Thursday, September 3, 2009

Rifqa Bary Returns to Court Today

Here's a video of Pam Geller of Atlas Shrugs interviewing one of Rifqa's friends at the courthouse.

Here's Pam at the Press Conference.

Here are some comments from Robert Spencer. (Note the Muslim representative, who denies that Muhammad called for the deaths of apostates.)

Here's a Muslim representative with Robert Spencer.


Radical Moderate said...

I had to put on head phones to make it out. But you can hear the CAIR representative in Atlas Shrugs interview shouting out things like.

"(a 14 year old) is not capable of making up her own mind... If she converts to islam, islam will reject her automaticaly... you kidnaped a 17 year old girl... you kidnapped her... brainwahsed...."

So lets get this straight. If a teenage girl converts to islam, islam will reject her becasue she is not capable of making up her own mind. However if a muslim man wants to mary and have sex with a 9year old thats ok, becasue she is fully formed and developed?

mkvine said...

I'm surprised to hear Muslims say "Oh, she was brainwashed by you Christians" or "She was kidnapped" or "She's not old enough to make her own decisions." What's ironic is that some Muslims are against a 17 year old girl choosing her religion on the basis that "she is not mature enough to decide," but when it comes to Aisha, she was mature and old enough to decide to marry Muhammad at 6 years old.... What hypocrisy and inconsistency!

minoria said...


I agree with you completely.The Muslim who was shouting out that she had been brainwashed most probably also believes in the authenticity of the AISHA STORY and justifies it.Look:

1.Nobody ever pointed a gun at Rifqa to make her believe.

2.For at least 3 years she was a believer.If she ever felt like LEAVING the Jesus group NOBODY would have gone to her house to harass her,intimidate her to come back.IF we are FANATICS then why do we never harass and persecute those who leave the group.

3.There is an Islamic tradition of killing apostates.


That is where her parents go to.It is not liberal.They believe in the Aisha story,right of Muslim over a captive non-Muslim woman,Jewish conspiracy,justification of Islamic terrorists.

Let us say Rifqa was brainwashed into believing in Jesus as God and Saviour.She has read the gospels alot.What does she find?A man who was a literary genius,charismatic,pacific,loving.

Do you seriously think she would have a higher opinion of the beliefs of the NOOR MOSQUE?Even if one day she stops believing in Jesus,she would compare Jesus to the ideas of the Noor Mosque and reject them again.

Nakdimon said...

It is amazing how Muslims will LIE to keep Islam going and make it look good.

One of the videos in the sub screens you have a guy saying that there is no honour killing in the Quran, knowing full well that Islam is not so much Quran as it is Hadith, according to which apostates must be killed when they leave Islam. So the deceit continues and the ignorant are being fooled by the dozens.

Also I take issue with the Islamic apologists who claim that Islam promotes interfaith dialogue and tolerance. Some apologists try to cover the intolerance of Islam by claiming that apostates may only be killed in Islamic states to prevent the apostate to persuade other Muslims to leave the faith. But they don’t realize that this just blows their entire “Islam promotes dialogue” nonsense to smithereens. Because if I as a Christian would evangelise, I would be accused of persuading Muslims away from Islam. Therefore we cant have a debate in Islamic state because I would be attempting to persuade Muslims to leave Islam. Therefore I should just shut up, not display my Bible and keep my religion to myself. And that’s where the Pact of ‘Umar comes in:

In the name of Allah, the Merciful and Compassionate. This is a letter to the servant of Allah Umar [ibn al-Khattab], Commander of the Faithful, from the Christians of such-and-such a city. When you came against us, we asked you for safe-conduct (aman) for ourselves, our descendants, our property, and the people of our community, and we undertook the following obligations toward you:

We shall not build, in our cities or in their neighborhood, new monasteries, Churches, convents, or monks' cells, nor shall we repair, by day or by night, such of them as fall in ruins or are situated in the quarters of the Muslims.

We shall not teach the Qur'an to our children.

WE SHALL NOT MANIFEST OUR RELIGION PUBLICLY NOR CONVERT ANYONE TO IT. We shall not prevent any of our kin from entering Islam if they wish it.

We shall show respect toward the Muslims, and we shall rise from our seats when they wish to sit.

We shall not seek to resemble the Muslims by imitating any of their garments, the qalansuwa, the turban, footwear, or the parting of the hair. We shall not speak as they do, nor shall we adopt their kunyas.

We shall not sell fermented drinks.

We shall always dress in the same way wherever we may be, and we shall bind the zunar round our waists

WE SHALL NOT DISPLAY OUR CROSSES OR OUR BOOKS IN THE ROADS OR MARKETS OF THE MUSLIMS. WE SHALL USE ONLY CLAPPERS IN OUR CHURCHES VERY SOFTLY. We shall not raise our voices when following our dead. We shall not show lights on any of the roads of the Muslims or in their markets. "


nma said...

Hello minoria,

You said:

I agree with you completely.

Well, it is not nma, it is mkvine,

minoria said...

Hello nma:

Sorry for the mistake.It happens,what a slip on my part.The more info that comes out the worse it gets.The Noor Mosque is extremist no doubt.More than enough evidence.

The Orlando Sentinel of Florida is carrying out a campaign against reason.You see they close their eyes to the negative evidence.Why?

Only God knows if they are not receiving money for their actions.I have written to 2 of their reporters with exact information that death for apostasy is in the hadiths/or in the Koran.

They do not publish such information in their newspaper.They are not being 100% impartial.Fortunately NONIE DARWISH(of Arabs for Israel,an ex-Muslim,now Christian),IBN WARRAQ and others have been working for is doing its part.

PAMELA GELLER has got the testimony of no less than 20 PERSONS who have testified that BEFORE Rifqa fled she had been bruised or threatened by her father.Child abuse.She can give the names if the Orlando Sentinel wants to interview those people.They dont and won't.Hmmm,I think there is something wrong here.

mkvine said...

Yeah, I was wondering who minoria was addressing lol