Thursday, May 7, 2009

VenomFangX Threatened into Silence

Make no mistake about it. If I were a Muslim, VenomFangX would be dead, so it didn't surprise me to learn that Muslims have threatened his family. I'm actually surprised that Muslims waited so long to resort to such measures.

But I'm not a Muslim, and I believe that resorting to violence and threats is wrong. This is why I find the following video disheartening.



NOTE: I have to question VenomFangX's claim that he never meant to offend anyone's beliefs. The following videos will show what I mean. (For those who are wondering, I'm posting these videos, not because I approve of the tactics, but because free speech is being threatened and because people need to understand why VenomFangX and his family are being threatened. I saw these videos a long time ago. I never posted them because I would rather approach Muslims in a manner more conducive to discussion. With that said, the material VFX presents is quite accurate, and he certainly has the right to get his point across without his family being slaughtered.)

EVERYONE LOVES ALLAH: EPISODE ONE


EVERYONE LOVES ALLAH: EPISODE TWO


It's clear from these videos that VenomFangX did intend to insult Islam. Indeed, the reason that he was threatened is obviously that he is extremely talented at ridiculing the beliefs of his opponents.

41 comments:

Radical Moderate said...

David where did you find this, I have been looking for this. LOL. The Clamation is awsome. Venom told me before he disapeard from paltalk that he permitinly took these down. Venom is really talented. Oh man I love you man you have such a wicked side to you lol.

Radical Moderate said...

LOL this is so wrong but so funny. Oh man I'm laughing so hard. I never saw the first one. THis is Monty Python on steriods. I'm lauging so hard. Could you imagine in clamation The Life of Mohamed by Ibn Ishaq lol.

Ehteshaam Gulam said...

you guys coming to Michigan?

Michelle Qureshi said...

Poor guy. Let's pray for him and his family right now. I mean it! Stop what you're doing and pray!

David Wood said...

Ehteshaam,

Yep, we'll be there. Did you have something in mind?

Ehteshaam Gulam said...

You guys want to go and get dinner? I believe I owe both you and Nabeel dinner from last time.

Nakdimon said...

Even though I cant stand Islam, I think these videos are repulsive. What was VFX thinking?

But those Muslims that threatened his family are even more disgusting and cowardice. Going after his family especially when they have nothing to do with the “ministry” of VFX is just straight up devilish.

Sepher Shalom said...

We all need to get used to this now. The internet connects the whole world, and brings us into contact with people prepared to kill for Islam.

Ho-Logos said...

I was so shocked to see it today - utterly disgusting.

It is one thing to receive Muslim abuse online (as I so often do) but it is a very different thing to mail ones parents and make such threats.

He is really trying to distance himself for his parents now, e.g. "This site has been taken offline by the parents of VenomFangX, they don't support/share his views and apologize if he has offended anyone."

Royal Son said...

Lord protect Shawn and His family. Have mercy upon His persecutors. Glorify yourself in this situation Lord.
Amen.

Anonymous said...

I certianly can see why Muslims are angry and upset. These videos are absolutley brilliant. However; I must admit they are a bit over the top. Vernon has every write to post theses but what he expect to happen. Of course the Muslims are going to react. Verson has insulted Allah but more than that he has insulted Mohammed. If Veron were in Pakistan he would be under a fatwah and sentanced to death.

What is troubling is not only are the Muslims threatening Vernon they are threating his family.But once again this is Islam.

Javier said...

...the religion of peace...

Anonymous said...

Veron has every right to post these videos without being threatened by representatives of the religion of peace and tolerance. After all, there is compulsion in religion. Systemic behaviour to threaten all those would dare expose Islam. However, having said this I agree with David that these videos to not promote meaningful dialogue with Muslims. Our goal in our blogs, chat rooms and You Tube presentations should be to glorify Christ and proclaim the Gospel.
An old missionary who was in India for many years and very knowledgeable about Islam told me "we should do unto others as we would have them do unto us".
Unfortunately, we as Christians often lose sight of that in our zeal to proclaim the Gospel.
I think that much of what goes on to make Islam look ridiculous comes from a sub biblical view of soteriology. I am not interested in turning a Muslim into an atheist. The Father has his elect and they will come as Jesus promised in John 6:37-38.

Anonymous said...

Since I share the position of Francis Collins, Ken Miller, etc., I feel some satisfaction that his channel has been taken down now.
And, well, he lost a lot of my respect in the whole charity-affair.

However, I also feel sorry for his family.

But the batman-idea was brilliant.

