Thursday, March 12, 2009

Muhammad on the Prayer-Stoppers: Demonic Dogs, Women, and Donkeys

This is a familiar hadith, but Tirmidhi's version is interesting because of the additional commentary. Notice that when the early Muslims heard Muhammad's teaching on broken prayer, the only question that came to their minds was: "Why don't other dogs sever the prayer the way women and donkeys do? Why only the black dogs?" Muhammad's response was that only black dogs break prayers (the way women and donkeys do), since black dogs are demonic. In other words, most dogs aren't bad enough to sever prayers. Only demonic dogs, women, and donkeys break a prayer.

Jami At-Tirmidhi 338--Abu Dharr said that Allah's Messenger said: "When a man performs Salat, and there is nothing in front of him like the post of a saddle, or a camel saddle, then his Salat is severed by (passing of) a black dog, a woman, and a donkey." It was said to Abu Dharr: "What is the problem with the black dog rather than the red or white one?" He said: "O my nephew! I asked Allah's Messenger just as you have asked me. He said: 'The black dog is a Shaitan (devil).'"

I couldn't invent stuff like this if I tried.

13 comments:

Fernando said...

Doctor Wood saide: «I couldn't invent stuff like this if I tried»...

Yep... it's looking more and more likke a Marx's Brothers movie... We all know that islam has problemmes withe black people... now he see it also habe problems with blacke dogs...

Nakdimon said...

Man, Muhammad was a RACIST!


Only BLACK dogs are prayer stoppers,

Jami At-Tirmidhi 338--Abu Dharr said that Allah's Messenger said: "When a man performs Salat, and there is nothing in front of him like the post of a saddle, or a camel saddle, then his Salat is severed by (passing of) a black dog, a woman, and a donkey." It was said to Abu Dharr: "What is the problem with the black dog rather than the red or white one?" He said: "O my nephew! I asked Allah's Messenger just as you have asked me. He said: 'The black dog is a Shaitan (devil).'"


dreams of BLACK women are a bad omen,

Bukhari Volume 9, Book 87, Number 163: Narrated Salim's father The Prophet said, "I saw (in a dream) a black woman with unkempt hair going out of Medina and settling in Mahai'a. I interpreted that as (a symbol of) epidemic of Medina being transferred to Mahai'a, namely, Al-Juhfa."


if you want to know what Satan looks like you should go to a BLACK man,

Ishaq: 243 I have heard the apostle say: Whoever wants to see Shaytaan should look at Nabtal . He was a sturdy black man with long flowing hair,


if you mistake Muhammad for a BLACK man you are killed,

Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun, said, "Anyone who says that the Prophet was black should be killed." (Muhammad Messenger of Allah (Ash-Shifa of Qadi 'Iyad), Qadi 'Iyad Musa al-Yahsubi, translated by Aisha Abdarrahman Bewley [Madinah Press, Inverness, Scotland, U.K. 1991; third reprint, paperback], p. 375)


BLACK people are called “raisin heads”
Bukhari Volume 9, Book 89, Number 256: Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah’s Apostle said, “You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin.”

Yeah… Islam is “the BLACK man” religion. Sure! Why don’t all non-blacks call all black Muslims “raisin heads”? See what their reactions will be. And if they cry racism and bigotry, then they should take issue with their own prophet, not with anyone else.

Anonymous said...

The Jesus seminar has an interesting criteria.

- If the reported sayings of Jesus reflect the doctrine of the early church, it's probably not authentic.

Muslims seem to use this criteria:

- If the reported saying of Muhammed contradict the doctrine of the early ummah, it's probably not authentic.

Both are begging the question.

Let's see if I can find one that makes more sense:

- If the reported sayings of X contradict the doctrine of the early community based on those sayings, those are probably authentic.

