Monday, January 19, 2009

The Muslim Response to Muslim Atrocities

I first noticed it with my parents.  Though they are amongst the most caring and loving people that I have ever known, when it comes to atrocities supported by Islam, they abandon even their own loving nature in order to defend their religion.

It so happened that one afternoon my parents were trying to convince me of the beauty of Islam and therefore its divine origin.  In frustration I responded "Muhammad allowed his warriors to rape their female captives.  This is in Sahih Bukhari and in Sahih Muslim, and it explains verses in the Quran!"

In sharp response, my mother said "So what!? In the West you rape women with your eyes! You go to the beach, you see women walking around barely clothed, and you're raping them with your eyes!"

Her response left me reeling. Not only was I bewildered by the utter inaccuracy of what she implied, as if looking at women is as violating as forcibly inserting one's phallus into their bodies, but I was surprised that she did not even begin to denounce the practice of raping female captives!

After this incident, my eyes were more attuned to Muslim responses to Muslim atrocities.  The more I observed, the more I realized that my mother was far from alone in her defense. Other Muslims similarly try to detract attention from Muslims' horrible morality by pointing the finger elsewhere, saying "Look at that over there! It, too, is bad!"

The post immediately before this present post is a perfect example. Though rape is unfortunately prevalent throughout the world, it often comes with a religious twist when performed by Muslims. In this case, Christian girls were raped and forced to convert to Islam. When the women were finally rescued, a Muslim mob congregated to protest. Protest against the rapists? No! They came to protest their return to their father, who was a Christian, since they were now Muslims (a result of their forced conversions).

The mob was completely unmoved by the raping of two young girls, entirely ambivalent towards the Muslim rapists.

When David posted a blog about the incident, the Muslims who visit this blog reacted the same way!  Instead of saying "This was bad and I condemn these Muslims!" here are the reactions we get:

Bassam: "What about the filthy Serbian Christians that raped tens of thousands of innocent Muslim women in Bosnia?"

Ibn: "There are verses in the corrupted bible that do permit rape in the logical sense."

Sami: "How many ladies have been raped in the west since the posting of this article?"

To be fair, as an afterthought, one Muslim did post a rebuke of the rapes:

Yahya: "BTW Yes I condemn this horrific act"

It is shocking to see Muslims entirely unmoved by atrocities when committed by other Muslims. When the attention is drawn towards these crimes, they boil in anger, as if to say "How dare you accuse us, the people of God! Look at the rest of the world!"

Oh but the rest of the world is looking at you, dear Muslim friends. Your behavior is akin to that of a school boy caught breaking the rules. When confronted, he responds "Well other boys are doing it, too!" And yet, when the boy finds others breaking the same rules, he drags them to the teachers saying "This filth is breaking the rules and must be punished!"



A similar observation from a cartoonist

29 comments:

Bassam said...

Nabeel you completely distort reality and then offend Muslims by posting this stupid cartoon, which is uncalled for.

If you bothered to properly understand the situation you wouldn't have said what you said.

- The reason why I was irritated in my two responses to David in the previous thread is because I am so offended that he would ascribe such acts of rape to my faith. I made that clear. Doesn't that indirectly, yet clearly show that I despise such acts and would flee away from such people even if they are Muslims and disassociate my self from them? The answer is yes. So you should have understood from my reaction that I condemn such acts.

- When we appealed to Christian rapists, we weren't doing so to justify the disgusting actions of these Muslims. We were doing it to point out the double standards of David who claims that these things are "common" amongst our people for the simple reason that he read many of these cases. We pointed out that he is not consistent in saying the same thing about non-Muslim countries where rape is prevalent as well.

I then went and challenged David to provide justification from Islamic sources for raping women and forcing them to convert as they do in Pakistan. I await him to make a new post and have a one on one textual debate with me infront of everyone with no interuptions. Let's see if he accepts.

Not all Muslims respond emotionally and illogically as your mother has (with really no offense due to your mom. My mom's logical skills are no better) so please dont' try to make it appear as though this is the way Muslim apologists reply back.


Regards,

Bassam

Yahya Hayder Seymour said...

Is that an accurate cartoon depiction of your Dad Nabeel? Isn't he a Muslim too?!

Nabeel Qureshi said...

Bassam and Yahya--

I made no comments on your intentions or reasoning, just on the end product of your actions.