Fernando said...

VenonFangX... keep your mind cool... we'll all be praying for you and your familie...

Sami Zaatari said...

I dont think anyone threatened venomfangx, the fact is is that he is in some other trouble, starting with his parents, who themselves shut his website down because they dont agree with him, and he lives under their roof, so i think they forced him to stop this. secondly, venom has been playing alot with donations recently and its been being caught on by many atheists and they have been trying to show how he has been doing illegal things with the donations etc etc, so he was getting in trouble with that on the leagal side of things, so saying oh some Muslims made these threats is an easy way out and to go down as the hero. most youtubers arent even buying it. plus we need some proof that he was actually threatened in the manner he was, for instance when i was acting like a maniac 2 months ago there was proof against me and so forth, here was have no proof at all, rather we have an entire other context of issues which give us a better reason as to why venomfangx is really leaving youtube.

btw, those 2 videos you posted, those videos are OLD OLD OLD, venomfangx even removed them himself, he was still new back then.

Bryant said...

Nakdimon,

These videos are very old. He had taken these down from his account a long time ago, and apologized for them. Despite these videos being a little over the top, I do believe that all venom wanted to do was expose Islam. His main purpose was never to just mock Muslims.

ubiquitouserendipity said...

i parse my resolution to violence thusly: "i am a Christian. i love the Lord Jesus Christ. i am a grandfather. i love my family. i am an american. i love my country. i would die for all three, and would kill for the last two."

sean, i pray that you and your family are safe. get everyone out to the shooting range, and learn how to protect your family. don't play games with these people: take them at their words. we bow the knee to Jesus, not some slimy hatemongers

i will pray that this strengthens your faith, and that the Lord be glorified in your life.

keep your powder dry young brother

Peace, in His love, joe

Anonymous said...

I need to make a quick apology for mis-speling VenonFangX, Calling him Vernon was not too cool. But as yu get to know me typing is not one of my strong point. Ask those on Paltalk and in James White's chat channel

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Sami Zaatari said...

bryant Muslims do no wrong? i have a video condeming a Muslim for sending death threats to an atheist! i got this Muslim to close his sock account and end his threats. so no, when Muslims do wrong I do speak against it, heck just click on the last few blogs, i openly condemned Nadir ahmed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! heck i am evidence of Muslims DO WRONG, how many times have i admitted i have done wrong things and publicly apolpgized for it?

Locrian said...

Deja Vu huh people? On July 17th of last year I made a video condemning the cowardice of Venom. I stand by that video today, and you can basically insert "Muslim" where before I said "TAA" or "Thunderfoot".

If the armor of Christ is too heavy, go bulk up. I have no sympathy for this child attempting to spread the word of Christ, and cowering to anyone. He made his ministry a joke 9 months ago, and finished with the punchline. Mat10:37-38. None more needs to be said.

As for mocking Allah, I have no problem with this. Though I'm much closer with Iceyy, the female voice in the "Everyone Loves Allah" videos, they will not be removed from MuhammadTube even upon request from Venom. They are funny, not his sole property, and if YHWH had no problem with Elijah mocking false gods and their prophets (1ki 18:27), I most certainly have no problem running these videos. People need to blow off steam.

I can only hope Shawn grows in Christ, and begins to trust more in Him then in rantings of some lunatic trying to scare off some Christian with many subscribers. I hope this ends "venomfangX" so Shawn can start to grow.

Ps: My thoughts nine months ago- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3lD8zoC0M4&feature=PlayList&p=0E467A20C0A8CD8E&index=0&playnext=1

IslamSINS said...

Luke 14:28 "For which one of you, when he wants to build a tower, does not first sit down and calculate the cost to see if he has enough to complete it?

My opinion now, is the same as it was in July 08, when death-threats to Shawn's family caused him to close his YT account.

We're to "count the cost" before we start building our tower, not leaving it incomplete, saying, "Woops, I don't have whatever it takes to finish my tower".

I have never been a supporter or detractor of Sean's ministry, and I think he'll make a fine apologist ... someday in the future, when he ripens a bit.

Criticizing Islam is unlike criticizing any other cult on the planet - well, 'cept for maybe Hubbard's herd of lunatics - so for Shawn to have revealed enough personal info to someone, to be able to identify him, is a most careless (naive?) attitude when poking the hornet's nest called Islam.

