Monday, February 2, 2009

The Difference Between Israel and Hamas

55 comments:

Bassam said...

Yes, we can show a few examples of some good things that the Israeli soldiers have done and then excuse them for invading Palestine, displacing hundreds of thousands of people, stealing their land and property and commit mass murder of them.

And who are the main supporters of this genocide? Wonderful evangelical Christian Zionists who interpret the Bible to say that they should support Israel at all costs. Hmmm... and only Islam is accussed of being a religion of terror?

Bfoali said...

Very true brother Bassam. I wish all we needed was ONE act of kindness to justify our support for the Israeli army. Actually David maybe you should have a video called The difference between America and the Nazis and show where a Nazi spared someone’s life and tell the supporters of Hitler that there support is fine.
I still am a bit confused as to what David was trying to show with this video? Maybe he was trying to prove that Cherry Picking is the best way to confuse his fans.

El-Cid said...

Bassam said: "And who are the main supporters of this genocide? Wonderful evangelical Christian Zionists who interpret the Bible to say that they should support Israel at all costs. Hmmm... and only Islam is accussed of being a religion of terror?"

Oh please. Don't give me that crap, Bassam.

Your religion teaches you to support other Muslims over and above "kuffar", AND it teaches that the whole world belongs to the Muslims.

Get off your high horse. The altitude is screwing up your vision.

El-Cid said...

...and by the way Bassam...as you obviosly know you can't blame the "evil Zionists" for that poor man losing his legs.

Rather, it is yet another casualty in a long line of evidence showing that the people Muslims are best at killing and maiming is other Muslims.

Nakdimon said...

El-Cid, I suggest you get acquainted with the Muslim policy of "if all else fails...blame the Jews". Or the CIA for that matter...

Nakdimon

Bassam said...

Hah Nakdimon, very funny. Get with the facts and accept the fact that Israel invaded Palestine unjustly and displaced hundreds of thousands of people. Just deal with the facts. Be a good Jew or whatever you like to call yourself like other Jews and Christians who condemn the state of Israel.

Bassam said...

David should have titled the post "The Difference Between the Israeli Government and the Nazi Regime", ooooooops, there is no difference...

THE GRANDCHILDREN OF HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS FROM WORLD WAR II ARE DOING TO THE PALESTINIANS EXACTLY WHAT WAS DONE TO THEM BY NAZI GERMANY

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

I mentioned it before to Sami, I received a CD from some Christian friends of mine informing about Israeli relief work in the Palestinian community.

In this case an Israeli organization providing medical help for Palestinians, which the Palestinian authorities did not bother about, being too busy motivating the people for war and draining the resources to mobilize the military force of Gaza. I am not defending every act of the Israelies, but I think this shows a whole lot. The Palestinians need to calme down and move with their lives. I know that is easy to say, but that is still the reality.

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

Also I am not entirely in agreement with Bassam here. He equates the normalcy of war with genocide.

While war is deplorable, and we should avoid war and not praise war, and of course civilians get killed, yet war and genocide are two very different things.

If the Israelites went in and began to gather the Palestinian population and systematically slaughter them, yeah then I would categorize it as genocide, yet so far this is a war (even though deplorable). May God bring peace to Israelites and Palestinians alike.

However, I find it amazing that Muslims are so quick to describe the invasion of Palestine genocide and condemn it, when at the same time they call for the systematic murder of apostates, which is genocide.

David Wood said...

Yes, we need to be very clear on this. If the Israelis wanted to destroy the Palestinians, they could do so quite easily. Indeed, Israel could defeat the entire Middle East. But they don't. They don't want to. They simply want to live in peace and safety.

Now, would Hamas show such restraint if they had the power to obliterate the Israelis? I seriously doubt it.

DAN12345 said...

Why is it when there is a ceasefire and hamas throws a few rockets over to israel why doesnt bassam or sami condemn this and say they are wrong in doing this.You will never hear a muslim tell the truth.bassam wrote"stealing their land and property".i would like bassam to know his facts.Your condemning israel against what?Before 1967 who was in the west bank was jordanians!not palestinians.There is not and never was a nation called palestine.They lived under jordanian rule they acknowledged king abdullah.When the jews returned to israel suddenly they started saying we are palestinians.The arab leaders removed the star from the jordanian flag and then u made a palestinian flag!its time for all you muslims to admit you hate the jews,regardless.Even a stone will cry out there is a jew hiding behind me!amazing a jew even finds his way into the end of times senarios in islam.Jews were killed in fez morocco in 1146 and 1160 a slaughter of 120,000 jews.Yemen 1724 they ordered synagogues to be destroyed and jewish public prayers forbidden,they were exiled.

DAN12345 said...

In 1922 the goverment of yemen reintroduced a ancient islamic law that stated that jewish orphans under the age of 12 were to be foribly converted to islam.Great set of rules.It is never mentioned that many many palestianians sold their land to the british and the jews.It is always said they stole it.even the grand mutfi of jerusalem who sided with hitler,made a squad out of bosnian muslims to attack the jews.This grand mutfi's grandad sold his land in palestine to the jews! you can find the document online,but he said it was stolen.

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

In fact the Jews never invaded the land, they already lived there, they migrated there.

If the Jews moved in as a foreign army and attacked the habitants, yeah I would call such invasion.