I stated a simple fact: the muslims I observe, for whatever reason, feel more compelled to point the finger elsewhere then feel bad for the victims when hearing the atrocities committed by Muslims.

This has been my observation and you cannot say an observation is false. An observation is an observation; it's raw datum, and datum by itself is not false, it's empirically true. Many others agree with me, such as this cartoonist.

May God bless you and cover you with His Holiness,
-Nabeel

Nabeel Qureshi said...

Yahya--

I have seen my father feel genuinely panged by the suffering of non-Muslims at the hands of Muslims. Therefore I do not think this cartoon applies to him.

But note - I can only do that because I know him personally and intimately. If I were an onlooker, and I have seen thousands of Muslims respond a certain way and no Muslims respond any other way, then it would be natural to assume that Muslims are generally homogenous in their reactions.

I thank God for having such a loving and compassionate family. I thank you for giving me the opportunity to affirm that.

Blessings,
-Nabeel

P.S. I hear what you're saying - not all muslims are like this. And I agree. Maybe not even a majority. But when all the vocal ones respond this way, the world is not wrong in saying that this is all it sees from the Muslim camp.

Bassam said...

"I stated a simple fact: the muslims I observe, for whatever reason, feel more compelled to point the finger elsewhere then feel bad for the victims when hearing the atrocities committed by Muslims."

And you clearly said that I was one of them, which is false. We don't feel more compelled to point the finger somewhere than feel bad. We only point fingers when discussing with people who employ double standards. We strongly condemn these crimes.


"This has been my observation and you cannot say an observation is false. An observation is an observation; it's raw datum, and datum by itself is not false, it's empirically true. Many others agree with me, such as this cartoonist."

What in the name of logic and common sense are you saying? What do you mean I can't say someone's observation isn't false?

Okay fine, Nabeel my observation is that you are an insincere person who is ignorant of Islam and thinks he is smart, while he really isn't. You are a fake and a phony who tries to portray himself as someone who follows evidence, but clearly you don't as you were clearly humiliated by Islam2009 and JeeIJoe in the previous threads.


This is my observation Nabeel. You can't say its wrong. You can't get offended. It's only an observation so just accept it as my observation. (yeah I know I sound ridiculous, you probably know how you appear to me now after that lost post of yours).

Regards,

Bassam

Sunil said...

Islam is not just a set of personal religious beliefs, but comes with a huge baggage of political ideology, religious army, armed Jihad, customs/practices that can be oppressive and violative of rights of many human beings, forced conversions, persecution of minorities etc. in the name of Islam. Much of it is done on very strong theological grounds and accepted/followed by a large number of Muslims as genuine Islamic teaching. The only way non-Muslims can deal with it (as affected party) is to highlight it so that well meaning Muslims can see the error in the religious teachings or at least take up the issues strongly among their fellow believers and bring about a reform process. This is directly related to the human rights of non-muslims and they are entitled to comment on them. That should not be taken as an offence.

Nabeel Qureshi said...

Bassam-

Far from it. Your observation is true since it is relative to you, just as my observation is true relative to me.

The statement: "Bassam observed Nabeel's interaction with Islam2009 and he thinks Nabeel lost." is true.

Similarly, "Nabeel and many other people observe Muslims' responses to atrocities, and they conclude that Muslims are moved in anger against non-Muslims far more than against Muslims" is also true.

I hope you now understand what I'm saying. Thanks,
Nabeel

P.S. You think I think I'm smart? Far from it. I have a lot to learn - I could, and will (inshallah) spend years learning about this stuff.

I do, however, feel like I am in a place to share with people what I've learned and what I see. Many people do not have the time to do the research, and I am blessed with the position and the drive to do so. So I research, I learn, and I share, both as a service to others and as worship to God. I appreciate your honesty in your assessment - I'll keep in mind that this is how Muslims see me.

May God bless your eyes and your heart.

Bassam said...

Nabeel, your playing word games.

If a man sees a mirage in the desert, while there really is no water, most people would say that his vision was false. Someone like you instead would say "No it was true, because he really did see it like that", but most people don't talk that way.

You know what I am trying to say, so let's avoid the word games.

- You say you observe X.

- I say X is not proven to be true and actually false when you observed X against me.

- So deal with the fact that I have shown that your observation of X is a false observation and don't play games and avoid the discussion by saying "But no, X is relatively true to me". Fine, its relatively true to you, but it is objectively false and that's all that matters. So deal with it.

Regards,

Bassam

salahuddin said...

