Wednesday, February 25, 2009

Abused Girl Returned to Her Abusive Family after Converting to Christianity

This is wild stuff. Follow the chain of events.

(1) Girl suffers abuse by her Muslim family.
(2) State places the girl in foster care.
(3) Girl converts to Christianity.
(4) State fires the foster care worker for failing to preserve the girl's religion.
(5) Girl is given back to her abusive family.

What's going on in the UK? And what's going to happen to this girl when her family finds out she converted?

The foster mother struck off for allowing a Muslim girl to convert to Christianity took the child in after she was threatened with an arranged marriage.

The woman, a devout Christian, was asked to care for the teenager after the authorities learned of her abusive family background.

Her father beat her just for chatting to boys and warned he would haul her off to Pakistan to marry against her will, a friend claimed.

But council officials were angered when the girl chose to be baptised. They insist the foster mother failed in her duty to preserve the girl's original religion. Read more.

42 comments:

Michelle Qureshi said...

10 bucks say she's going to be either 1-missing from the UK in the next few months, or 2-known to have been taken to Pakistan.

After that, another 10 bucks say she'll either "revert" to Islam and be married, or she'll never be heard from again.

Sad :-(

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

This is virtually sick, it makes me mad; we all know what that girl will be suffering at the moment, she might be shipped off to Pakistan, killed or tortured to re-convert to islam. And the English authorities seem to be ok with that.

Oh what is going on in the UK Wood is that we have a sick trend to appease islam, whatever islam does and stands for.

This goes for the parlament, the councils and whatever organisation you find in the country.

In this case UK has once more revealed that it does not adhere to democracy, free speech and freedom of religion.

The fact remains that Christianity is still the most despised group within the UK; that is what happens when you have an secular humanist mindset whose primary purpose is retain political correctness particularly to appease the muslims.

I have to say I am ashamed of the British Christians! I wished they had a bit more of a back bone and decided to take to the streets; that seems to be the only language the authorities are able to grasp.

Royal Son said...

This is what I can't figure out - A politically correct government bends over backwards to please the politically incorrect Muslims by snuffing out any freedom of speech of Christians who just want to live a peaceful life.

I'd really love to see the same government send muslim converts back to their countries and see what reaction they get.

Expect more to come folks, it's only going to get a whole lot worse.

Anonymous said...

No true scotsman.

Fernando said...

To the reader...

a) all these lies Osama his directing to his site habe already been denied in the paste days in this same blog...

b) Osama's site is famous to have virus... he sais it does not, but we all have evidences in our computers...

Anonymous said...

The Islamic religion is a threat to basic tennets of human life. For God sake the girl was happy and about to lead a nice life and they throw her back to that family who abused her?

Islam is so painfully obviously from satan himself I wonder how anyone cannot see that now.

Radical Moderate said...

It is time we come to the realization, that the UK is gone.

nma said...

To know more about islam:

www.islam-watch.org
http://www.faithfreedom.org/
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/
http://exmuslim.com/
http://www.islamreview.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIqMZkrdL-w

Anonymous said...

Hi nma, the video you posted descrbes some tactics pretty well.
As you might have noticed, I try to predict the responses from muslims to the topics that come up (for example: I predict "No true scotsman" when it comes to violence by muslims).

By the way, "fastest growing religion" (which is false btw) is missing.

Osama Abdallah said...

Nabeel,

How do you guys find these rare articles? :-). Are you sniffing the internet 24/7 with a group of 100 other evanglicals and then PM each others with the "good news" when something is found?


You know that your bible has 1000 worse things in it than any book on earth: www.answering-christianity.com/woman.htm

Here is an article that gives a good comparison between women in Islam VS the Bible: www.answering-christianity.com/view_of_women.htm

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Michelle Qureshi said...

Osama--

I thought you were gonna stop coming to this site?

Anyhow, these articles aren't rare. To keep updated on the latest offerings of the Religion of Peace, go to:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

It's mindboggling how destructive Muslims are these days.

Osama Abdallah said...

Nabeel,

I never said that I will stop coming here. How can I stop coming here and leave you to spread lies against my Faith, Islam?


Obviously, you didn't understand what I wrote, did you?

As to the link that you gave, it is another desperate web site that is filled with hate and lies against Islam. And like I mentioned, nothing is more destructive than the on going TERROR that is taking place in your christian societies from drugs, alcohol and gambling. Not on mention also the ILLEGAL SEX.

Here is a FOXNews article for you that says EVEN MODERATE DRINKING OF ALCOHOL CAUSES CANCER: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,499826,00.html

So, checkmate buddy. Your religion is corrupt and now it also promotes cancer throught drinking.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Osama Abdallah said...

FOX NEWS CHANNEL HAD JUST REFUTED YOUR RELIGION, Nabeel :-). Isn't ironic that this is coming from a conservative news channel?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,499826,00.html

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Anonymous said...

