Allah Almighty than SHEDDING THE BLOOD OF A BELIEVING MUSLIM."


Why should this be of any surprise, when Allah Almighty had brought down all of the Angels under the feet of the human-believers when He commanded them to bow down to Adam?

So no, we do not worship rocks and stones. You're just hooked on too much modern-day christianity and blasphemy.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Royal Son said...

Osama, I find it rather bold of you to show up to these forums after having threatened to kill one of the contributors here.

Royal Son said...

By the way, Osama why did Allah command the angels to bow down before Adam? Is this not shirk?

Osama Abdallah said...

"Osama, I find it rather bold of you to show up to these forums after having threatened to kill one of the contributors here."

Gee! Another rotten and desperate liar barking in the name of "Christ". Show me that post or quote of mine where I threatened to kill someone. In fact, it was that rotten fatman who threatened me with his "thirteen" gang bangers. I told him that if you come to my door step, I will drop you dead with my 380 ml.

I just find this ROTTEN CHRISTIAN to be quite amazing! He didn't read the threat about me and my wife and children from that fat latino gangster threatening to bring his gang that is called THIRTEEN to me, but he did read my response to him as a clear threat? Been reading too much bible lately Royal Son? Apparently so.

As to bowing down to Adam, no it wasn't shirk (idol worship and/or polytheism), because it wasn't a form of worship but rather a form of elating the Believers from mankind FAR ABOVE AND BEYOND EVEN THE ANGELS! This is a love in Islam that is far bigger than the so-called "love" of the bible.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Osama Abdallah said...

Royal Son and to all Christians,

My last post was way off! I sincerely apologize to all of you. It was very very rude of me.
This is not my personality. Sometimes posts on message boards (here and elsewhere) get very abusive. This is no excuse for me to get out of line. Calling Royal Son a ROTTEN CHRISTIAN was wrong. I am sorry again.

Regards,
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

minoria said...

The comment by Osama was fine and it shows he is having spiritual growth.I myself have to improve in some areas,not all is knowledge of the technicalities of Christianity,Islam,atheism,etc.Where I live very few are Christian,born-again evangelical and Catholic charismatic.I would say only 60,000 out of 7.5 million,even according to the journal.

And few are savy like the people here about the evidence for our faith.So this blog is a stimulation.

To Adam:

Maybe you do not follow it but I wish you a happy DIVALI.I know it is a festive period now in India.A Hindu acquaintance told me it begins next week.If you follow it only as a custom then it is nice,for example,I like the EASTER BUNNY tradition.Maybe he has even made his way to India,I dont know.

RAMA

For those who don't know it is this:DIVALI is like the most sacred Hindu festival.The Hindus clean their houses and don't eat during the day for a week.

They celebrate the victory of RAMA.The story is in the RAMAYANA.He was an Aryan prince who was exiled with his wife SITA.
She is kidnapped by a demon called RAVANA to his palace.Rama with an army of monkeys headed by a monkey general rescue her.They return to their kingdom from the exile.End of story.

Adam said...

Dear brother Minoria Happy Diwali to you.

I don’t follow Diwali but I celebrate it with much enthusiasm with my Cousins, neighbours and Friends.
D
iwali or Deepavali means Light. It an ancient festival of Light of the Aryan.

It was celebrated by the Arya Vanshi (Aryan race or family) across the aryan belt, may be to honour the SUN god or Mithras. Hindus still worship Mitra as one of the God as many verses of mitra in the Rig Veda. Mitra is patron divinity of honesty, friendship, contracts and meetings. In some Indian language friends are also called Mitra.

This festival is similar to the pagan festival of Light of the Roman and other race of Europe which we now celebrate as Natal or Christmas.

Diwali is celebrated majorly in Northern, Western, Eastern and central India. But not much Bright in South India (Majority of South Indian are of the Dravidian race known as Dark or colored people, their language originated from Tamil and unlike Indo European Sanskrit ) Ravana Lankeshwar the demon from Sri Lanka (Dark people race) and Ram or Rama the Aryan King slayed him and rescued his wife Sita.

Sorry to bore with my Pagan history research. As I Christian I respect pagan and their beliefs unlike Muslims, who are not ready to accept Kaaba worship, crescent symbol etc as pagan belief.

Dk said...

Semper said:

"On a different note, given that there is no God, according to you, by what standard do you determine that Deuteronomy contains immoral content?"

First of all let me clarify i'm not a postive atheist altogether, meaning I cannot postively say "there is no God" in all cases. I can only say this about the orthodox understandings of the gods i've heard of so far such as Hashem, Allah, Jesus, Zeus, Osirus and a few others. I have arguments against these gods that give me a certain high probability that they cannot exist. The deist God and other gods I have not investigated however I have no argument against, thus all I do is lack belief in this one as there is no postive evidence or knowledge for or against it, this is known as negative atheism.

Moving on. How do I know that the command to committ genocide in deutoronomy is wrong? Short Answer: My conscience!

Semper Paratus said...

DK,

Thanks for the response.

I didn't suspect that you were a positive atheist, at least with respect to those "gods" you have not yet investigated, but then my remarks weren't directed at that, but at your statement regarding the non-existence of Moses. It seems to me that you ranged beyond what even an atheist, positive or otherwise, would want to say, which is simply that there is no good evidence, to your way of thinking, that Moses existed. As I am sure you will grant, it is one thing to be skeptical about Moses' existence; it is another thing to make the statement that Moses "didn't exist historically."

For the record: I wasn't trying to score any points with this observation. I just wanted to help clarify what it seems to me is more likely your actual position. Of course, if I am wrong, then you may correct me, and, as well, I would love to see you try to sustain such a heavy burden if the latter is the case.