I don't know how many have read or heard Muslims talk about the invasions of non-muslim soil in the so called golden ages of Islam. They would say 'when Islam moved to Spain' or Egypt; they would never refer to it Islamic invasion as invasion; rather then depicture this as a peaceful something.

The fact is that no Muslims regret the invasion of North Africa, Spain or India (Muslims still talk of Spain legally belonging to Islam, which is ridicolous).

Muslims believe in invasion, as long at Islam is the invading party.

Now, Israelites never invaded their country, a number of them already lived there (even in persecution, under a rule that strongly cooperated with the genocide of Jews in the second world war), many Jews later moved there (not in the islamic sense) without the means military power.

Do I get the feeling that Muslims equate migration with invasion?

ben malik said...

Now let's be fair. I agree that Israel should give back the land to Palestinians only when the Muslims give back all the lands they stole from the people. The Muslims should give Iran back to the Zoroastrians and Egypt back to the Copts. Once they do so then we can give the land of Israel back to the Palestinians.

This only shows that people like Bassam are not interested and do not care about justice, but only care about whatever benefits the religion of the prophet of the black stone and the serpent who authored the Quran.

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

That is a good point Malik:

The Muslims should give Egypt back to the Copts.

I guess the same goes for Turkey, Sudan and every where else a remnent of Christians have been left alive.

Amen bro (if you are a bro)

We ought to enquiry with the social party to support our new organisation 'Freedom for Egypt'.

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Moi said...

Bassam said: «"The Difference Between the Israeli Government and the Nazi Regime"...ooooooops, there is no difference»...

If you changed "Israeli Government" for "Muslims" you would be much near to the truth...

David Wood said...

Bassam is simply amazing. Muslims around the world call for the obliteration of Israel, and Bassam says, "This clearly has nothing to do with Islam or Muslims."

In an effort to defend themselves, Israel retaliates after being repeatedly attacked, and Bassam says, "This clearly shows that Israel is just like Nazi Germany."

Does anyone else detect a hint of bias?

David Wood said...

Let's face it. Muslim outrage over the Palestinians has nothing to do with the Palestinians. Muslims in general couldn't care less about the Palestinians. Muslims simply use the Palestinians to inspire hatred against Israel. Why do Muslims hate Israel? Quite simply, Muslims can't stand the fact that a small number of Jews have more military power than the entire Middle East put together. Israel is a constant reminder of Western supremacy. Muslims can't take this, since their religion teaches them that they're supposed to have the upper hand.

DAN12345 said...

60-80 percent of the land islam has today has been taken by force!from other people!muslims are so quick to point the finger.There is no rule in for us christians to make mosques into churches etc,but yet how many churches have been made into mosques.Haghia sophia one of the greatest churches ever made when the muslims took over they took it for a mosque.Today they say it is a "museum" not a mosque but they still do regular prayers there,they have an imam there.They is not rule for us christians to take land and conquer.Our only goal is to spread the gospel,islams only goal is world conquest by the sword.The words of Jesus should stay in muslims hearts "those who live by the sword will die by the sword".You will definetly know a bad tree by the fruit it produces.So i believe the biggest sin the muslims commits is their utter unacceptance of the plain truth of things.Jesus also said ""If you were blind, you would have no sin; but since you say, 'We see,' your sin remains"

Nakdimon said...

Bassam: “Hah Nakdimon, very funny. Get with the facts and accept the fact that Israel invaded Palestine unjustly and displaced hundreds of thousands of people. Just deal with the facts. Be a good Jew or whatever you like to call yourself like other Jews and Christians who condemn the state of Israel.”

Sorry, Bassam. Unlike those Jews and Christians that you call “good people”, I am not a Muslim-appeaser. I would rather not be “good” and speak the truth then believe lies and appease Muslims.

Want to talk facts?

Fact: there was no Palestinian state EVER before the last sovereign state to inhabit that region.
Fact: the last sovereign state to inhabit that region was Israel.
Fact: Israel was forced to leave their land almost 2000 years ago.
Fact: that region NEVER belonged to “Palestinians” as a people.
Fact: Everyone, no matter what race or creed, living in that region was a Palestinian: there were Christian Palestinians, Jewish Palestinians, Arab Palestinians, etc.
Fact: It was always a REGION under different Mandates
Fact: The British had the last Mandate of that region
Fact: The British decided to share the land and give somewhat 75% to the Arab Palestinians (Jordan, Gaza and the West Bank)
Fact: The British gave about 25% to the Jewish people
Fact: The Jewish people accepted their small share
Fact: The Arabs rejected the thought of a Jewish state, joined forces and attacked Israel 4 times in order to wipe it of the map
Fact: When they attacked Israel they told the Arabs to get out between the Jews, because their rockets wouldn’t be able to distinguish between Jews and Arabs.
Fact: The Arabs promised the Arab Palestinians that they would be able to take all of the land of Israel after their sure victory over the Jewish people
Fact: They got their butts whipped, once in 6 days (!) and there was no return.
Fact: Because of the Arab defeat, the Palestinian Arabs were trapped in what they call now the “refugee camps”.
Fact: Those Arabs in the so-called “refugee camps” can forget ever to return to the Promised Land (i.e. promised to the Jewish people)
Fact: The Muslim countries can easily absorb those Palestinian Arabs and help them out of their misery, but refuse to do so because once the “refugee” problem is solved, they have nothing left to harass Israel with and Israel will finally have peace, which happens to be something the Arab countries can not stand and therefore will not allow.
Fact: So the Arab countries do nothing for "the Palestinian" people except to pretend to care when "the Palistinians" get themselves in trouble with Israel. This is evident because of their failure to supply their Palestinian Muslim brothers financially, in spite all of those petrol dollars.
Fact: The only reason that Muslims are so outraged about Israel’s existence is because they believe that the region was once under Islamic rule and has to return under Islamic rule. If the Jewish people would embrace Islam, the entire ordeal in that region would stop in an instance. But we know that will not happen so therefore the saga continues.