Osama your pedofile prophet promised rivers of liquor in heaven so I guess all those perverts in jannah will have cancer too.

Osama Abdallah said...

KeithTruth,

Your harsh language shows that you're another frustrated christian who greatly doubts his corrupt religion. It's ok, that's what we can expect from the followers of the religion that TOPPED ALL RELIGIONS in corruption and pedophelic and fraud leaders on a massive scale. I mean, we're not talking about isolated cases here and there, you know.

As to "liquor" in Paradise, that is not true. The Khamr in Paradise is not destructive as the earthly one that we make here. That is why Allah Almighty FORBADE alcohol here on earth, because it is harmful. Your pornographic religion, on the other hand, ALLOWS LIQUOR and it causes cancer.

WWW.ANSWERING-CHRISTIANITY.COM/x_rated.htm

As to the Prophet, peace be upon him, being a pedophile, this deperate lie had been destroyed at: www.answering-christianity.com/aisha.htm

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

David Wood said...

Osama said: "Your harsh language shows that you're another frustrated christian who greatly doubts his corrupt religion."

So, according to Osama, harsh language is a sign that a person is frustrated and that he doubts his religion.

Please refer to practically anything Osama has ever written for proof that he is frustrated and that he "doubts his corrupt religion."

David said...

OA,

You are an amazing individual (want to guess how to interpret that?).

A couple of comments to which I would appreciate a reply:

1). Your religion does not create chaste women or self-control among men. In college I was friends with a very devout Muslim woman from Jordan. She used to come over to visit (purely platonic friendship) me at my home, and would sometimes bring her 60 year-old mother. They would tell the men in the family they were going to the park. They would do this because they feared their lives would be in jeopardy if they knew that "the boys" found out they were friends with a male. There was nothing but a bond of friendship between two human beings, but nonetheless they had to keep all of their activities underground. I was told this was common with Muslim women. Before you say "she must not have been very devout" I must advise you she was one of the founders of the mosque in our city and taught Arabic to the American children at the mosque.

The men were just like men from all other cultures and religions. They liked women and they struggled with self-control. Islam did nothing to curb their appetites. In fact, they even had a heaven to look forward to where they could indulge and gratify their appetites for women and wine. Imagine that!

2). John the Baptist had a father named Zacharias. He was an only child. John the apostle had a father named said that the Zebedee. John the apostle had a brother named James (was not an only child). Can you see the difference? Need any help with this?

3). Mohamed Ali is not the same as the prophet Mohammed. At least I don't think he is. What do you think?

I look forward to your commentary on each of the above. Thanks for your time. And your insight :-)

Osama Abdallah said...

KeithTruth,

Furthermore, your religion even says that WOMEN'S VAGINAS taste like wine!

The reader can visit: www.answering-christianity.com/x_rated.htm to listen to the audio and also read the text.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

David Wood said...

More deception from Osama!

Osama, please quote the verse, in context, in a reliable translation, which says that women's vaginas taste like wine.

If you don't bring forth your proof, I'm banning you from this website for your repeated deception, childish behavior, and baseless insults towards both Christians and Muslims.

(And don't say "go to my website," since we all know that's a sure way to catch a computer virus. Simply post the verse, in context, right here. Otherwise, you're out of here.)

Osama Abdallah said...

David Wood,

I see that this verse is too troubling to you, which is why you have resorted to the THREAENING MODE.


Song of Songs 7:1-4, 8-9 has "navel" in it. According to your theologians, whom I quoted in the site at: www.answering-christianity.com/x_rated.htm, the word is referring to her vagina.

Now go ahead and ban me, coward.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

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David said...

Dear David Wood,

Please do not ban Osama-been-there-done-that yet. I really like to find out the answer to my probing questions.

By the way, "David (me)" is not "David Wood". Now, I know this can be confusing. Just to clarify, I am not nor is David Wood the same David in the Bible that wrote many of the Psalms.

Osama bin Laden is not the same Osama on the website is he? You know, all these names are really confusing! John, John the Baptist, John F. Kennedy, John Mellencamp, I mean, how can anyone keep this straight :-)

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Abdul Haziz said...

Brother Osama...

I have already seen you, in the past days, being refuted in the point you're, once again, trying to impute on the bible.

The cause of Islam, and of Muhammad (PBUH), doesn't have anything to achieve with your attitude… Please: turn your record to the other side and present more arguments because this one as left you looking like a fool… Islam does not need to be defended by someone who clearly is being totally, and easily, contested… Please: write to my new friend Bassam Zawadi (b_zawadi@hotmail.com) who, has the greatest muslim apologist he his, will give you some good advice…

Osama Abdallah said...
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David said...