Hi Mr David Wood (wherever you are),

A good friend of mine writing on your blog brought to my attention the ^^translation^^ of Kitab Al-Masahif by Mr Arthur Jeffery which you have been reading online and possibly have a copy of it in your good library. Not only that, you have apparently expressed your surprise as follows:

"How is it possible that neither of our Muslim friends are familiar with the fact that Arthur Jeffery translated the entire text of the Kitab al-Masahif all the way back in 1933, and that the entire text is available online in English translation (not to mention in any good library?” (http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2009/01/seven-ahruf-quranic-escape-clause.html)

You express this in such a confidence. The following therefore can be deduced:

Your own personal reading and research on this book has been very shallow, superficial and thereby have understandably misled yourself. Armed with such a superficial reading or misreading of an important book like this one in the subject of Koranic Mss etc., you are in a very weak position to argue with Moslems (or Christians) on the subject of the Koran.

And this deduction is based on a simple fact: Mr Jeffery did not translate Kitab Al-Masahif of Ibn Abi Dawud but rather edited it from the manuscript and included it in his well known work ‘Materials For The History Of The Text Of The Qur'an: The Old Codices’, in 1937, in its original Arabic language, UNTRANSLATED.

Sorry if I have written in the wrong sections of your blog, I was warned that you may not notice this in the right section of your blog. Once you and your respected readers have noticed this you may delete my humble comments from the wrong sections and just leave a copy in its relevant section.
Thanks and Regards

Salahuddin

Sunil said...

Nabeel,

>> when it comes to atrocities supported by Islam, they abandon even their own loving nature in order to defend their religion.
>> If I were an onlooker, and I have seen thousands of Muslims respond a certain way and no Muslims respond any other way, then it would be natural to assume that Muslims are generally homogenous in their reactions.

As things stand today, it is a fact that in the name of Islam, there are a large number of Muslims (and Muslim nations) that indulge in persecution of non-muslims, atrocities, rape, use violence at the drop of a hat, use of threats/force in religion, believe in armed Jihad to attack non-muslims into submission etc. There are strong Islamic theological foundations for such behavior large section of Muslims believe in those theological foundations. You are right that when the atrocities in the name of Islam are pointed out (and the sound theological grounds on which the deeds are based on), we see that even moderate Muslims react in an extremely defensive manner and point out how some non-Muslim thugs also do the same things etc. When pushed, they may agree that they do not support the atrocities, but there is no sting in the condemnation nor is there a passionate call for change in Islamic societies/countries. And not even a trace of any concern for the victims. This exact same phenomenon seen in the other Indian blogs that I participate.

All we can do is to continue to raise these issues and hope/pray that there are some well meaning Muslims out there (I am sure there are many) who can use their reason/conscience and can join in the efforts to bring about a change in hearts/minds.

Bryant said...

The rape and forced conversion of these women are tragic. I pray that God would deliver justice in this life for them. However, what is extremely perplexing for me though is the reaction from the Islamic community in Pakistan. I have to ask myself what would drive the Muslim community to protest the FATHER of the abused party. It is simply the inbred hatred that Islam has for any other belief system besides itself.

Bassam and others try to draw an analogy between what happened in Pakistan to rape in non Muslim countries. The problem is that prevalent rape in non Muslim countries are not done to convert anyone to anything. It is simply for sex. Moreover, I know of no Christian that would PROTEST and try to KILL the parents of the victim!

Even if you could find one example of a Christian raping a Muslim for the express purpose of conversion,
you would be extremely hard pressed to find an angry Christian mob demanding that the innocent father give up the newly converted kids to the Christian community.



On a completely different side note. I noticed that Europe and America are Christian lands when Muslims want it to be, or secular when it suits them as well. When they speak of the War in Iraq or other sins of the west it is Christianity's fault. However, when Christians speak of the peace and freedoms in the west, Muslims respond by saying that it is because the west is "secularized" and not because of Christianity. So which is it Muslims? Is the west secularized or is it Christian?

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gsan said...

Bassam,

The truth value of an observation does not need to be equal to the truth value of its content. For example, the obersvation/perception of a child being punished might be his parents don't love him, while in reality the parents punish him because they love him.

I think it is in this sense that Nabeel is saying his observation is true (although I am open to being corrected).

Ibn said...

Bassam:Not all Muslims respond emotionally and illogically as your mother has (with really no offense due to your mom. My mom's logical skills are no better) so please dont' try to make it appear as though this is the way Muslim apologists reply back.