As for your other comment, how does your conscience provide a standard by which to evaluate Moses' conduct as immoral? Who are you, that Moses should follow the (alleged) dictates of your conscience? Why is your conscience better than that of Moses'? Indeed, why is your conscience even take as authoritative for you or by you? Your "conscience," which I assume you believe has a biological basis, tells you that it is wrong to do x, but then other biologically based promptings tell you to do x. Why do you choose to listen to the former and not the latter?

I'll be happy to let you have the last word on this (unless of course you have any interest in corresponding further in e-mail or on my blog), but I suspect you don't come here to have this sort of discussion any more than I do. Not to mention that our discussion is a little out of place to carry on for too long without upsetting our good hosts or at least the people who come here to interact on Christian/Islamic issues.

With all that said, I appreciate many of your remarks related to Islam and some other issues. I have seen your occasional comments over time on this blog.

minoria said...

Hello Adam:

Thank you for the comment.I guess you know I made a mistake.The Hindu lady yesterday told me DIWALI is next week.So I was wrong by a week.

One must know the beliefs of others to be able to relate to them.And i am glad you celebrate with your cousins.

I did not know the Aryans gave so much importance to light.I think that is why CREMATION is so important in Hinduism.The Aryans(noble ones in Sanskrit) were originally from Central Asia.

Most went to Europe,like those who became the Greeks and Romans.THEY also had the habit of CREMATION,though they also buried the dead.

minoria said...

Regarding DKs comment about MOSES.It is true we have no evidence but the NAME is Egyptian,of that there is no doubt.

JOSEPH?

In atlasshrugs.com about 3 days ago she published about an Egyptian newspaper that had reported that Egyptian archeologists working in a museum in Cairo were susrprised to find a COIN or coins with the name JOSEPH and from the TIME of Joseph.

How accurate the report is I dont know but if correct it would show evidence in favor of the Biblical story.

Lothair Of Lorraine said...

@Osama...

"I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 138:2)"

You do realize that the temple being refered to was about 700 miles north of allah's kaaba, right? For a little while, even the Poet Muhammad understood that!

Answering said...

hello all.

See my video response to this video. Sam and David need to study more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEDwfk7AfPs

Semper Paratus said...

Answering,

I went to your link; it seems your video has been deleted. Did you suddenly realize that you need to study more before addressing the issue?

Answering Christians said...

No Semper. Actually the video or rather the channel got accidentally deleted. I am re-posting the video. and will provide you the link.

See you again...

Responding to Christians said...

Ok. I have recreated the channel and uploaded the video again. Here is the video response.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZjtU_ipNRI

Here is my blog www.answeringchristiansnow.blogspot.com

Semper Paratus said...

The point you are confused about at the start of your video is basically addressed here:

http://answering-islam.org/authors/rogers/afraid_app1.html

I'll listen to the rest later.

Responding to Christians said...

Well Semper I took a look at the link you gave. It is essentially saying the same thing that sam shamoun and David Wood were saying. My rebuttal is against this very interpretation and it is not me who is confused but rather you christians. I do not claim to have any Holy Spirit. But since every Christians claims to have the Holy Spirit, then their views must not contradict, for there are already an huge number of other Christian scholars who identify Deuteronomy 18 prophecy with Jesus (pbuh).

Anyway the interpretation that it is a succession of prophets to come after Moses is faulty, for Joshua was already commissioned by Moses as is mentioned in Deut 31:14 and 23. Then it makes no sense in Deut 34:10 to say that there arose not a Prophet in Israel since then whom the Lord knew face to face, coz Joshua was already there. Plus listen to my full reponse. Acts 3:21-22 clearly shows that the promised prophet of Deuteronomy was still being awaited and was required to come before Jesus could return.

Remember the first comment you have posted

Semper Paratus said...

David and Sam, another great job. Thanks.

It is not any great job, but a faulty interpretation.

Semper Paratus said...

Responding,

Your remarks reveal that you either did not fully read my article or you did not understand it. In any event, since I have addressed the issue you think is problematic, I see no need to reinvent the wheel to deal with your Stone Age problem.

If you want a little extra-curricular reading to go along with the appendix, consider reading the original articles I wrote on Deuteronomy 18:

Part I
Part II

Of course David and Sam have both written a number of articles on Deuteronomy 18 that you might check out as well on AI.

I will listen to the rest of your video and see if the issue you've brought up regarding Acts 3 merits a response. Perhaps I will write another appendix just for you.

Regards,

Anthony Rogers

Hendrik said...

Dear Brothers in Jesus Christ.

I'm amazed by the courage and power that God has given to Sam , david , father josep in his team . May God Name will be glorify in your work . God bless you all .

As i happens to live in the most populate muslim country in the globe . i cleary understand how the muslim treat non-muslim .

my lack of understanding of bible often get me a hard time when i faces questions from muslim friends.

therefore , i'm happy to finally find this blog where i could get alot of information about Christianity and islam.

my question is :

deutronomy 34: 10 .

and there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,

muslim think there will be no prophet or nabi come from isreal after moses . so they think it's mohammad .

please clarify this

Thanks,

Trueworshipper

Lothair Of Lorraine said...

You guys have doing a wonderful job. I gotta admit, you impress me more every day.

Speaking of Deut 34:10, the fact is that the Torah enshrines allusions to Prophets that will come to reform Israel, in due time and under particular circumstances, all of which later come to pass. Notice that the reformers are Israelites who both comfort and trouble the monarchy and its people in and around Palestine. Muhammad never set foot in Israel and never called himself an Israelite.

Another point to consider is that Moses and Elijah appear to validate Jesus [Mt 17]. Muhammad was never given such an honor, and for good reason.