Instead of you Muslims getting a life of your own, you would rather bother Israel. Build yours, make concessions in peace talks with the Israelis. But no! You want the arm and the leg but wont give anything in return. Isn't it funny that the people of the "religion of peace" in the ME will want to kill everyone of whom they suspect to have ties with Israel? Isn't it funny that the people of the "religion of peace" in the ME will vilify anyone that tries to reconcile with Israel? Isn’t it funny that those who strongly oppose Israel and want no peace with Israel is the highest in regard in the ME?

You realy want to talk about facts Bassam?

Nakdimon

David Wood said...

I think Muslims should give back Arabia to the polytheists.

Nakdimon said...

OOOOOOOOOOW! That is a good point!

Bassam said...

Hogan said: In this case an Israeli organization providing medical help for Palestinians, which the Palestinian authorities did not bother about, being too busy motivating the people for war and draining the resources to mobilize the military force of Gaza. I am not defending every act of the Israelies, but I think this shows a whole lot.

Fine you have an Israeli organization doing something good, but how does that justify its government’s actions of stopping medical supplies from reaching Gaza? This organization wouldn’t be needed if its terrorist government didn’t bother the Palestinians.

Hogan said: The Palestinians need to calme down and move with their lives.

Hogan, Palestinians are oppressed under the Israelis. The Israelis demolish their homes to open more settlements for Jews and they cut down their olive trees leaving them unemployed. What do you mean “move on”? They won’t “move on” until Israel surrenders the land that it stole. That is the reality. Palestinians are even willing to only go back to the 1967 borders and not even 1948 (which they still deserve to have). The Saudi King in 2002 offered Israel the opportunity to have full relations with ALL Arab countries in peace in return to the 1967 borders. But the Israeli terrorist government refuses.

David said: They simply want to live in peace and safety.

Now, would Hamas show such restraint if they had the power to obliterate the Israelis? I seriously doubt it.


Would America show restraint to Cuba if it invaded Florida? David look at context please. Also, look over here

And read this as well.

Dan said: Why is it when there is a ceasefire and hamas throws a few rockets over to israel why doesnt bassam or sami condemn this and say they are wrong in doing this.

Dan, get your facts straight. Israel broke the ceasefire. See here

Dan said: even the grand mutfi of jerusalem who sided with hitler,made a squad out of bosnian muslims to attack the jews

This stupid argument is refuted here

Hogan said: In fact the Jews never invaded the land, they already lived there, they migrated there.

Lol Hogan, some Jews lived there. They invaded it as the historical record clearly shows in 1948. That is not disputed.

Hogan said: They would say 'when Islam moved to Spain' or Egypt; they would never refer to it Islamic invasion as invasion; rather then depicture this as a peaceful something.

You’re comparing apples with oranges. We are not simply discussing an ordinary conquest of a country here. We are speaking about the nature of the conquest. You gave Spain as an example. I clearly prove over here in my rebuttal to Wafa Sultan that Muslims invaded Spain who was oppressing and persecuting religious minorities in their country. It was actually non-Muslims who requested the Muslims to liberate them.

As for Israel invading Palestine, they displaced hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homes with no right whatsoever. So the two situations are completely different.


David said: Muslims in general couldn't care less about the Palestinians. Muslims simply use the Palestinians to inspire hatred against Israel. Why do Muslims hate Israel? Quite simply, Muslims can't stand the fact that a small number of Jews have more military power than the entire Middle East put together. Israel is a constant reminder of Western supremacy. Muslims can't take this, since their religion teaches them that they're supposed to have the upper hand.

How dare you degrade Muslims down to the level of not caring for Palestinians? The only reason why a small number of Jews have more military power is because of your filthy Christian Zionist brothers and President supplying them with weapons to murder not only Palestinian Muslims, but Christians as well.

Listen to the following Christians shame you for your support of Israel who are also responsible for the persecution of your Palestinian Christian brethren in faith:

Gaza Made Simple for Christians

Should Christians Support Israeli Terrorism in Gaza?
Nakdimon said:

Fact: there was no Palestinian state EVER before the last sovereign state to inhabit that region.
Fact: the last sovereign state to inhabit that region was Israel.
Fact: Israel was forced to leave their land almost 2000 years ago.


Even if I were to agree with this, which I don’t (read History of Palestine
), how does that justify invading and displacing the people who were living in that land?

So Israelis could come 2000 years later and displace people? Were they forced to leave by Palestinians living 2000 years ago? If no, then why punish them?


Nakdimon said: Fact: that region NEVER belonged to “Palestinians” as a people.

Quit the word games and deal with the fact that there were hundreds of thousands people living their and had property and were kicked out by the Jewish Israeli terrorists.