I doubt Nabeel's mother actually said that. Allah said in the Quran that we should always verify whatever the fasiq relates to us, and this situation is no exception.

Sami Zaatari said...

Nabeel it seems you didnt understand, but im afraid we Muslims are not going to let you get away with the double standards, in point of fact we are following Jesus' advise in the Bible and reminding you of it, which is fix your own eye before the other.

offcourse what happened is wrong, however so its not the place of Christians to keep bringing up negative incidents in the Muslim world and then keep on trying to use this against Muslims, especially when in your own lands rape and all these atrocities are happening none stop, so in other words, how about you guys fix your own streets and then come to us Muslims and complain, thats what were saying.

Sami Zaatari said...

And i repeat my question, how many women have been raped and sexually abused in the west since the posting of Wood's article? heck how many since the posting of this article!

in the words of Jesus:

1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. (matthew 7:1-5)

Sunil said...

>> offcourse what happened is wrong, however so its not the place of Christians to keep bringing up negative incidents in the Muslim world and then keep on trying to use this against Muslims, especially when in your own lands rape and all these atrocities are happening none stop, so in other words, how about you guys fix your own streets and then come to us Muslims and complain, thats what were saying.


If such things like forced conversions, rape etc are done by people who claim to be part of the church or do it under the banner of the church or in the name of Christ, they are sure to be severely castigated, condemned. They will be asked to repent, seek forgiveness from those they victimized and offer themselves to the law. If they do not relent they will be rejected by the church as community of believers and the Christian leaders/church will own responsibility, apologize to the victims and do what they can to help the victims. If it part of a larger pattern of oppression of minority Muslims etc, all measures will be taken to condemn, correct and apologize for the violation of human rights. If the people doing are outside the church (including if they are Muslims from anywhere in the world as in this case), Christians will condemn the acts, encourage the Muslim community (if done in the name of Islam) to speak up against the atrocities, and try to bring them to Christ so that the forgiveness/regeneration that Christ brings will prevent them from such actions and turn them into loving good human beings.

Please remember that it is not just about an "argument" or a “debate” etc. There are real human beings who are facing the suffering/persecution in the name of Islam and the kind of behavior by the Muslim community at large. And the persecution of minorities is not isolated incidents but a major pattern across the Muslim societies/world. The purpose is not just to point fingers, but also to speak to the conscience of the people and bring about the required change (of heart and mind and yes, even faith).

David Wood said...

SAMI SAID: "And i repeat my question, how many women have been raped and sexually abused in the west since the posting of Wood's article? heck how many since the posting of this article!"

And I repeat my answer: If these rapes were committed by dedicated Christians following Jesus' teachings in order to convert people, I would think that Christianity has a problem. But that's not what's happening. People who couldn't care less about Jesus' teachings are raping people for sexual pleasure and will be judged for it.

Is it the same for the rapists in the article I posted? Not at all. There's a strong tradition of rape in Islam, and these Muslims are raping in an effort to intimidate Christians into embracing Islam.

I don't get it. When atrocities are committed in the name of Christianity, I'm horrified. It never occurs to me to point a finger at anyone else. Instead, I'm filled with rage at people who misrepresent the teachings of Jesus. But whenever atrocities are committed in the name of Islam, practically every Muslim I know tries to divert attention away from these atrocities and to point fingers at other people. This is horrifying.

Sami Zaatari said...

David, countless of Muslims have been raped by people who profess to be Christians, from Somalia to Iraq to Checnya and the list can go on.

number two, i disagree with you, these Muslims are not following Islam's teaching because there is no Islamic teaching that stipulates rape, you failed to show this in both of our Islam-related debates.

number three the fact remains, rape is rape, if you are truly concerned about rape, then fix the situation in your own sphere first, then start worrying about the Muslims, and the fact remains that countless of women have been raped today in the west, are you going to tell me thats not as a big deal because these people are not doing it for a cause, but rather just doing it as bad people? they are both equally wrong, and hence if you truly cared for rape you would follow Jesus' teaching and fix the terrible situation in the west, your own people, and once you fix it, then you can go try and fix the Muslims.

the fact is this, you constnatly bring these issues up not to simply show how bad the world is, no, rather you are specifically bringing these incidents up to use against the Muslims and Islam, so its only logical that we Muslims reply back by saying wait hold up a second! your trying to use these incidents against our religion and our people, yet the same thing is being done by your people, so whats up with that?! see thats the point where coming from, your using these incidents AGAINST ISLAM to try and show its bad, yet the same happens for you, so were saying thats not logical at all and makes no sense! and on top of that we refute your assertion, so not only do we say wait a minute, the same happens in your society, we also go on to refute your attempts at trying to link this to Islam.

