Saturday, October 3, 2009

Are There Other Gospels That Refer to Muhammad?

8 comments:

Fernando said...

This is to The Osma The Great Abdallah...

just see how great PIG's are... how on earth is a pig haram to muslims if it's such a beautifull and miraculous gift from God?

The amayzing miracle that pigs are

just think about it dear Osama... who's right? allah, thate moon god of the pre-islamic pagan arabians, or the pig?

mkvine said...

Typical Muslim dialogue:

"Hey I have proof that Muhammad is in the Bible, look at these passages!!!"
Then we show them that their "proof" about Muhammad in the Bible is completely absurd so then they say
"Oh, they must be in ANOTHER Gospel which the Church deceivingly threw out"
Then we show them that those "gospels" were second century sources and that EVEN they do not contain anything about Muhammad. So by now the Muslims will say "Uh... the bible is corrupt anyways, Allah knows best....(runs away)" Or they could say "I don't care what you say, despite me getting owned in this argument, I know that Muhammad is mentioned SOMEWHERE in the Bible, it just has to be there...." Or they might just pull off a Shadid Lewis and say "I don't want to give away my debate point so I'll tell you later inshaallah"

leviMichael said...

Sorry guyz 4 breaking this thread...
I want 2 show that the Muslim argument about "science has proven that the Quran is the Word of God" is flawed on two counts; now, Osama stated (in his debate with Nabeel, I think) that the reason why he is a Muslim is because of the scientific miracle of the Quran; I want 2 show him that that is a dumb reason to be a Muslim (or a Christian 4 that matter).
I will presuppose that the Quran is scientifically accurate.
My 1st objection is based on the discovery of out-of-place artifacts (OOPA) and archaeology. OOPA and archaeology has proven that ancient cultures knew a lot about the natural world; they were very advanced, did things that we cannot do today and were quite smart (contrary to the evolution dogma); there's still a lot that we don't know about these cultures; unless we come to know everything about what these cultures knew and even those cultures we have not yet discovered, we can never say that the Quran was the first book to reveal the science.
my 2nd objection is theological; it gets worse for the Muslim; even if I grant that the Quran is scientifically accurate and was the 1st to make these scientific statements, we still cannot say that it is the Word of God because Satan knows more about the natural world than we do; he was created b4 man and is a spiritual being; he can easily use scientific knowledge to deceive people;
whereas, compare this to the 3 fundamental claims of the true God: prophecy (only God knows the future; God issues a challenge in Isaiah), the resurrection of Jesus (Paul says if Jesus has not been raised from the dead then Christianity is false) and Jesus is always the same (He still heals people, He still sets the captives free, He still mends the broken-hearted, He still saves people from their sins).
All scientific statements can show is that the Quran (and Bible) is accurate when it talks about the natural world; but we can never get to Divine inspiration from there;
So, u see dear Muslim (Osama), u have no reason 2 believe in the Quran!

mkvine said...

David Wood said: "Muhammad made a PROMISE and he broke his promise. How can you believe in him?"

Wow, notice the passion in David's voice. He just showered knowledge on this Muslim guy when he told him about the other gospels. Masha'Allah lol. God bless David, keep up the good work.

Osama Abdallah said...

I have refuted the points of this video in this link:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6590312557191237519&postID=3884416334885901598


First time I see David Wood screaming. It's ok, we all get passionate about our beliefs. I will try to call in this coming week, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing), to see discuss few verses with Sam and David. Hopefully, it will get posted here on this web site.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Osama Abdallah said...

".....Osama stated (in his debate with Nabeel, I think) that the reason why he is a Muslim is because of the scientific miracle of the Quran.....I will presuppose that the Quran is scientifically accurate.
My 1st objection is based on the discovery of out-of-place artifacts (OOPA) and archaeology. OOPA and archaeology has proven that ancient cultures knew a lot about the natural world; they were very advanced, did things that we cannot do today and were quite smart...."

If you presuppose that the Glorious Quran is Scientifically Accurate, then we are close to have you accept Islam, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).

You first of all don't have to presuppose anything, because the Quran is indeed Scientifically Accurate: http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links. I challenge you to challenge yourself to read this link thoroughly, sir.

As to the ancient civilizations predicting history and having Miracles that were discovered today, we Muslims believe that Previous Divine Revelations Came down from Allah Almighty to mankind. These could be remnants of Ancient Revelations and Divine Truth.

I hope this helps.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

leviMichael said...

If you presuppose that the Glorious Quran is Scientifically Accurate, then we are close to have you accept Islam, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).

You are joking, right?

You first of all don't have to presuppose anything, because the Quran is indeed Scientifically Accurate: http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links. I challenge you to challenge yourself to read this link thoroughly, sir.

This is irrelevant to my case.

As to the ancient civilizations predicting history and having Miracles that were discovered today, we Muslims believe that Previous Divine Revelations Came down from Allah Almighty to mankind. These could be remnants of Ancient Revelations and Divine Truth.

What??
The Muslim (Osama) claim is that it was 1st revealed in the Quran; how could Muhammad know these things?

So what u are saying is, if we discover that some ancient culture knew about these scientific knowledge before it was revealed in the Quran, then it still proves the Muslim claim that it was 1st revealed in the Quran? what brilliant logic! Islam really makes smart people!

Anyway, where’s your archaeological/historical evidence that these ancient cultures worshipped your Allah? All the evidence we have is that they were pagans, just like the moon-god and his three daughters (I’m sure you are familiar with them).

Even IF I agree with your faulty logic, my 2nd objection still stands.

I hope this helps.

Yeah, it helped to show once again how ridiculous Islam really is!

minoria said...

I read with interest Osama's comment thar RAB would correspond to Father.But from what I know it means "lord","master".

In the gospels we have the Greek word for Father,as used by Jesus.But in one of them,I believe in Mark,the writer uses the original Aramaic word:ABBA(Daddy,papi).

In fact,PAUL himself in one of his letters actually uses the Aramiac word ABBA to refer to God.So Reb and Abba can not be equivalent.

GOD NOT A FATHER

In the Koran God as a biological Father is rejected.But ALSO the idea of calling him Father in a SPIRITUAL sense is rejected.

WHY?

Because God is so high,glorious,exalted,magnificent that to use a word like Father is inappropiate.It is too biological.

SO?

Thank you for the input.I never thought that the use of the word FATHER in JOHN 14:16 with "the FATHER will send you another PARACLETE" in itself would disqualify it as applying to Mohammed.

I have added it to my notes.Here you can not say "Father is a corruption,ignore it".THAT can be done if we have TWO SENTENCES:ignore one,they are separate.But to break a sentence in 2 is not convincning.Since the Koran rejects the use calling God Father even in a SPIRITUAL sense,then JOHN 14:16 can not be used by Muslims.