Let me give you an example by WLC (I used to think I overrate him but now I think I underrate him):

Jesus’s self-concept as God’s son comes to explicit expression in Matthew 11.27: "All things have been delivered to me by my Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him." Again there is good reason to regard this as an authentic saying of the historical Jesus. It is drawn from an old source which was shared by Matthew and Luke, which scholars call the Q document. Moreover, it is unlikely the Church invented this saying because it says that the Son is unknowable-- "no one knows the Son except the Father"--, but for the post-Easter church we can know the Son. So this saying is not the product of later Church theology. What does this saying tell us about Jesus’s self-concept? He thought of himself as the exclusive and absolute Son of God and the only revelation of God to mankind!

Nora said...

I actually came across this the first time I visited a masjid. After the prayer finished, I was getting ready to leave and started walking to the door. There was a woman who was doing extra raka's right in front of the door. Having no idea about this prayer nullification thingy, I started walking to the door and was nearly tackled by another woman and pull away.

So apparently, as a woman, I'm some sort of radioactive prayer nullifier.

Stephanie said...

I have a black dog; I guess I'm going to have to start referring to her as Sadie the Demon Dog.

On a serious note, that's a pretty ludicrous doctrine in my opinion. No material being can "nullify" prayer--and even if this was true, isn't that speaking to the nature of Allah? He can't be all-powerful and all-knowing if something he created has the ability to cancel out the prayers of his people.

Fernando said...

OumAmir said... «So apparently, as a woman, I'm some sort of radioactive prayer nullifier»...

Hyikes! spookie... you mean some sort off source off the terrible "women flu pandemique" that scares to deaf muslims all around the worlde?

I'ma alreadie seeing the next picture to bee produced in Meccahood: «Die Hard onn the ground floor: the escape of the tetraplegic woumen prayer nullifier plague»

Unknown said...

Aisha refutes these fabricated hadith.....

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/004.smt.html

Book 004, Number 1037:
'Urwa b. Zubair reported: 'A'isha asked: What disrupts the prayer? We said: The woman and the ass. Upon this she remarked: Is the woman an ugly animal? I lay in front of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) like the bier of a corpse and he said prayer

David Wood said...

Khayyam,

And how do you know that Aisha said this? Let me guess: Because scholars have declared this hadith to be sahih?

Oops. Here's a problem. We have ahadith reporting Muhammad's comments about women disrupting prayer that are sahih as well.

So if both are sahih, and they contradict one another, do you simply pick the one you like best and call the other "fabricated"?

Do you expect the rest of us to agree with you and to accept your absurd methodology?

Doesn't this show how flawed Hadith criticism is?

My solution is a bit different. I think that Muhammad was simply inconsistent on this point. That is, he told his followers that women and demonic dogs ruin prayers. But when his beloved Aisha was around, the rules went out the window.

Fernando said...

Khayyam...

two problems with your remarkes...

# 1: on one hand we habe hadiths witch presents Muhammad speaking... on the other hand we have hadiths witch presentes ladie Aiesha speaking...

so: iff they are bouth ortodox ones (I don't know the tecnical worde...) witch one would you say it's true? the one from allah's (supposed) prophet, or someone (who crearly suffered from Stockolm sindrome) like ladie Aiesha?

# 2: eben the hadith you presented dont say Aiesha presence did not nullify Muhammads prayer... he continued (and I'll ignorre the question about the special way it presentes Aiesha corporale expression...) to pray... the prayer, non the less, could habe been nullified...

Nakdimon said...

“Upon this she remarked: Is the woman an ugly animal?”

LOL! So what is the woman: ugly or an animal?

Nakdimon said...

“I lay in front of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) like the bier of a corpse and he said prayer”

Ah! That explains why his prayers were never answered.

Fernando said...

Nakdimon said... “Upon this she remarked: Is the woman an ugly animal?”LOL! So what is the woman: ugly or an animal?

point made!!! the problemme, it seams, was not being considered as an animal (she was ok with thate... it seams... perhapes because that was the typical way Muhammad treatted her...), but an huglie animal...

whate does that say about Muhammads other douzens of women? thei must habe been not bery beautifull if his heart (miss Aiesha) was ungly...

Royal Son said...

Islam seems to be like a careless robber, it leaves too many muddy footprints around. Thank the Lord for the internet, which has been Islam's bane. The more the light shines, the more the darkness is exposed.

God bless you all.