Osama, I am not used to sarcasm. Where we come from when a man says something he means it. Are you using sarcasm? I assume you're serious. You know, always saying what you mean.

I'm glad it was able to be of help. Let me know if you come across anyone else with the same name as Abraham, Christopher (such as Columbus), or someone else and I will be glad to be of assistance.

One more thing, Miriam the sister of Moses is not Mary the mother of Jesus. At least, that's not what Mohammed Ali says. I think. Again, I find these names confusing so I can't be sure.

Osama Abdallah said...
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David Wood said...

Too late. Osama's been banned. Here's a literal translation of Song of Songs 7:

1 "How beautiful are your feet in sandals, O prince's daughter! The curves of your hips are like jewels, The work of the hands of an artist.

2 "Your navel is like a round goblet Which never lacks mixed wine; Your belly is like a heap of wheat Fenced about with lilies.

3 "Your two breasts are like two fawns, Twins of a gazelle.

4 "Your neck is like a tower of ivory, Your eyes like the pools in Heshbon By the gate of Bath-rabbim; Your nose is like the tower of Lebanon, Which faces toward Damascus.

5 "Your head crowns you like Carmel, And the flowing locks of your head are like purple threads; The king is captivated by your tresses.

6 "How beautiful and how delightful you are, My love, with all your charms!

7 "Your stature is like a palm tree, And your breasts are like its clusters.

8 "I said, 'I will climb the palm tree, I will take hold of its fruit stalks.' Oh, may your breasts be like clusters of the vine, And the fragrance of your breath like apples,

9 And your mouth like the best wine!"

"It goes down smoothly for my beloved, Flowing gently through the lips of those who fall asleep."

As we can see, there's no mention at all of "vaginas." Osama clearly has a perverted mind that causes him to see perversion everywhere he looks, even when there is none.

With that said, we've all seen Osama's deception since he's been on this site. He misquotes and distorts passages, and he lies about what people have said. (For instance, he said that George Saieg told him that Nabeel and I are fighting over who gets to debate him. George demanded a public apology, since he said no such thing.)

Anyhow, there comes a point when we must recognize that someone has absolutely nothing to add to our discussions. Osama has just become the first person to be officially banned from this blog (at least, until he grows up). Not even Nadir earned such a dishonor!

It seems, then, that Osama has a special place as the most annoying, least persuasive, most illogical Muslim apologist in the world.

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David Wood said...

It seems that Osama has resorted to posting the same comment over and over again (simply telling us to go to his virus-infested website to read about pornography in the Bible). Thus, I'm going to have to enable comment moderation until Osama starts acting his age. (I always thought that he was a teenager, until I debated him and found out that he's far older than me!)

Anyhow, I apologize for the inconvenience. But I knew that it was only a matter of time before "blog terrorists" started trying to ruin things for those of us (Christian and Muslim) who want to discuss these matters seriously.

Fernando said...

Ousama... what's happening to you? I almost don't recognizze you as the gentle and humble person you seemed to bee in your previous pots... I have allready explained to you that Song 8:1-3 does not promotee pornography os inceste... I have already demonstratted to you that the Talmud does not allow to have sex with a 3 years olde girl (eben when you ignored my explanations and posted the text I had previously explained...)... Here it goes once again:

i) about song of songs 8:1-3:
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6590312557191237519&postID=1545647138067396245

Usama saide «Your answer was no answer, and your English needs to be improved a lot in order for people to comprehend what you're trying to say»...

Well... thanks for your answer to mie words... but then: if mie " English needs to be improved a lot in order for people to comprehend what you're trying to say" howe then coulde you understand them enought to sai that mie «answer was no answer»?... strange loggic...

Yes... it was an answer thatt can be understood by anyone willing to see the truth... here is it again:

«the masculine noun "ha" may referr to brother of blood, half-brother, close relatives AND milk-brothers (someonne from other familye who was fead with someone's other mother breast milk... as it was common with the son of princesses...)... it's clearlie this late the case in this text:

a) it's a poemme about a girl and a boy withe totallie different economic backgrounds...;

b) the girl his dreamming of an intimacie to the boy simmilar off the one milk-brothers habe (raised together since childhood...);

c) they crearlie doesn't habe the same mother... that's whie she sais: «bring you to my mother's house»... not «OUR mother’s house»… which would be eben more suitteded to the structure of the poem…;

d) no where is an incestuous relattion pointed outt here… so, the factt that she desires the boi to habe a tast of her’s vaginal fluid (bie the waie: where in the world does women habe semen? Perhaps in muslims countries… or it was a “lapsus linguae” that expressed, Usama, your more incontious desiresof drinking semen? Onlie you can saie…) -- «the nectar of my pomegranates» has YOU saide… -- doesn’t represent a probbleme… also in islam women fluid (“madhiy”) is not inpure»...