Nakdimon said:
Fact: The British had the last Mandate of that region
Fact: The British decided to share the land and give somewhat 75% to the Arab Palestinians (Jordan, Gaza and the West Bank)
Fact: The British gave about 25% to the Jewish people
Fact: The Jewish people accepted their small share
Fact: The Arabs rejected the thought of a Jewish state, joined forces and attacked Israel 4 times in order to wipe it of the map


Umm no the Jews were to receive 56%, while the Arabs were to receive 42%

Nakdimon said:

Fact: Because of the Arab defeat, the Palestinian Arabs were trapped in what they call now the “refugee camps”


Don’t give a distorted perception of the truth. You’re making it sound like the Arab Israeli war resulted in the refugee camps, which is false. There were already Palestinian refugees before the first Arab Israeli war. Why? Because your blood sucking Jewish Israeli terrorist brethren kicked them out, that’s why.

Nakdimon said:

Fact: Those Arabs in the so-called “refugee camps” can forget ever to return to the Promised Land (i.e. promised to the Jewish people)
Fact: The Muslim countries can easily absorb those Palestinian Arabs and help them out of their misery, but refuse to do so because once the “refugee” problem is solved, they have nothing left to harass Israel with and Israel will finally have peace, which happens to be something the Arab countries can not stand and therefore will not allow.
Fact: So the Arab countries do nothing for "the Palestinian" people except to pretend to care when "the Palistinians" get themselves in trouble with Israel. This is evident because of their failure to supply their Palestinian Muslim brothers financially, in spite all of those petrol dollars.


Pure ignoramus you are. Saudi Arabia donated 1 billion dollars to Gaza to rebuild itself after the Israeli terrorists destroyed it.

The disgusting hatred you have towards Muslims and the bias you have for your Jewish terrorist friends is crystal clear. You just can’t bring it to yourself to condemn the invasion. You have the nerve to say “look guys we stole your land okay. Just deal with it. Forget about getting it back. Shoo along. By the way Jesus loves you and we are a peaceful people”

What disgusting filth.

David said: I think Muslims should give back Arabia to the polytheists.

Where are they? They would probably still be around if they didn’t break the treaty of Hudaybiyyah and constantly harass the Muslims.

And oh yeah they would still be around if they didn’t convert in big mass numbers (yes willingly, read how thousands converted willingly after the conquest of Mecca and during the treaty of Hudaybiyyah)

In conclusion, any Christian who supports Israel is either:

- A scumbag hypocrite who tries to say that others are violent while they are the most wicked of people.

- Really don’t understand politics and are victims of biased media.


Regards,

Bassam

Bassam said...

Videos that Israel Doesn't Want You To See

Who uses human shields: Hamas or Israel?

Exhibition on Albanian Muslims Who Sheltered Jews during WWII

Debating with Zionists: the claim that Arabs expelled Jews from their lands after the creation of Israel

ben malik said...

Bassam has to lie since Muhammad is his example. The pagans would still be around IF MUHAMMAD, the black stone idol kissing false prophet, DIDN'T BREAK THE TREATY. Stop lying and get your facts straight.

Nakdimon said...

Bassam, since you are into challenging people, challenge Ben Malik on this claim he just made: Muslims broke the treaty with the pagans. (@ Hudaibiya, I suppose)

I DARE YOU!!!

Nakdimon

Yahya Hayder Seymour said...

Nakdimon,

Perhaps its better we just leave Ben Malik alone for now, no challenges, he needs to prepare for his debate with Farhan Qureshi remember.

Nakdimon said...

Bassam: “Even if I were to agree with this, which I don’t (read History of Palestine
), how does that justify invading and displacing the people who were living in that land?

So Israelis could come 2000 years later and displace people? Were they forced to leave by Palestinians living 2000 years ago? If no, then why punish them?”


First, the link is dead.
Second, I have counter-links, so what’s your point?
Third Israelis haven’t “displaced” people. The vast majority left in the hope to return after the Jews were eliminated.
Fourth, there were no “Palestinians” 2000 years ago.
Fifth, the land wasn’t the “Palestinians” to keep or give away in the first place.

By the way… here is another Islamist that wants to deny basic historical facts. This guy doesn’t agree with the points I presented. It’s truly amazing how Islam just spits in the face of history. Well then I pose the following questions:

1) Name us the last Palestinian currency, Palestinian flag, Palestinian head of state/ruler and Palestinian capital that were all part of a sovereign Palestinian state prior to 1948
2) What is the name of the last sovereign state that particularly lived in what is now Israel.
3) Show me the historical data that shows that Israelis weren’t kicked out of the land and dispersed throughout the world.


When you come with the answer to these questions, then we can have a serious dialogue. If not, then don’t even bother to respond.


Quit the word games and deal with the fact that there were hundreds of thousands people living their and had property and were kicked out by the Jewish Israeli terrorists.

Quit crying and deal with the argument. I made the argument because Muslims often use this as proof that the name “the Palestinians” are the biblical “Philistines” and thus were there first. In addition, no Muslims is bickering over the 850.000 Jews that were kicked out of Muslim countries, often escaping by the skin of their teeth, only to flea to Israel. Where is THEIR right to return and THEIR compensation?