Nakdimon said...

Sami: “see thats the point where coming from, your using these incidents AGAINST ISLAM to try and show its bad, yet the same happens for you, so were saying thats not logical at all and makes no sense!”

Why, then, do we only see you get outraged when non-Muslims mention these things, but when Muslims blow up other Muslims and non-Muslims just for the sake of killing as much as they can, and distribute videos where they openly claim that they do what they do because of their religious duty, then we don’t see any outrage from any Muslim except from those whose lives have personally been effected by those events.

I think that you would do a much better job if you would call all those who commit these atrocities in the name of your religion to account. It is THEM that use their actions against Islam. NOT the ones that point other people to those actions that are committed by Muslims in the name of their faith. If there was ever a time that you should feel offended by anyone, you should be offended by the people who supposedly hijack your faith. You guys are like the man that suffers from the various diseases that he catches all the time and acts as if nothing is wrong with his health. But as soon as the doctor sees those symptoms and draws the obvious conclusion, you get outraged and are offended by the doctor for pointing out what is wrong with your health.

As things stand now, you guys are more concerned with the conclusion then with the diseases that are part of your religion that make us come to those conclusions.

I suggest that you guys, especially Bassam, go to tell those guys that commit these atrocities in the name of your religion that the sources they use to religiously justify their actions are all “weak narrations” and that they shouldn’t trust them.

Andy said...

YES THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!I AGREE WITH YOU ALL THE WAY! Nabeel is absolutely correct! Bassam your so stupid!

imrandma said...

Why is it that most Muslims replying to this blog fail to comprehend the most simple of arguments? Again and again they embarrassingly expound the same old trite not bothering or intentionally not wanting to understand another persons opposing convictions? Its a very strange phenomenon for me to observe who believes rational and logic should be paramount in any debate.

First of, the amount of rape in the West in comparison to Muslim countries is low. In Pakistan alone the treatment of women who have suffered rape by the police is degrading and insensitive not to mention the law providing very little in the way of support or counselling to the rape victim.

In addition society condemns the women who has suffered this horrific crime as having being promiscous and inviting this tragedy to be visited upon her by having herself done something to arouse the preptratators interest.

Family too can shun the rape victim having the felt the victim will now bring dishonour to the family.

In police custody women can again suffer rape simply because they believe the common perception that she must be a "loose woman" in the first place that invited this sort of treatment.

Convictions for rape in muslim countries are rare with most woman choosing to hide their "shame." And all this is reinforced by Islam's degrading philosophy towards women as subordinate beings. Even if the case reaches court, and a conviction is not secured, then the rape victim herself is charged with Zina (sex outside marriage) and sufficient punishment meted out to her. Now the victim suffers many times over. Its not surprising that so many women end up with psychological problems.

If Islam is not to blame with its reinforcing prejudices against women then why is it the case with Muslim countries that convictions for these sort of crimes so low? In the above example I have used Pakistan as an example but many Muslim countries are no different. Contrast the West with its treatment of rape victims and you see glaring opposing differences in attitude and justice.

The West with its laws and progressive policies is now so morally and ethically advanced that muslim countries seem to still be embedded in the medieval mind philosophy straddling all disciplines. (Please bear in mind I said now, the present, not the past) The rebuttal of arguments that Muslims engage is testimony to this since it only requires the mental capacity of a 12 year old. To engage with a Muslim in a debate is to engage in all the half baked truths in the world and any manipulation of a situation where they are always the victim; the notion of accountability is as alien to them as the earth circling the sun. The "other" is always to blame.

Jr. said...

How cute to see two or three pseudo-intellectuals "debate" using third grade logic.

