Wednesday, June 24, 2009

Reminder: James White vs. Shamsi Ali!

This is a reminder for those in the New York area.

DR. JAMES WHITE VS. IMAM SHAMSI ALI
"THE QUR'AN AND THE BIBLE"
JULY 25th, 2009, 7:00 P.M.
UNITED PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH OF RIDGEWOOD
62-54 60th Place (off of Metropolitan Avenue)
Ridgewood, Queens, NY 11385

10 comments:

Radical Moderate said...

Dont know if this will be posted in time. But Dr White is going to be broadcasting the debate over the inertnet live. Also a half hour before the broadcast he is going to make available a video presentation on the topic.
you can listen to the debate live by following the instructions on this page.
http://www.aomin.org/articles/webcast.html

The video presentation will be available off of the main site.
www.aomin.org

Radical Moderate said...

LOL you got the wrong date, its june not july.

Radical Moderate said...

Dr Whites opening statement was by far the best I have heard on the subject. It was trueley amazing.

Nakdimon said...

FatMan I agree. James White dit far better than I expected. The fact that he could demonstrate with slides what he said about the variants in the Quranic manuscripts. That was unquestionably a big and pleasant surprise. I didnt see that one coming.

The rebuttals were way too short (I said that beforehand) to be really meaningful. I thought it was kinda strange that the bulk of the people left during James' rebuttal to go to their prayers. But what can you do about that.

The Q&A was very fascinating. Here also James clearly had the upperhand. Although I found the questions from both sides kinda shallow and weird at times.

What doesnt cease to amaze me is the standard objections of Muslims to the deity of Yeshua. Probably the dumbest objection must be "if Jesus was God and he died, who was running the world?" I cant believe that Muslims find this argument at all appealing. I think that this is an objection that could only come from Muslims to begin with. No one uses it since it was introduced and I think that is for a good reason.

But the debate was solid. And I hope that it was the foundation of many more to come.

Nakdimon

minoria said...

I didn't hear the debate but what Nakdimon said about "If Jesus was God and died then who ran the world?" is true.I heard Shabir Ally say it in a debate.The answer is God the Son is also a spirit.An immortal being.The BODY of Jesus died when the spirit left it.God the Son never died.

The same for us.We also live forever.When we die our spirit in the body goes to another dimension.Very saddened by the death of Michael Jackson yesterday.At first I thought it was a baseless rumour.I hope he made it to heaven.

That brings me to the idea that the NT is anti-Semitic.At first I thought it was true,like jewsforjudaism says.But in Michael Brown's Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus(4 vol.)he says Paul in Romans 11:1-4 says the Jews have not been rejected as the Chosen People.I was surprised to find out.How many Christians know that passage?

Then in Luke 23:33-34 Jesus on the cross says "Father,forgive them for they don't know what they do."That wipes out any idea of "the Jews are condemned forever by God".

The astonishing thing,as I found out,is that in Greek it is in the imperative mode.Jesus is ordering God (not asking)in the strongest terms to do it.How can anybody order God around?Only God can give himself orders.That shows implicitely that Jesus was God.

Can you imagine Mohammed saying:"Allah,I order you,command you,to give me victory over the Meccans."

Haecceitas said...

Nadkimon,

Probably the dumbest objection must be "if Jesus was God and he died, who was running the world?" I cant believe that Muslims find this argument at all appealing. I think that this is an objection that could only come from Muslims to begin with.

I think I've heard Jehovah's Witnesses and Christadelphians use this objection as well. It isn't very well-informed, but I can understand its appeal to someone who hasn't thought throught the issues.

Unknown said...

I miss the debate last night, can anyone tell me where to find the webcast of the debate please?

Unknown said...

Where can i find Dr White last night debate please?

Confident Christianity said...

http://www.aomin.org

OLA said...

Thanks Confident Christianity!