Umm no the Jews were to receive 56%, while the Arabs were to receive 42%

By saying this, you have blown your cover and shown that you don’t even know what the region “Palestine” consisted of. Palestine was not just what is not Israel and the West Bank and Gaza, but Jordan was also included.

Notice how you are, again dodging the points made. You are not saying anything about the Arabs rejecting the proposition of peaceful co-existence with the Jews and joining forces to attack the Jews. You even took out some of the facts I posted, like this one which I suspect you don’t like that much:

Fact: Everyone, no matter what race or creed, living in that region was a Palestinian: there were Christian Palestinians, Jewish Palestinians, Arab Palestinians, etc.

Which proves that there is no “word game” being played. Fact of the matter is that there were no ethnic group called “Palestinians”. Once the world gets that, their whole view of the conflict will change severely. I doubt you even know who invented the name Palestina for that region and why.

Don’t give a distorted perception of the truth. You’re making it sound like the Arab Israeli war resulted in the refugee camps, which is false. There were already Palestinian refugees before the first Arab Israeli war. Why? Because your blood sucking Jewish Israeli terrorist brethren kicked them out, that’s why.

Oy! I think I struck a nerve there? So there were refugees prior to the Arab-Israeli conflict? Here is another distorter of truth, Islamic style, calling my point made a distortion of truth. Since you guys love the UN so much, here are the facts:

"whose normal place of residence was Palestine between June 1946 and May 1948, who lost both their homes and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict" (UNRWA)

Please, give us more historically inconsistent nonsense, which you Muslims have become totally confortable with during your 1400 years of indoctrination.

Pure ignoramus you are. Saudi Arabia donated 1 billion dollars to Gaza to rebuild itself after the Israeli terrorists destroyed it.

The disgusting hatred you have towards Muslims and the bias you have for your Jewish terrorist friends is crystal clear. You just can’t bring it to yourself to condemn the invasion. You have the nerve to say “look guys we stole your land okay. Just deal with it. Forget about getting it back. Shoo along. By the way Jesus loves you and we are a peaceful people”

What disgusting filth.



I know about the Saudi donation. But that is just this instance. The enormous bulk of aid to the Palestinian Arabs is from the West! Yes the same West that you Muslims aghast. Who else from the Muslim world donated? All those Petro-dollars and the only pride you have is Saudi Arabia? That is the only assuring news you have for your Palestinian brethren?

I don’t hate Muslims, I hate Islam, i.e. the way Muhammad and his companions lived it. I think it’s the most destructive and parasitical doctrine ever emenated from the human mind. I like the Islam that people like Ed Hussain describe it. But, unfortunately, that is not the Islam that I read about in the Islamic sources. It is the kind of Islam that I hear Khalid Yassin preach and you guys endorse that I despise with a passion, as you can tell.

And, btw, your analogy is once again very poor. Stop trying to sound like David Wood! You stink at it!


Nakdimon

ben malik said...

Nak, Bassam knows better than to challenge me. Yahya, a.k.a. Ibn the Muta lover, why Qureshi? Why not back up your mouth by detaing Shamoun? You up for it? Or too busy prostituting woman in the name of Allah and his stone kising prophet and calling it marriage?

Bassam said...

Nakdimon said: challenge Ben Malik on this claim he just made: Muslims broke the treaty with the pagans. (@ Hudaibiya, I suppose)


Nakdimon, go to my articles section on answering christianity.com. I already went three to four rounds with Ben Malik on this topic several years ago and I got the last word and he kept his mouth shut ever since. If he wants to continue the conversation, he is free to publish an article on the satanic answering islam website.


Nakdimon, all of your points are useless and you didn't give proper direct responses or comments on the links I provided.


- Go here http://l.b5z.net/i/u/6103974/f/history_of_palestine.pdf

or try this


Read from pages 18 to 25. There are 12 points and a conclusion.

DEAL WITH THE FACTSSSSSSS and stop being a good Christian who supports oppression

Regards,

Bassam

Bassam said...

Okay, I figured out the problem with the link. There shouldn't be a slash.

Now try this

Bassam said...

Nakdimon said: You are not saying anything about the Arabs rejecting the proposition of peaceful co-existence with the Jews and joining forces to attack the Jews.

I already did you liar and I said that Israel is the one who is rejecting it and the Arabs are only willing to go back to the 1967 lands and compromise on the others that your filthy Zionist brethren stole Saudi: Arab-Israel peace plan not on table forever


Nakdimon said: Please, give us more historically inconsistent nonsense, which you Muslims have become totally confortable with during your 1400 years of indoctrination.

They are talking about particular refugees. You have to remember that right before the war, many were displaced from their homes (the reasons why the Arabs had a war) and were refugees.

Nakdimon said: The enormous bulk of aid to the Palestinian Arabs is from the West!

HEY DON’T COMPLAIN ABOUT US SUPPORTING YOUR OPPRESSION BECAUSE WE ARE DONATING TO YOU.

Nakdimon said: Who else from the Muslim world donated?

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DAN12345 said...

Bassam wrote "Dan said: Why is it when there is a ceasefire and hamas throws a few rockets over to israel why doesnt bassam or sami condemn this and say they are wrong in doing this.