Personally, I find Islam worthy of every ounce of ridicule beamed in its direction. It's the cult of perpetual rage, voodoo superstitions, a god who appeared to be in the early stages of Alzheimer's, a false messenger who cared more for his genitals than the souls of his blind followers, and a host of pagan behaviors so steeped in pre-Islamic Arab society, I'm only shocked that it has a follower at all. Must be that pesky death penalty looming on the horizon of the apostates.

Count the cost prior to prematurely launching your career; the bigger they are, the harder they fall.

I certainly pray for the safety of Shawn and his family, but I also pray he'll seek spiritual wisdom before making another return, for return he most certainly will.

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ubiquitouserendipity said...

Blogger Locrian said...

Deja Vu huh people? On July 17th of last year I made a video condemning the cowardice of Venom. I stand by that video today, and you can basically insert "Muslim" where before I said "TAA" or "Thunderfoot".

If the armor of Christ is too heavy, go bulk up. I have no sympathy for this child attempting to spread the word of Christ, and cowering to anyone. He made his ministry a joke 9 months ago, and finished with the punchline. Mat10:37-38. None more needs to be said.

As for mocking Allah, I have no problem with this. Though I'm much closer with Iceyy, the female voice in the "Everyone Loves Allah" videos, they will not be removed from MuhammadTube even upon request from Venom. They are funny, not his sole property, and if YHWH had no problem with Elijah mocking false gods and their prophets (1ki 18:27), I most certainly have no problem running these videos. People need to blow off steam.

I can only hope Shawn grows in Christ, and begins to trust more in Him then in rantings of some lunatic trying to scare off some Christian with many subscribers. I hope this ends "venomfangX" so Shawn can start to grow.

Ps: My thoughts nine months ago- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3lD8zoC0M4&feature=PlayList&p=0E467A20C0A8CD8E&index=0&playnext=1.

ubiquitouserendipity says: that is a must-see video in this matter locrian. this is definitely a case of "oh-shucks-not-again" (i hardly use "shucks"). shawn/sean seems to be playing at being an apologist. the first point of public discourse: know your audience/opponent.

in the case of mohammedans, one must understand that those that do respond anonymously will do so deviantly, outside of accepted societal norms for comparison of philosophical differences. they take mohammed at his words. we must take them at his words also. time for interpretation is past, imo, due to the fact that all indicators in the world cause me to believe that the next terror attack, no matter where, and regardless of target, will be perpetrated by a mohammedan moslum, against innocents, based solely on their non-belief or disbelief in mohammed and his koran and his allah. and that target could well be a single isolated internet warrior for Jesus who is possibly imprudent and naive, and truly hasn't weighed the cost.

the first time for shawn/sean should have been fair warning. a second time in 10 months or so is evidence of insincerity in my opinion.

i hope and pray that he will be a bit more responsible, alot more, and take his time before jumping back in to his website and clothing line ;+}

Peace, in His love, joe

Stephanie said...

I only watched a portion of the first video, but from what I gather I can see how it would be extremely offensive to Muslims. Nonetheless, no one should ever, ever, ever send out death threats just because of it. I hope they were simply empty threats in an attempt to keep him quiet...I'll be praying for his (and his parents') safety nevertheless.

faktb said...

Two comments.

1. These videos are insulting.

2. These videos represent much of the true teachings of Islam, showing the religion to be embarrassing, backwards, and full of mistakes.

I actually have pity on Muslims for such ridiculous teachings and traditions.

Locrian said...

You Said: "Is your comment some kind of joke?"

Reply: Did you ever hear a rim shot? Did I pipe in any canned laughter to the video I posted months ago, or did you see the trace of a "j/k" in my post? I don't think there's anything funny about caving into idiots and making your ministry secondary to Christ.

You Said: "Even the best prophets of the Lord sometimes get frustrated with the ridicule that they can get from unbelievers."

Reply: Show me where these "prophets" gave up. Show me where the disciples caved in. I'm betting you'll see they died for their conviction to the Lord, but maybe I read it wrong.

You Said: "Peep game, look at what Jeremiah said: Jeremiah 20:7
O LORD, you deceived me, and I was deceived; you overpowered me and prevailed.I am ridiculed all day long;everyone mocks me.Whenever I speak, I cry out proclaiming violence and destruction. So the word of the LORD has brought me
insult and reproach all day long.
But if I say, "I will not mention him or speak any more in his name,"his word is in my heart like a fire,a fire shut up in my bones.I am weary of holding it in;
indeed, I cannot."

Reply: My guess is that you don't even understand what you quoted to me. The last verse you quote: Jer 20:9 Then I said, I will not make mention of him, nor speak any more in his name. But his word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and I could not stay.
- tells me Jeremiah couldn't quit preaching the word of the Lord no matter how he was treated. His heart wouldn't allow it. This verse more suits my case then that of your own, but thank you. I appreciate the help.