But iff you want another schoolar explanation, please read: Tremper Longman's "Song of Songs", p. 203 where he explains that the onlie reason the girll wanted to be the boy's sister was to be hable to kiss him like brothers in public without shame... she does not wantt to be her sister to have incestuos relations with him... see also Larry L. Lyke's "I Will Espouse You Forever: The Song of Songs and the Theology of Love in the Hebrew Bible"...


ii) about sex with a 3 years oldee girl (http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2009/02/child-bride-debacle-continues.html):

Usama... I don'te whant to win... I juste wante to habe a serious debate, and not a debate based on false assumptions and innacurate statements... once again: where does the bible condomn rape? Where does tha talmud say it's ok to rape 3 years old girls?

you falselie quoite Kethuboth 11b... as I sayde before... It sayis that a girl that was rapped when she was 3 can be considered a virgin to effect of marriege...

But then: the Talmud is not inspired bie God, and nowhere it sayies one should do so... do you see jews marryinf 3 years old childs as muslims do to 6 yeras girls eben nowadays following Muhammad example?

Whate the Talmud says is that «"A girl of three years and a day is [capable of being] married by an act of intercourse ...»: once again: it sayes that a women that was rapped when she was 3 years old can marrie without penalties...

More since Kidushin 12b says it's forbiden to form a marriage bonde bie intercourse, all your argument fails...

Whante more? you quote Sanhedrin 54b... it onlie says that if a men rapped is under 9 years of age he does not habe to be punished as WAS sayd in the Levitucus who said homosexual intercurses should be punished... Onca again no jew kills an homosexual because in the hierachy of God's comandments the "You shall not kill" is much more important... ebem less a Christian...


p.s.: Doctoor Wood... I never said I woulde leave Christianity if Jesus condemned drinking... I onlie said thate nowhere can Ousama say Jesus condemmned it...

Fernando said...

Brother Osama...

I have already seen you, in the past days, being refuted in the point you're, once again, trying to impute on the bible.

The cause of Islam, and of Muhammad (PBUH), doesn't have anything to achieve with your attitude… Please: turn your record to the other side and present more arguments because this one as left you looking like a fool… Islam does not need to be defended by someone who clearly is being totally, and easily, contested… Please: write to my new friend Bassam Zawadi (b_zawadi@hotmail.com) who, has the greatest muslim apologist he his, will give you some good advice…

David Wood said...

I agree that Osama should ask Bassam for advice. Bassam is far younger than Osama, and yet he is far more mature, both in his attitude and in his intellect.

Fernando said...

I reaaly could notte avoid copiing whatte Abdul Haziz (greetings Abdul...) said to Ousama...

Michelle Qureshi said...

This is hilarious! Osama's a trip :-)

Anonymous said...

Osama is just perverted so he projects his weird fantasies into the Bible because he reads the quran so much he gets perversion. This is evident when he starts talking about vaginas tasting like wine etc...

Osama aswell as sami zaatari both have this problem which is documented and their "proofs" are refuted here:

http://keithtruth.blogspot.com/2009/02/refutation-of-sami-zaataris-article.html

As for Osamas supposed proof for vaginas tasting like wine... On his stupid website he cites Song of Solomon 7:1-4, 8-9 and the only thing that tasts like wine there is the roof of the mouth. Not the vagina. The hebrew word used there is חך or chêk which is : - (roof of the) mouth.

So as you can clearly see ladies and gentlemen, the Bible doesnt say that womens vaginas taste like wine, rather Osama, because he is a perverted lunatic, superimposes this type of stuff into the Bible because he has weird sexual fantasies from reading the quran.

Keith Thompson
www.keithtruth.blogspot.com

Anonymous said...

correction

If he was talking about 7:2 about the navel lol...

שׁרר or shôrer means bellybutton/navel not vagina.

Royal Son said...

Keith: Don't expect him to remove his false claims any time soon. I tried to educate him on reading properly, for instance the New Advent encyclopedia snippet which mentions something about Mary,the mother of Jesus being between 12 and 14 years of age and Joseph being 90.

He tried to use it as a defence of Mohammad's marriage and rather dodgey relationship with Aisha. After I showed him that the full quote from the encyclopedia says that such stories are void of authority, beyond all probability and described by Jerome as dreams mentioned in Apocryphal writings, he simply re-pasted the same short quote again and basically said "Look, here's your proof"

I shake my head in times like these, but it all confirms the testimony of the bible which describes the heart of the unregenerate as desperately wicked, unable to perceive the things of God which are spiritually discerned.

As an afterthought, maybe him keeping the lies on his website is a good thing, so that muslims can see for themselves the extent of his lies and filth fuelled by hatred for God and His word.

El-Cid said...

It's a sad day indeed when someone in the UK starts looking like a candidate for asylum in another country.

This is a definate breakdown of the system. The government has completely failed this young woman.