"Dan, get your facts straight. Israel broke the ceasefire. See here"Now i will explain what happened.Even though u watched the news clip you still have no idea of what goes on.Now a ceasefire doesnt mean israel cannot attack!They attacked hamas terrorists who was making a tunnel to kidnap soilders!! of course israel would attack to prevent their soilders.The difference is hamas sends bombs into any place and any time,and always they attack civilians.The innocent always get hurt.So again your statement doesnt hold,so israel never broke the ceasefire they never agreed they wouldnt attack if they saw terrorist making plans to make tunnels,of course they will attack.So israel is in the right.

Dan said: even the grand mutfi of jerusalem who sided with hitler,made a squad out of bosnian muslims to attack the jews

"This stupid argument is refuted here"Now anybody who clicked on your link will see you didnt refute anything.AND it is hard to refute true facts of history.He made a squad out of bosnian muslims! so you didnt write anything to deny this in your write up,but you wrote your silly argument is refuted.You will argue until you are blue in the face even though u havent a leg to stand on.....

DAN12345 said...

Grand Mufti Haj Amin Al Husseini and hitler
Bassam watch some clips about these two,so before you try to refute somebody learn YOUR facts first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m2OzEvyrsw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3pq1KIUZb4&feature=related.
Hitler told the mutfi this is a mission of extermination against jewry! it is in the document why are you trying to deny the truth!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfLvP2jTVq8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAxrg7nMcs4

Nakdimon said...

The best replies to facts are those that are void of emotional appeals. Your reply is full of it. Now I will address your points, and those of that lousy article you posted (which is also full of emotional statements such as "zionist state of Israel" etc.)later. This should determine who is speaking fact and who is speaking nonsense.

Nakdimon

Bassam said...

Dan, you didn't refute the points in the article regarding the Mufti. When you do, I will counter respond.

Nakdimon, I presented facts with emotions. Of course I have to get emotional when discussing such a delicate matter with a cold hearted person like your self who supports murder of not only Arab Muslims, but Christians as well.


Nakdimon, your'e not getting the point. Even if you successfully show that Palestine was not a formally recognized state by the UN, that in no way justifies Israel's massacre of the people and for them to come back after thousands of years to proclaim their so called land. That is the point you have to deal with.

DAN12345 said...

Bassam what exactly do you want me to refute?
"courageous Muslims who selflessly fought and died in defense of the European democracies, even though many of their own lands were still suffering under the yoke of European colonization."
This is a joke how can a muslim say another muslim dies "courageously" when the muslim die's for european democratcy?Where does it say this in your scriptures?According to your scriptures he will die an infidel,defending the wrong beliefs!as if democratcy was to put it "fighting the good fight" in islam surley every muslim country would have democratcy and not sharia law.So who wrote this article is again trying to make people who dont know about islam soft hearted.So then the muslim who died for defending european democratic beliefs is he in heaven for doing so?and if so if he is in heaven why is it allah's will to make sharia law the world law instead of democratcy?
a muslim can be so contradictory it is unbelievable.If a muslim is fighting for a non islamic state in islam he is an infidel plain and simple.So dont try to show us because muslims in india have enrolled in the british army in india that somehow means something.To muslims they are the lowest of the low,kuffars.Muslims will join with anyone to get what they want in the end.How is it that the arabs sided with the british against the ottoman empire.They had no power they had to!even though they was going against their own caliph!!Even though these arabs got saudi arabia from joining the infidels against the muslims nothing is said.And what do u want me to refute about the grand mutfi u wrote only this "At the heart of these baseless and base allegations is the fact that the Palestinian Mufti of Jerusalem, Al-Hajj Amin al-Husayni, had close ties to the German leader Adolf Hitler, and even spent part of the war in Berlin. While this much is true, al-Husayni's sentiments were not those of the overwhelming majority of the Palestinians, to say nothing of the rest of the world's Muslims. To use al-Husyni's ties to Hitler as a means to defame and discredit Islam and Muslims as fascists is misleading and has to be challenged" you wrote " while most of this is true" you are admitting its true.
So bassam there is nothing for me to refute there and even your write up agrees with my comments,so unless you show me what u want me to refute the ball is in your court.i have read it 10 times only this is written about the mutfi

Nakdimon said...

Bassam: “Nakdimon, I presented facts with emotions. Of course I have to get emotional when discussing such a delicate matter with a cold hearted person like your self who supports murder of not only Arab Muslims, but Christians as well.”


Scuse me, but had to reply to this quickly! Who are you to say such nonsense! When your Muzzie-brothers blow others and each other up YOU remain SILENT! In fact, YOU GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO EXCUSE THEIR BEHAVIOUR AND CRITICIZE US FOR AIRING IT! So don’t give me this nonsense of use supporting murder of anyone.

Allow me some sarcasm: WE are not the once that claim to love death more than you love life. That is YOUR pieceful [sic] Hamas doing that. According to them, this is somehow the will of your idol. And they claim to speak for their supporters too. So when Israel decides to grant them to meet the love of their lives (death) then don’t start whining about Israel being cruel. They are simply granting Hamas and their supporters their hearts desires!

So stop pretending to be sad and break out the champagne!

Thank you for allowing me an emotional reply of my own.

Bassam said...

Dan, the Muslims were fighting the Nazi regime. They were helping their allies. Of course that is courageous and permissible in Islam.

Good, Nakdimon offered no reply so I don't have to bother keep checking to see if he did. So the discussion has ended.

Nakdimon said...

Look at him runnin. You seem very eager to end this discussion, Bassam. A little too eager. I already said that I would be addressing your post later, when I have more time on my hands. And so I will!