Debate this:

http://www.truthtube.tv/play.php?vid=1987

why do you want to know? said...

well i dont know if you guys have ever seen what the muslim extrimists have done to the marines in afghanistan but i have it is just grusome and dispicable.
and this "muslims against crusades" chanted "british soldiers go to hell" at a funeral service for dead soldiers on rememberance day! christians and other non muslims have been MURDERED at the hands of these muslims that would rather kill than say the religion is wrong it's barbaric. i have actually reseached islam, i have read the quran (it conrtidicts its self alot) for research, i knew alot of world history when i was 13! and i must say for modern culture islam is very uncivillized and barbaric. raping is horrible! I heard about a nurse who was raped and killed by muslim extremists in afghanistan from wounded warriors. Then marines are booed and murdered at home by muslim terrorists let into our countries who try to change EVERYTHING about us. Don't believe me? read up on "islam emirate project" it is completely prejudical against non-muslims. So justify it anyway you want point fingers blame the christian "bastards" as i get called by muslims and go on your way.
P.s the comic you posted is very correct in fact not only do the muslims not care when carbomings happend they cheered in the streets of pakistan after 9/11...

why do you want to know? said...

did i forget to mention that muslims treat their women like trash and control them?
cant get an education
cant show their faces
rape them ALOT
how is that possibly ok?

Bjornke said...

This may be a rather late response to this blog post, but I must speak my words. I have met Marines, Soldiers, and Navy Corpsmen who come back from Iraq and Afghanistan who have told me first hand that what is said in this article is true. Part of there job is to patrol the villages and check on the families that live there. Ask them if they need any food, or water, or if they have connections to the Taliban or any other Terrorist Organization. Countless times they have had to arrest and detain people because they were caught beating there wives, there children, each other over small things such as not putting there sandals away. Second to this, I met a Marine when I was at a World War 2 airshow who was held captive for 3 weeks. They brutally tortured him. He didn't tell me what they did to him, only that he was held captive, but I could see it, the scars on his face, he was clearly burned all over his arms and face. To the fellow Muslims on this blog, do not tell me some of your own are not guilty for torture, because they ARE, I have seen it first hand. I am not going to claim Christians are guiltless because there are times in which we have tortured as well. However few incidences or torture are happening this moment by the hands of Christians, yet there are dozens of American Soldiers being held captive this very minute, and are being brutally tortured.

arunmaheshwari said...

It is very unusual for a Muslim to speak up against his own people. May be one in hudred does. So I applaud Nabeel. The behavior of Muslim is based on the teachings in Quran, the bahavior of Muhammad, and the behavior of his followers for 1400 years. All three are full of hatred, violence, heartless cruelty, obessession with non muslims, sexual perversion, etc. etc. To accept this would mean you cannot consider Islam an acceptable religion, a big step to reject one's religion for somebody brought up in Islam and surrounded by Islam. There is also the danger that Muslim kill those Muslims who have given up Islam. So the best course is to put your head in the sand and bray.

WoundedEgo said...

I was a Christian but am now not religious.

But I do want to point out something that should be obvious:

* Jesus did not participate in or support "holy war" or any violence. He inspired Gandhi who in turn inspired Dr. Martin Luther King Jr and Mandela.

* the Muslim "profit" taught, as a fundamental of his religion, participation in his gang of thugs that went around marauding, looting, murdering, raping, pedophilia, etc.

Now it appears that, as Nabeel suggested, Muslims today distance themselves from those suras and those hadeeths and those facts of Muslim history that are horrific and embrace those parts that appeal to their good natures.

But when a person commits horrible things in the name of Jesus it is simply an aberration while when one commits horrible things in the name of Islam it is closer to the acts and teachings of the "prophet".

I am disturbed by the way the religious right in the US is fighting health care for the poor and elderly in the US and sheltering the rich from taxation, pollution limitations and responsibility. This is not because of Jesus.

I am also disturbed by Islamic violence in the world today but I can't describe it as being contrary to anything the "prophet" did or stood for.

Religion is based on dogma and dogma, like ideologies, are dangerous even when they are in themselves benign because there is always some evil man who will use it to perpetrate and promote hatred and heinous acts.

Hopefully, gradually the internet will continue to bring us all out of ignorance and closed societies into a mature understanding of how to achieve a more perfect world.

Louis Martinez said...

Sorry but just about everywhere in the world the Muslims have infiltrated and tried hostile take overs. Egypt,Europe,Syria,Israel,Bosnia,Africa,India etc. etc. etc. Why you guys become so violent when addressed with the Truth? It seems that is in your nature to divide and conquer.To enforce your believes on others by trying to change and alter their way of thinking,living etc. Locking Christians up for carrying Bibles and preaching the word of God?Please to another dog with that bone. The world already knows how you guys roll.Can't hide the truth for everything comes out to the light. What is you problem with Christians?