You Said: "What about when Paul was frustrated at the Jews for rejecting the gospel? What did he do? Acts 18:6

But when the Jews opposed Paul and became abusive, he shook out his clothes in protest and said to them, "Your blood be on your own heads! I am clear of my responsibility. From now on I will go to the Gentiles.""

Reply: So are you saying Paul did the equivalent of deleting his You Tube account, removing his website (might I add that has a note that his mommy and daddy took it down and don't share his views)? So you're saying Paul never really went on to the Gentiles? Why was Paul decapitated then? I mean according to you, he cared more about his life then that of Christ message, so I'm a bit confused at your comparison if this isn't your meaning.

You Said: "Even the best of men, get frustrated in ministry. Are you gonna really charge Paul and Jeremiah with running away? So you saying that he was running only serves to highlight how inexperienced you are at preaching God's word."

Reply: Neither Jeremiah, nor Paul ran. That's why those examples prove my point, and not yours. Jeremiah told us he couldn't go without praising the Word of the Lord. And no offense, but VFX is no Jeremiah. Paul wasn't running for fear. He shook of his robes with a "Pffft...get-chew-some" attitude and moved on to the Gentiles. These are soldiers of the Lord.


You Said: "Might I ask where is your fruit? It is really easy to condemn another brother in Christ for his work when you don't get nearly as many threats as he does."

Reply: Since you have absolutely no clue about my works or fruits - and, evidently, no clue about much else, either - are you now arrogant enough that I should be called to account to you? Please, get over yourself.

You're free to blow smoke up Shawn's skirt, but my opinion still stands. He needs to do some real growing before he damages the Christian message with these admissions of weakness, and lack of faith in our Lord Christ.

My video nine moths ago said this, and IslamSins started it, but here it is in a nut shell:
Luk 14:28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
Luk 14:29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,

And the atheist and the Muslim laugh on........

Bryant said...
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Unknown said...

Wow, I did not realize that Satan was told to bow dow to Adam according to Islam. That would make Allah one who instigates sin.

Royal Son said...

The sin of Shirk no less.

It seems that Islam has compromised itself on every imaginable level

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...
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Michelle Qureshi said...

Go for it :-)

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Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

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Jonathan said...

Venomfangx Apologizes to the Internets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_MYyc-PtH4

I think its really unfair to blame anyone until you have actually seen the threat with your own eyes.

Shawn made the same accusations last year claiming his family was receiving threats. This threats were never confirmed.

Once upon a time ..... Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj3xmMBvlX0&feature=channel_page

Once upon a time ..... Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akTIiXxx6-c&feature=channel_page

Maybe you should catch up on some updated information.

Then make some calls.

IslamSINS said...

Now that VFX has made his dramatic "return" to YouTube, are we all getting battle weary from his drama-queen performance(s)?

*IF* he was threatened into silence, closing his account, is he now "unthreatened" and filled with a zeal for our Lord, or is this simply Act 1, Chapter 2 in what might become a revolving door conduct, making Christians like him, who vacillate twixt bold and blah, blah, another piece of laughingstock?

Remember, his adoration of Hovind, might say something about VFX's character that makes him unworthy of any attention at all.

Sepher Shalom said...

IslamSINS: "Now that VFX has made his dramatic "return" to YouTube, are we all getting battle weary from his drama-queen performance(s)?I don't think VFX has currently made a "dramatic return" to YouTube.

His channel shows in the description section that he will no longer be making any videos. All his videos are deleted except for one video explaining why he will no longer be making videos.

I do have to wonder about the wisdom of reopening his channel, even with his videos erased, and making a video to explain why he would no longer be making videos if he is doing this based on a serious and actionable threat. But then again, I don't exactly have all the facts.

Katinka said...

I have been praying for Syou, hawn. I'm thinking about you and your family and praise God that He is using you for His glory. Thank you also for blessing us with your videos. We miss you and hope to see you very soon somewhere, someday. :) Love in our Lord Jesus. Kathy

Katinka said...

Shawn, I'm still praying for you and your family. I think of you often and thank God He is using you for His glory. We all hope to see you soon sometime, someday. Love in the name of our Lord Jesus.
Kathy

Turandot said...

Folks, VFX's claims about being threatened with death by Muslims and, for that matter, atheists, too, are pure fabrications. Shawn has virtually no credibility but does have an active imagination.