So don't run too hard and too far, because we're not quite done yet.

Nakdimon

Bassam said...

lol running? I've been standing firm alone against you hateful Zionist lovers. I don't have time to keep checking all day, I have a life you know.

Email me at b_zawadi@hotmail.com when you offered a response.

Regards,

Bassam

ben malik said...

Nak,

Do as he says then compare these articles:

http://answering-islam.org/Muhammad/hudaybiyya.html

http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Osama/zawadi_hudaybiyya.htm

http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Osama/zawadi_hudaybiyya2.htm

You will see further confirmation of what you already knew. His articles are garbage and lives in the fantasy world of Islam which assumes that if a Muslim writes an article, no matter how bad, irrational, stupid, or deceptive, this still constitutes a reply.

In the links you will see his garbage being dumped where it belongs and evidence from the Muslims sources that the blackstone licking and idol worshiping Muhammad/Mahound, who being true to his charcter and the serpent that composed the Islamic religious treatise, broke his word and the covenant.

Like I aid he knows better than to tangle with me directly. Shamoun has messed up his life and he has never recovered. Neither has his prophet of the stone. :-)

ben malik said...

Thi is was hilarious:

Nakdimon, I presented facts with emotions. Of course I have to get emotional when discussing such a delicate matter with a cold hearted person like your self who supports murder of not only Arab Muslims, but Christians as well.

Then surely you should get emotional over what that black stone kisser and his mafia organization did to Christians in Jerusalem, Syria, Iraq, Egypt... should I continue?

Nak, this guy is being faithful to the serpent who wrote his religious book since he claimed the the demands which Umar imposed on the Christians in the al-Sham area were conditions that Christians requested!

Where is Yahya Heydour Ibn Muta, the Shiite master of taqiyah, when you need him? Maybe we can get him to curse Muhammad/Mahound's companions such as Umar since he is a good Shiite who believes that the first three leaders of the Muslim Mafia robbed another vile member of their murdering and raping cult, Ali, of being the rightful leader of this cancer to human society.

Yahya Hayder Seymour said...

Ben Malik/ Assyrian Christian Apologist from Answering Islam wrote: Where is Yahya Heydour Ibn Muta,the Shiite master of taqiyah, when you need him? Maybe we can get him to curse Muhammad/Mahound's companions such as Umar since he is a good Shiite who believes that the first three leaders of the Muslim Mafia robbed another vile member of their murdering and raping cult, Ali, of being the rightful leader of this cancer to human society.

Hey,

I'm right here; Thanks for accusing my Christian Parents of producing me through a Muslim ritual, not that they would even know what it is, however "Ben Malik", I'm surprised the Holy Spirit which is said to be so pure, could allow such profanity to emerge from such a purified vessel as the one embodying it. I recommend you stick to preparation for your debate with Farhan Qureshi, nice to see the words of advice from your brother in christ, Dr. James White haven't yet penetrated that inpenetratable mouth of profanity that you so like to push around on this website.

I can recommend a few things to calm down your temper tantrums buddy, here I was trying to help you out by buying you time for your debate preparation and you answer with such an aggressive demeanour. Drop me a line if you need any help there, perhaps we can help look up some faith healing for you buddy =)

ben malik said...

Hey Ibn Muta, it seems that your Arabic classes haven't taught you a thing, nor has your reading of the Quran. I didn't accuse your parents of anything, but that is to be expected from a convert to a false religion who doesn't understand how his own sources use the term ibn. Try reading surahs 2:177 and 9:60 on the use of ibn in order to learn something for a change. I used it to mean that Muta is part of your fabric, your nature, as a Muslim. It is one of the things that characterizes your false sect. But, then, again I shouldn't expect a convert who knew next to nothing about Christianity, and doesn't know that much about Islam, to understand.

As far as Dr. White's advice is concerned, I did take it to heart but when you have people like yourself who have no shame lying and falsely accusing others much like you did when you claimed that Jay Smith badmouthed Shamoun, which turned out to be a lie, then kindess and respect no longer apply to you.

You need to be treated as you deserve and the world has to see what kind of vile, evil wicked people Islam produces, you being a great example.

And I can tell you the Muhammadan way of dealing with your anger issues. Just find a woman to rape, pay her a sum of money and call it temporRY marriage or, in your vile, filthy vocabulary, Muta. Or, better yet, find one of your enemies and behead them like Muhammad and Ali, his vile son-in-law, use to do, and that way you can get rid of all your anger and venom.

And since you love Shamoun why don't you debate him? If you are interested I can try to set it up.

DAN12345 said...

Bassam the muslims fought against the nazi's in your opinion?that is so wrong.Why when hitler wanted to make a pure race full up of pure white blond hair blue eye people,did he join with the turk's and had the mutfi on his side,all of the arab world,why was there a albianian and bosnian ss squad formed?come on bassam please be honest with yourself.Muslims love hitler to this day,i work with 200 muslims we speak daily about everything they all love hitler!why?1 simple reason,he wanted to exterminate the jews!plain and simple.The difference between the nazi's and the muslims are muslims hate the jews cos allah told them to.They are being promised virgins in paradise,they are being promised heavenly pleasures.This is what blinds the muslim,whereas the nazi's just followed their own ideolgys without any promise to gain a heavenly reward.The muslims are brain washed with earthly pleasures and heavenly pleasures,whereas the nazi's just had the earthly pleasures to gain.The muslim word hates the jews for the power the jews hold on to the world.They control the t.v newspapers films stocks etc.Good luck to them we christians dont care we dont care for earthly pleasures,but the muslims wish they could control the world as the jews do.And i dont mean it in a bad way to the jews,they got there from their own intellagance and hard work.

Yahya Hayder Seymour said...

Ben Malik,

If I wanted to debate you, I'd email as I have in the past. Keep using the profanity, do your God proud ;)

Plus, remember Joseph Smith did call you "Street Fighter" so it turned out I was speaking the truth, Street Figher =)

DAN12345 said...

yahya and ben why dont you do a debate on this blog,post and replys and have a time limit that way it can be setup quick without waiting months and months for a debate to be setup.....

ben malik said...

Yahya, that's all you can do, is avoid the issues and do a hit and run drive by. I know for a fact that you ridicule, mock, lie, cheat, rape, and prostitute women you are definitely making the black stone kissing idolator pretending to be a prophet and your Allah proud.

And do contact Shamoun for a debate. Anyway, don't waste our time unless you have something substantive to say (which means you should never reply since you never have something substantive to write).

Dan, this guy doesn't have the courage to debate. He simply likes drive bys.

ben malik said...

And do remember, Yahya, that what you claimed Jay said and what he did actually say and mean are two different things. I know that it is impossible for you to accurately represent your opponents and cannot help but to twist their words since the idol-kissing prophet of yours did the same thing with the previous scriptures and history, twisted them, rewrote them, edited them etc. So you are once again being an excellent Muhammadan.

ben malik said...

Hey, we should all turn this statement from Bassam into a t-shirt since it perfectly describes Muhammad!

Yes, we can show a few examples of some good things that the Israeli soldiers have done and then excuse them for invading Palestine, displacing hundreds of thousands of people, stealing their land and property and commit mass murder of them.

Exactly! We can show a few examples of some good things that Muhammad and his companions did and then excuse them for invading other peoples' lands, including Jerusalem, which displacing hundreds of thousands of people, stealing their land and property and commit mass murder of them, while raping their women and enslaving their children.

What a perfect description of Muhammad and Islam, Bassam! And you still want to follow this black stone kissing idolator! For shame.

Nakdimon said...

Nakdimon, all of your points are useless and you didn't give proper direct responses or comments on the links I provided.

Bassam, all the points in the link you provided don’t give proper direct responses or comments on the points I provided.

Case in point: The utter lies that the article contains is just preposterous. Just the claim that the Palestinians are the descendants of the Canaanites and Philistines. Fact is that either the Arabs are all descendants of Abraham, who was the son of Noah’s son Shem, or they are descendants of the Canaanites or Philistines, who are descendants of Noah’s son Cham. This article wants it both ways, but is just an utter LIE!

As for the case that the article tries to make by endorsing Ishmael as an equal heir to the promise done by God to Abraham, here is a link that debunks this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F9kxDMyst4

As for the claim that there was virtually no physical ties to the Land between the second Jewish revolt under Shim’on Bar Kochba and the beginning of the twentieth century, as far as the Jewish people was concerned: http://www.science.co.il/Israel-history.asp

More thorough info about the history of “Palestine” and the Jewish ties to it: http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/

And I have much more links to go around. If you want to debate these things with links, then by all means. If you want to have a meaningful exchange without popping links all the time, then let’s do that.

I already did you liar and I said that Israel is the one who is rejecting it and the Arabs are only willing to go back to the 1967 lands and compromise on the others that your filthy Zionist brethren stole Saudi: Arab-Israel peace plan not on table forever


WO-O-O-OW Bassam. Slow...down. Why am I a liar? It is not ME that is lying, but you that are misunderstanding / misrepresenting me. I made the point of the Arab countries rejecting the proposition of the UN in 1948, NOT in recent days. The Arab states attacked Israel because they didn’t want anything that looked like a Jewish state, even though they got the lion’s share. So you are way off. I have said it many times before and I’ll keep repeating it: How different things would have been if the Arab countries had just accepted the rulings of the UN and not attacked Israel in 1948. Yet that bad call has resulted in the situation that we have today. And the only reason why you want to settle for the pre-1967 status is because you know that you wont succeed in destroying Israel. So you try to make the best of a bad situation. But Israel won’t have that. Jerusalem will not be returned. Israel has every reason to suspect Muslim countries of evil after 4 attacks and near annihilation. They HAVE to show the region that they are not to mess with lil ol’ Israel and hit back hard when they are attacked, because that seems to be the only thing those countries respect.


They are talking about particular refugees. You have to remember that right before the war, many were displaced from their homes (the reasons why the Arabs had a war) and were refugees.

Again, according to the official UNRWA definition:
"Palestine refugees are persons whose normal place of residence was Palestine between June 1946 and May 1948, who lost both their homes and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War."

What “particular refugees” is this talking about? Any other person who does NOT fall under this description is NOT a refugee. Plain and simple. So why do you talk about “specific refugees”? They don’t count, so for them there is no right to return.

HEY DON’T COMPLAIN ABOUT US SUPPORTING YOUR OPPRESSION BECAUSE WE ARE DONATING TO YOU.

??????? come again????

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